Big Bad Bob Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 Barnes got to the ball well before Matic. The only bad part of his movements was to leave his foot in the air. Matic got there so late that you couldn't even call it a tackle. I think if you look at the video Barnes was leaning back slightly when he cleared/passed the ball so that may be the reason why his leg was "hanging". He certainly, never once, looked at Matic.
doddisalegend Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 I disagree. I think he should be able to retaliate to horror tackles like that. know I now you're on a wind up ......players should be able to act like dicks if they don't like a tackle they were subjected to:lol:
Bearsy Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 know I now you're on a wind up ......players should be able to act like dicks if they don't like a tackle they were subjected to:lol: I wouldn't be sending bro off for that, it was just a shove! Shoves happen all the time! I would have give him a yellow card for Handbags.
doddisalegend Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 I wouldn't be sending bro off for that, it was just a shove! Shoves happen all the time! I would have give him a yellow card for Handbags. To right Mr Frie....Bearsy. Personally I think this sort of thing should be allowed to if a player doesn't like a refs decision they should be allowed to give the ref a bit of a shove. In fact we could just get rid of refs and let the players sort out disagreements like real men.
Village Saint Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 FWIW I've just watched the "tackle" again and I wonder why people are saying it was a horror tackle. Barnes was practically stationary, Matic was the one that came in from the side out of control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SOD9SQ6XL0 As the video clearly shows Barnes committed no offence. He was not tackling anyone just playing the ball and indeed it was Matic who instigated the whole problem with a wild challenge from the side.
Dangermouth Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 Just seen that. Would increase Matic's ban to 10 games for excessive over-reaction. Barnes just lost the ball and lunged for it, doubt he even knew about anything else.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 know I now you're on a wind up ......players should be able to act like dicks if they don't like a tackle they were subjected to:lol: I think there should be mitigation as to what happened. Fair enough if he punched someone, but he only pushed him over. Should have been a yellow imo. No windup here. You're the kind of person who would have booked Bille Sharp for lifting his shirt when his kid died. Refs should look at the situation and judge what has happened.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 I wouldn't be sending bro off for that, it was just a shove! Shoves happen all the time! I would have give him a yellow card for Handbags. Agree with Brian.
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 I think there should be mitigation as to what happened. Fair enough if he punched someone, but he only pushed him over. Should have been a yellow imo. No windup here. You're the kind of person who would have booked Bille Sharp for lifting his shirt when his kid died. Refs should look at the situation and judge what has happened. No, there's no argument about this. A shove like that is violent conduct and is a straight red card.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 No, there's no argument about this. A shove like that is violent conduct and is a straight red card. Of course there's an argument, as I think it's wrong. Refs get blamed for not using common sense, this is one of those situations imo. If Barnes had spat in his face, I would also say the same applies.
trousers Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 As the video clearly shows Barnes committed no offence. He was not tackling anyone just playing the ball and indeed it was Matic who instigated the whole problem with a wild challenge from the side. This. The initial wide angle view on that footage highlights this best because the close-ups don't show the context of what happened. It's simple....Barnes gets the ball in space and then tries to pass it to his team mate up ahead of him. As he goes to pass the ball Matic steams in and plants his leg where Barnes' natural follow through ends up. Nothing to see here...
Dig Dig Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 I wouldn't be sending bro off for that, it was just a shove! Shoves happen all the time! I would have give him a yellow card for Handbags. Maybe this should be the case, as long as the shove is above the waist and below the neck, should prob be a yellow. However, if at the moment it's seen as violent conduct and a red card is a 3 match ban, they should stick to that and not reduce to 2 matches such because Jose went on Goal on Sunday and spent the morning being Peter Reid. Otherwise, it looks like they make stuff up as a they go along....
Bearsy Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 Not me, I like it when it kicks off! I want to see bros pushing & shoving & getting in each others face. I wouldn't send bro off for anything less than a full punch, and only then if he makes a really good connection
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 Of course there's an argument, as I think it's wrong. Refs get blamed for not using common sense, this is one of those situations imo. If Barnes had spat in his face, I would also say the same applies. No, according to all the guidelines and instructions that would be classed as violent conduct, whatever you might think it should be.
sadoldgit Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 (edited) You cant race after someone and push them over and the sending off was correct. Having said that, after watching the vid dozens of times I think Barnes knows what he is doing and makes sure he connects with Matic. He has a glance and sees where he is and does him. Should have been sent off too IMO. Clearly follows through. Edited 25 February, 2015 by sadoldgit
shurlock Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 (edited) Maybe this should be the case, as long as the shove is above the waist and below the neck, should prob be a yellow. However, if at the moment it's seen as violent conduct and a red card is a 3 match ban, they should stick to that and not reduce to 2 matches such because Jose went on Goal on Sunday and spent the morning being Peter Reid. Otherwise, it looks like they make stuff up as a they go along.... Exactly and if any changes are made, they should be announced prospectively, not retroactively and because Ben Shephard crapped his pants and the GoS sofa. Edited 25 February, 2015 by shurlock
Picard Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 The reasoning of the FA is as follows Roger Burden, Chairman of the Regulatory Commission, said: “In reaching this decision the members of the Regulatory Commission rejected the mitigation advanced by Nemanja Matic in respect of the provocation and tackle he received which led to his act of violent conduct. "The violent response of Mr. Matic to the nature of the tackle cannot be condoned and does not vindicate his subsequent actions. The members of the Commission did, however, accept the mitigation in respect of the level of force used by Mr. Matic and the nature of the contact he made with Mr. Barnes of Burnley FC. "Having made those considerations we determined that the standard punishment of a three-match suspension would be clearly excessive and, therefore, ordered that the suspension be reduced to two matches.” Read more at http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2015/feb/nemanja-matic-chelsea-burnley-red-card-suspension-reduced-two-matches#hbTf2cEHwuDgPK5j.99 This would seem to set a precedent that any red card for a push can have the three match ban reduced.
