nta786 Posted 24 February, 2015 Share Posted 24 February, 2015 (edited) ---------------------Forster------------------- ----------Toby---Fonte---Yoshida------------- Clyne---------------------------------Bertrand -------------Morgan--------Wanyama---------- -----------------------Tadic---------------------- -----------------Mane--------Pelle-------------- This would be my team- Yoshi has been excellent, doesn't need to be dropped IMO, and Tadic, Mane and Pelle is what worked well at the start of the season for us. Bench: Davis, Gardos, Targett, JWP, Elia, Davis, Long Only shame is Reed doesn't make squad and Djuricic! :/ Unless we get rid of Targett to make way for one of them. Edited 24 February, 2015 by nta786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 24 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 24 February, 2015 If they were all in form the 1st 11 you've suggested would be awesome nta. Phil has to be on the bench as we need to see what he's got so would swop for either Jim or Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 24 February, 2015 Share Posted 24 February, 2015 Looks good.I would put Long in for Pelle. Agree... We cannot continue with Pelle any longer...... Great teams don't play with big static target men... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 24 February, 2015 Share Posted 24 February, 2015 Forster Fonte Alderweireld Yoshida Clyne Wanyama Morgan Bertrand Djuricic Mane Long Decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 24 February, 2015 Share Posted 24 February, 2015 I see from the Match Schedules that we have Phil Dowd as Ref on Saturday.He's based in Stoke and also figures in the West Midlands FA. Can we hope that he's going to go by the rules rather than (as someone recently said) Ref us out of the top four? PS. Google Kevin Friend and look at the 'criticisms' it certainly ain't just us who have suffered from his incompetence. PPS. Brendan Rogers is the biggest 'clagtail' in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 24 February, 2015 Share Posted 24 February, 2015 N---------------------Forster------------------- ----------Toby---Fonte---Yoshida------------- Clyne---------------------------------Bertrand -------------Morgan--------Wanyama---------- -----------------------Tadic---------------------- -----------------Mane--------Pelle-------------- This would be my team- Yoshi has been excellent, doesn't need to be dropped IMO, and Tadic, Mane and Pelle is what worked well at the start of the season for us. Bench: Davis, Gardos, Targett, JWP, Elia, Davis, Long Only shame is Reed doesn't make squad and Djuricic! :/ Unless we get rid of Targett to make way for one of them. That team is very defensive with few goals scored in recent games from any of those players - are problem is conceding goals but scoring goals - against wba qwerty need an attaching team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 24 February, 2015 Share Posted 24 February, 2015 Sorry our problem is not conceding but scoring goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 February, 2015 Share Posted 24 February, 2015 I see from the Match Schedules that we have Phil Dowd as Ref on Saturday.He's based in Stoke and also figures in the West Midlands FA. Can we hope that he's going to go by the rules rather than (as someone recently said) Ref us out of the top four? PS. Google Kevin Friend and look at the 'criticisms' it certainly ain't just us who have suffered from his incompetence. PPS. Brendan Rogers is the biggest 'clagtail' in the Prem. Rodgers criticised Friend very publicly after Liverpool's draw with Bolton in the FA Cup. Wouldn't be surprised if Sunday wasn't partly a case of long memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 25 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 25 February, 2015 N That team is very defensive with few goals scored in recent games from any of those players - are problem is conceding goals but scoring goals - against wba qwerty need an attaching team Other than Forster they have all scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 WBA will set-up to play a tight ship and hit us on the break. 10 men behind the ball and all that. It'll be another 0-0 or even a 1-0 loss. Seriously, we just don't look like scoring at the moment as (a) the front line is not cohesive and (b) we seem to want to walk the ball into the net. Add to that a sh!t ref and hey presto, another wasted game and opportunity as we slip another place or two down the table. Yes, that is a pessimistic view I guess - or it could be just good observation of how the team has performed over the last 10 or so games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 We need to I implement some sort of shoot on sight policy and have other attacking players following those shots in for rebounds. All our forwards seem to be faffing around with ot, trying to make extra sure. They need to put their laces through it before the opening is closed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA SaintsFan Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 WBA will set-up to play a tight ship and hit us on the break. 