The word 'mong'

[shurlock]

I have raised this point before but I am British and am not bothered if someone calls me a Brit. I don't get how a Pakistan can be offended by being called a Paki but apparently they are - so be it.

 

 

Not satisfied with the answer you've got yet?

Edited 24 February, 2015 by shurlock

[angelman]

I do find it interesting that those who see nothing wrong with these type of words are the ones without a disabled child/friend/etc, and the one's who do see something wrong with it have a disabled child/friend/etc. A generalisation of course, but telling none the less.

[TUS]

Whilst this thread has been interesting ... I'm off down the pub to get mongfaced.

[Turkish]

If you have an issue with it, I'm afraid you'll have to take it up with Steve, as I can't do anything about that.

 

It doesn't mean that 'mong' is acceptable though.

 

Were you acting on directive from Steve when you infracted me for 'stamping on people's dreams'?

 

As has been proven and I told you at the time it is not what you think it is. I await removal of my infraction points.

Edited 24 February, 2015 by Turkish

[Turkish]

I do find it interesting that those who see nothing wrong with these type of words are the ones without a disabled child/friend/etc, and the one's who do see something wrong with it have a disabled child/friend/etc. A generalisation of course, but telling none the less.

 

How so you know that is the case?

[Batman]

If you have an issue with it, I'm afraid you'll have to take it up with Steve, as I can't do anything about that.

 

It doesn't mean that 'mong' is acceptable though.

 

it must be acceptable as it is not **** out

[Turkish]

Perhaps something that needs to be taken into consideration is the evolution of language – words, their meaning, connotation, implication and usage are constantly changing. For instance, these days, there are very few people who would not be offended if a government official referred to them as an 'idiot', 'imbecile',' lunatic', or 'feeble-minded' person – yet, little over a hundred years ago, these were the exact words used on UK government census forms to describe a person's mental abilities.

 

If you called someone an Imbecile on here it'd be fine, if you called someone a Mong you'd get a 4 point infraction despite it meaning exactly the same thing.

[Turkish]

How about Ironmonger?

 

Is the question what you call a stupid west ham fan?

[Batman]

If you called someone an Imbecile on here it'd be fine, if you called someone a Mong you'd get a 4 point infraction despite it meaning exactly the same thing.

 

why isnt imbecile offensive?

[Turkish]

why isnt imbecile offensive?

 

Ask the mods, seen it used loads of times on here but seems okay.

[Batman]

Ask the mods, seen it used loads of times on here but seems okay.

 

Skate is offensive to some from Portsmouth

Ban that too

[View From The Top]

Just asked my Mrs and kids what they think mong means.

 

Mrs says Mong, short for Mongol as in downs.

 

Son says mong is the same as 'tard meaning someone really thick.

 

Daughters say mong means "special" as in SEN.

 

For me it's always meant someone doing something utterly stupid.

[Jimmy_D]

Perhaps something that needs to be taken into consideration is the evolution of language – words, their meaning, connotation, implication and usage are constantly changing. For instance, these days, there are very few people who would not be offended if a government official referred to them as an 'idiot', 'imbecile',' lunatic', or 'feeble-minded' person – yet, little over a hundred years ago, these were the exact words used on UK government census forms to describe a person's mental abilities.

 

Aye, BBC have seen the exact same thing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/page/guidance-language-full#Changing%20Language:%20Use%20and%20Acceptability

[angelman]

How so you know that is the case?

 

You can usually tell from the level of ignorance on display.

[Turkish]

You can usually tell from the level of ignorance on display.

 

So you don't know then, why didn't you just say that?

[Turkish]

Id like to point out since I got a 4 point infraction for using the word mongboard that word has appeared in 16 other threads on this stupid/foolish personboard. Presumably the persons who said his word also received the same level of infraction? I can't get a reply from the mod in question on this subject other than one flippant and arrogant reply so post here if you've been infracted for using it.

[CB Saint]

Sucks to be you.

[hypochondriac]

Stop being such a Mong Turkish.

[Jonnyboy]

Imagine the meltdown if Turks found out that black Mongoloids were wearing jesters hats at St Mary's.

[whelk]

Good. Only stupid cnts say that word

[Turkish]

Just asking for consistency. Either it's infractable or it isn't. Don't see the problem with that.

[Verbal]

Just asking for consistency. Either it's infractable or it isn't. Don't see the problem with that.

 

Who gives a **** whether it's infractable or not? The issue is not that the word is infractable but rather that those who use it are contemptible.

[Turkish]

Who gives a **** whether it's infractable or not? The issue is not that the word is infractable but rather that those who use it are contemptible.