shurlock Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 The reasoning of the FA is as follows This would seem to set a precedent that any red card for a push can have the three match ban reduced. Its an unedifying mess; all while the FA persists with perverse and arbitrary distinctions such as whether or not the ref saw an incident as a basis for reviewing appalling decisions.
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 Its an unedifying mess; all while the FA persists with perverse and arbitrary distinctions such as whether or not the ref saw an incident as a basis for reviewing appalling decisions. And undermines the authority of the referee, especially when they overturn decisions like Adrian's.
Dark Munster Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 I wouldn't be sending bro off for that, it was just a shove! Shoves happen all the time! I would have give him a yellow card for Handbags. It was a big handbag though.
Deano6 Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 The reasoning of the FA is as follows This would seem to set a precedent that any red card for a push can have the three match ban reduced. ...to 2 games. It's still a massive deterrent, for quite a lowly sin.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 (edited) No, according to all the guidelines and instructions that would be classed as violent conduct, whatever you might think it should be. But I am saying the guidelines are incorrect. The same as Billy Sharp removing his shirt to show a message to his dead son. I don't think you understand that this is my opinion and at no time I have stated as fact that this is the guidelines currently available to referees. Edited 25 February, 2015 by Unbelievable Jeff
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 And undermines the authority of the referee, especially when they overturn decisions like Adrian's. The same refs that didn't give Saints a stonewall penalty at the weekend?
DaveyR Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 I watched my sons U15 match Sunday morning and bemoaned (under my breath) the poor refereeing only to be flabbergasted by incompetence by a "premier league standard" ref later in the day
BlagdonSaint Posted 25 February, 2015 Posted 25 February, 2015 Before the Liverpool game there were comments going around about Saints being refereed out of the CL places - where? I am intrigued to know because I genuinely feel that this is the case. The Matic reduction also stinks.
SarniaSaint Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 The only mitigating thing I can say about Mignolet us that perhaps Friend considered the handball 'accidental'. The Assistant on the line may well have seen it clearly but considering their relative positions his only input would have been to confirm that the incident took place outside the area. If Friend doesn't consider it a handball then the Assistant's input is irrelevant. Both arms raised ..........how can that be accidental......he intentionally handled the ball outside the area. Imagine if that was Forster............would have been sent off. But Scuddy got the result that he wanted.
St Jim Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 I don't see the issue with the tackle (if at all it can be called a tackle, more of a pass with a follow through) Barnes was the one in possession and he had played the ball. The ball was not Matic's at any point and so I don't see how this can be spoken of as a tackle. OK he followed through but he body was moving forward so there would be momentum and Matic plants his leg in an unfortunate position. I've seen players follow through on a pass many times before and I certianly don't think any of us can be sure of Barnes' intent. IMO it's just an unlucky event. The media are all making a meal of it and unfortunatley I think it's swaying people's opinion.
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Both arms raised ..........how can that be accidental......he intentionally handled the ball outside the area. Imagine if that was Forster............would have been sent off. But Scuddy got the result that he wanted. He didn't handle the ball deliberately, it bounced off his chest and hit his hand, but he could have reasonably expected that this might happen when he ran out to the edge of his area in an attempt to block the ball. Inside his area this is fine, outside it isn't, but from what I remember it hit his chest on the edge of the area and then hit his hand outside. I would have given it, others wouldn't.
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 But I am saying the guidelines are incorrect. The same as Billy Sharp removing his shirt to show a message to his dead son. I don't think you understand that this is my opinion and at no time I have stated as fact that this is the guidelines currently available to referees. That's fair enough. The trouble is that we need more consistency, not less.
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 No, there's no argument about this. A shove like that is violent conduct and is a straight red card. absolutely ! ..and I don't have to be a ref. to agree with that...disgusting behaviour.
dsr-burnley Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Clearly this follow-through thing is a serious problem at Burnley. Watch this video of Adrian Heath (former Burnley manager) doing a side foot pass. The young lad he was passing to must have been terrified!
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Clearly this follow-through thing is a serious problem at Burnley. Watch this video of Adrian Heath (former Burnley manager) doing a side foot pass. The young lad he was passing to must have been terrified! Alehouse football
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Clearly this follow-through thing is a serious problem at Burnley. Watch this video of Adrian Heath (former Burnley manager) doing a side foot pass. The young lad he was passing to must have been terrified! Is he feeding a small rodent in his pocket? He can't leave it alone.
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