 

That depends on the context it's used in. It's Also relevant if it's infractable or not because as I said in my previous post, it's Appeared on 16 threads since I was infracted for using it. The mods consider it to be as serious as a racist comment, I'm pretty sure if there had been 16 racist comments on this forum in the last 6 weeks then the mods would have taken action. Either it's infractable or it isn't. You can't pick and chose who you Infract for the same 'offence'

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Hate the word...If you don't want to be infracted don't use it Turkish. And report others who do!

[Turkish]

Hate the word...If you don't want to be infraction don't use it Turkish. And report others who do!

 

As I said on this thread Jeff, one definition of the word is 'a foolish or stupid person' so used in that context it's not offensive is it. It's not me who gave that definition but a Dictionary. As Shurlock has pointed out if you call this forum a Mongboard you're also Calling yourself stupid. People in a rush to be offended don't actually look at what the true meaning is.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

As I said on this thread Jeff, one definition of the word is 'a foolish or stupid person' so used in that context it's not offensive is it. It's not me who gave that definition but a Dictionary. As Shurlock has pointed out if you call this forum a Mongboard you're also Calling yourself stupid. People in a rush to be offended don't actually look at what the true meaning is.

 

I think the problem is that context is difficult to convey on a board as we all have our own way of interpreting what is written - it's easier to convey context in real life.

 

In relation to your use of it, I know that your use of it is more of a ****take than anything else, and as such isn't meant in that way.

 

However, I still hate the word and its connotations.

[Goatboy]

I'm with you Turks. Think there should be some consistency. I also think banning words is a ridiculous concept.

But then I am a bit of a dinlo.

[Turkish]

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mong

 

People should do their research before being offended.

Edited 1 April, 2015 by Turkish

[Goatboy]

The thing is if you were yelling 'mong' at a group of downs syndrome kids then obviously the word is being used in an offensive manner. Despicable.

But come on. We can all see that Turks is using 'mong' or 'mongboard' in the same way as people use spaz, spastic, retard, tard, f*ckwit, joey, scopey, der, dinlo, moron, freak, merrick etc etc

Shall we be outraged when someone uses c*nt, tw*t, f*ck, w*nk, c*ck?

Would you rather be a bit of a mong or a useless f*cking c*nt?

If the word is so offensive, add it to the swear filter. Simple.

[Turkish]

The thing is if you were yelling 'mong' at a group of downs syndrome kids then obviously the word is being used in an offensive manner. Despicable.

But come on. We can all see that Turks is using 'mong' or 'mongboard' in the same way as people use spaz, spastic, retard, tard, f*ckwit, joey, scopey, der, dinlo, moron, freak, merrick etc etc

Shall we be outraged when someone uses c*nt, tw*t, f*ck, w*nk, c*ck?

Would you rather be a bit of a mong or a useless f*cking c*nt?

If the word is so offensive, add it to the swear filter. Simple.

 

Spot on.

[Turkish]

So are we to assume no other infractions have been issued for use of the word Mong or mongboard on this stupid/foolish personboard?

[hypochondriac]

So are we to assume no other infractions have been issued for use of the word Mong or mongboard on this stupid/foolish personboard?

 

Maybe other people just kept them secret?

[TheCholulaKid]

82 posts on this thread. 28 of which have 'this message is hidden because....is on your ignore list.'

 

Seems like I made the right decision.

[hypochondriac]

82 posts on this thread. 28 of which have 'this message is hidden because....is on your ignore list.'

 

Seems like I made the right decision.

 

I hope I'm one.

[TheCholulaKid]

I hope I'm one.

 

Strange

[Turkish]

82 posts on this thread. 28 of which have 'this message is hidden because....is on your ignore list.'

 

Seems like I made the right decision.

 

Nothing puts the stupid/foolish person Into stupid/foolish personboard quite like someone who brags about their ignore list.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Thought you'd have learnt to stop hatein on the screws by no Turks. Any more time in solitary (UI) and you'll be eatin bugs like Papillon pal.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Now god dam you non editing register now, not no. ffs Grant, this your way of getting a fiver off me? Stop me from mugging off Turks properly? God dam you to hell.

[hypochondriac]

Strange

 

Not as strange as putting someone on ignore and then discussing it...

[NickG]

I've got a life.

 

I've also got a kid who is a mong/retard or whatever the current way people like to describe things is.

 

I've also got a lot more worries on my plate than if someone rather flippantly uses the term mong/tard/retard etc. However, it is symptomatic of the problems disabled people have to face. A small part, but maybe if we didn't think it OK to go around calling people mongs, this sort of thing - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960279/Caught-CCTV-Moment-autistic-teenager-beaten-stoned-yobs-unprovoked-attack-one-solo-trips-town.html - might not happen.

 

I guess some take it differently. Certainly the Spastics Society felt they had to change their name (to Scope) due to spastic becoming such a common insult.

 

Aye, BBC have seen the exact same thing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/page/guidance-language-full#Changing%20Language:%20Use%20and%20Acceptability

 

Turkish,

I'm sure you are intelligent enough to balance your previous research and any pleasure you gain from using the word "mong" against angelman's personal experience and this explanation from the BBC and come to a sensible conclusion.

 

This insult clearly does have a history linked with putting down those with disabilities. You maybe genuine when saying you weren't aware of that, fair enough, but be big enough to accept some see it as insulting to a particular part of our community, respect them and give it up.

 

If it genuinely is just a mild insult there are million of others you can use which don't have the same history and wont be seen as an immature insult to disabilities

[TheCholulaKid]

Turkish, I'm sure you are intelligent

 

I think we all know the answer to that.

[simo]

It's been proved we can say anything with the whole Charlie hebdo affair! Je suis Charlie = I can say what I what no matter who I offend!

[Turkish]

I think we all know the answer to that.

 

you just can't help yourself can you. You were boasting the other day about how many people on your ignore list are posting on a thread now you're yet again talking about one of them. In fact a quick look at your post history shows 4 of your last 12 posts have been about me, someone you claim to have on ignore

[Verbal]

So where do you draw the line, Turkish? Is this like your attitude to race, in that you reserve the right to abuse the disabled but want to be absolved from being called a bigot? What words are off the table? None? Is the company you keep thick with the words 'Paki', 'n**ger', 'ting tong', 'mong', spazz'? And would you in an ideal world just love to use all those words and more on here to abuse whomever you like - without so much as a single one of those infractions you rather hilariously recoil from in such a thin-skinned way?

 

I feel sorry for you. In your world everyone targeted by you should adopt the 'sticks and stones', but you, you precious one, should be exempt from one of those nasty, painful, upsetting infractions. I do hope you find a life.

[CB Fry]

It's been proved we can say anything with the whole Charlie hebdo affair! Je suis Charlie = I can say what I what no matter who I offend!

You are a bread-dead dribbling pig sh it thick cretin with a button mushroom di ck and ball sack the size of a Californian raisin. And your mum is a bukkake loving septic whore who looks like Cyril Smith.

 

#jesuischarlie

[Turkish]

Turkish,

I'm sure you are intelligent enough to balance your previous research and any pleasure you gain from using the word "mong" against angelman's personal experience and this explanation from the BBC and come to a sensible conclusion.

 

This insult clearly does have a history linked with putting down those with disabilities. You maybe genuine when saying you weren't aware of that, fair enough, but be big enough to accept some see it as insulting to a particular part of our community, respect them and give it up.

 

If it genuinely is just a mild insult there are million of others you can use which don't have the same history and wont be seen as an immature insult to disabilities

 

Nicholas as a father myself I have a huge amount of empathy for Angelmans situation. However as I have proven using a dictionary there are two means for the word, in the context I was using I was not calling anyone with Down's syndrome that word, if I had been then people would have a point. I was calling people who make stupid posts on a football forum slang for a a stupid person.

 

Yet again people are in a rush to be offended and taking the moral high ground, being offended for others. If it's such an offensive word then why haven't they filtered it out? Why has it been used 16 times on other threads since I was infracted for it and not a single other person who used it been infracted? Why does this very forum have an emoticon for 'spaz' which I am also told carries offensive connotations, is that not also offensive to the disabled, or is that word perfectly acceptable?

Edited 6 April, 2015 by Turkish

[Turkish]

So where do you draw the line, Turkish? Is this like your attitude to race, in that you reserve the right to abuse the disabled but want to be absolved from being called a bigot? What words are off the table? None? Is the company you keep thick with the words 'Paki', 'n**ger', 'ting tong', 'mong', spazz'? And would you in an ideal world just love to use all those words and more on here to abuse whomever you like - without so much as a single one of those infractions you rather hilariously recoil from in such a thin-skinned way?

 

I feel sorry for you. In your world everyone targeted by you should adopt the 'sticks and stones', but you, you precious one, should be exempt from one of those nasty, painful, upsetting infractions. I do hope you find a life.

 

Who has abused the disabled?

 

I've proven the word has two meanings and is acceptable in the context I use it in. as I said above if I had called a person with Down's syndrome a mong (I wouldnt) then people would have a point. As for the rest of your post, completely made up nonsense as usual.

Edited 6 April, 2015 by Turkish

[Batman]

 

that face is called 'spaz'.....never knew that

[simo]

"Hold me back I'm bout to "

[Turkish]

 

that face is called 'spaz'.....never knew that

 

That's ones fine Brett, because people only use it as an insult on here for a stupid or clumsy person, not its other definiton as that would be offensive.