10 men behind the ball and all that. It'll be another 0-0 or even a 1-0 loss. Seriously, we just don't look like scoring at the moment as (a) the front line is not cohesive and (b) we seem to want to walk the ball into the net. Add to that a sh!t ref and hey presto, another wasted game and opportunity as we slip another place or two down the table. Yes, that is a pessimistic view I guess - or it could be just good observation of how the team has performed over the last 10 or so games. West Brom in the form they're in and at home may give it a go and not park the bus. Even if they do park the bus, seeing the last 4 games and how teams have set up against up and had success, I'm sure koeman will tweak the system to brake down teams that sit back and hit us on the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 I'm sure koeman will tweak the system to brake down teams that sit back and hit us on the break.not to be negative, but I thought that was what he was doing during the 10 days leading up to the Liverpool game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 Other than Forster they have all scored. Drop him and get someone in who can score FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 ---------------------Forster------------------- ----------Toby---Fonte---Yoshida------------- Clyne---------------------------------Bertrand -------------Morgan--------Wanyama---------- -----------------------Tadic---------------------- -----------------Mane--------Pelle-------------- This would be my team- Yoshi has been excellent, doesn't need to be dropped IMO, and Tadic, Mane and Pelle is what worked well at the start of the season for us. Bench: Davis, Gardos, Targett, JWP, Elia, Davis, Long Only shame is Reed doesn't make squad and Djuricic! :/ Unless we get rid of Targett to make way for one of them. Spot on. Reed maybe for prowse on bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 How are we going to score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 Didn't spot Toby participating in the leap frog this morning. Probably means nothing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 How are we going to score? We need to go forward not sideways or backwards. All the top teams move the ball quickly when they get near the penalty area. Incisive movement is what breaks down defences, not playing back towards our own goal. Bring on Long to lead the line. He is quicker than Pelle and more likely to break down a defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 -------------FORSTER-------------- -----TOBY----FONTE----YOSHI----- CLYNE-----------------------B'RAND --------MORGAN---WANYAMA------- --------------DAVIS---------------- ---------LONG------PELLE---------- Subs: K.Davis, Targett, Gardos, JWP, Tadic, Elia, Mane I would be tempted to start Mane over long, but WBA have 2 very dominant CBs who will have the upper hand over Pelle if we start with Mane, who plays off Pelle a little more than Long does when he's up front with him. Long should be able to stretch their defence and create space for Pelle to get time on the ball which he hasn't had recently. Mane will be a very good option to come off the bench if we need to change our shape a little and go 4-3-3 with either Toby/Maya coming off. Reckon we'll see Davis start and either Tadic/JWP come on for him if we're not leading after an hour to provide a bit more creativity behind the strikers. Either way, it's a must-win to get our confidence back, and hopefully Pelle can get a goal to give him a confidence boost which is desperately needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 (edited) Didn't spot Toby participating in the leap frog this morning. Probably means nothing though. Or that he's still not "full training" fit However, on the assumption he's fully fit, I'd go for.... ------------------------ Forster ---------------------------- -------Fonte ------- Alderweireld ------ Yoshida--------- Clyne --------------------------------------------- Bertrand ------------Wanyama ------- Schneiderlin ---------------- ----- Mane ------------- Long -------------- Djuricic ----- Subs: K.Davis, Targett, Tadic, S.Davis, JWP, Elia, Pelle Edited 25 February, 2015 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 How long has Toby been out? Do You Seriously think he will Come straight into the starting line up?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 That's prob normal, ain't it? You don't tend to ease CBs in with a 25 minute sub appearance like you do with strikers, for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 Why don't we park the bus. If they park the bus then we can pick up a point. Not bad away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 UOr that he's still not "full training" fit However, on the assumption he's fully fit, I'd go for.... ------------------------ Forster ---------------------------- -------Fonte ------- Alderweireld ------ Yoshida--------- Clyne --------------------------------------------- Bertrand ------------Wanyama ------- Schneiderlin ---------------- ----- Mane ------------- Long -------------- Djuricic ----- Subs: K.Davis, Targett, Tadic, S.Davis, JWP, Elia, Pelle Yes this team is the business.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 Why don't we park the bus. If they park the bus then we can pick up a point. Not bad away from home. Because basically after taking 1 point from 3 home games one point from this sort of game is of little use to us, we've played our last joker against middling teams now we need to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 U Yes this team is the business.... If Toby is fit..... we shall no doubt find that out tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 Or that he's still not "full training" fit However, on the assumption he's fully fit, I'd go for.... ------------------------ Forster ---------------------------- -------Fonte ------- Alderweireld ------ Yoshida--------- Clyne --------------------------------------------- Bertrand ------------Wanyama ------- Schneiderlin ---------------- ----- Mane ------------- Long -------------- Djuricic ----- Subs: K.Davis, Targett, Tadic, S.Davis, JWP, Elia, PelleI still haven't seen an explanation for why we'd need three CBs and Schneiderlin and Wanyama? Especially against West Brom. Pelle is a better player than Long and should therefore play. Very strong match day squad though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 I still haven't seen an explanation for why we'd need three CBs and Schneiderlin and Wanyama? Especially against West Brom. Pelle is a better player than Long and should therefore play. Very strong match day squad though. Look at it as 3-5-2. Full backs give us the width and not only get forward but look to get forward quickly. Wanyama/Schneiderlin drop in to cover if we get caught with one/both full backs forward. I much prefer this than playing 4 at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 How long has Toby been out? Do You Seriously think he will Come straight into the starting line up?? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 Don't think Alderweireld is in the training gallery.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 How are we going to manage to score a goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 February, 2015 Share Posted 25 February, 2015 How are we going to score? How are we going to manage to score a goal? Deja vu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Originally Posted by Leicestersaint How are we going to score? Originally Posted by Leicestersaint How are we going to manage to score a goal? Through Sheer Persistance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 ------------------Forster ---------------- Clyne--Fonte--Alderweireld--Bertrand -----Wanyama ------Schneiderlin------ ----------------Djuricic------------------ Mane ---------- Pelle -------------Tadic 01) against West Brom you go with 4 defensive backs... but Clyne and Bertand can still be aggressive defensive wingers effective offensively on the wings. I think you burn an offensive player you need up front, if you play 3 DF (alderweireld, fonte, yoshida) and also have Bertrand and Clyne on the pitch. 02) the no-brainer Wanyama and Schneiderlin pairing as DMs 02) you put Djuricic as CAM, let him facilitate/distribute to Mane, Pelle, and Tadic. 03) you put Tadic on the left, where he played his best football with us. (Tadic and Bertrand play off each other on the left, Clyne and Mane play off each other on the right) 04) at the front 3 forward positions Mane, Pelle and Tadic can be switched with Long and Elia or any combination as the game situation warrants. Maybe the front 3 at some point is: Elia--Mane--Tadic or Elia--Long--Mane or Elia--Pelle--Tadic 05) Reed or Davis can relieve Schneiderlin or Wanyama as required. 06) I hesitate to suggest JWP could be flipped easily with Djuricic, but JWP has shown a nice touch on through ball passes and his set piece ability is the best we got. He just needs to be more aggressive and assert himself. anyway, just a few thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 05) Reed or Davis can relieve Schneiderlin or Wanyama as required. Bit unnecessary on a football pitch and no need to humiliate a sub like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaffeemeister Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 ------------------Forster ---------------- Clyne--Fonte--Alderweireld--Bertrand -----Wanyama ------Schneiderlin------ ----------------Djuricic------------------ Mane ---------- Pelle -------------Tadic 01) against West Brom you go with 4 defensive backs... but Clyne and Bertand can still be aggressive defensive wingers effective offensively on the wings. I think you burn an offensive player you need up front, if you play 3 DF (alderweireld, fonte, yoshida) and also have Bertrand and Clyne on the pitch. 02) the no-brainer Wanyama and Schneiderlin pairing as DMs 02) you put Djuricic as CAM, let him facilitate/distribute to Mane, Pelle, and Tadic. 03) you put Tadic on the left, where he played his best football with us. (Tadic and Bertrand play off each other on the left, Clyne and Mane play off each other on the right) 04) at the front 3 forward positions Mane, Pelle and Tadic can be switched with Long and Elia or any combination as the game situation warrants. Maybe the front 3 at some point is: Elia--Mane--Tadic or Elia--Long--Mane or Elia--Pelle--Tadic 05) Reed or Davis can relieve Schneiderlin or Wanyama as required. 06) I hesitate to suggest JWP could be flipped easily with Djuricic, but JWP has shown a nice touch on through ball passes and his set piece ability is the best we got. He just needs to be more aggressive and assert himself. anyway, just a few thoughts. Well thought out SaintTex, I would probably play Long on the Right against WBA, he'll probably find some space better than Mane and will be more of a physical nuisance and can play off Pelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 ------------------Forster ---------------- Clyne--Fonte--Alderweireld--Bertrand -----Wanyama ------Schneiderlin------ ----------------Djuricic------------------ Mane ---------- Pelle -------------Tadic 01) against West Brom you go with 4 defensive backs... but Clyne and Bertand can still be aggressive defensive wingers effective offensively on the wings. I think you burn an offensive player you need up front, if you play 3 DF (alderweireld, fonte, yoshida) and also have Bertrand and Clyne on the pitch. 02) the no-brainer Wanyama and Schneiderlin pairing as DMs 02) you put Djuricic as CAM, let him facilitate/distribute to Mane, Pelle, and Tadic. 03) you put Tadic on the left, where he played his best football with us. (Tadic and Bertrand play off each other on the left, Clyne and Mane play off each other on the right) 04) at the front 3 forward positions Mane, Pelle and Tadic can be switched with Long and Elia or any combination as the game situation warrants. Maybe the front 3 at some point is: Elia--Mane--Tadic or Elia--Long--Mane or Elia--Pelle--Tadic 05) Reed or Davis can relieve Schneiderlin or Wanyama as required. 06) I hesitate to suggest JWP could be flipped easily with Djuricic, but JWP has shown a nice touch on through ball passes and his set piece ability is the best we got. He just needs to be more aggressive and assert himself. anyway, just a few thoughts. Good thoughts. Thanks For sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I believe this is the match where we get back on track, back to business. I will go with a very strong performance and a defensive shut out. 0-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Cannot see Toby being fit for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Cannot see Toby being fit for this one. We shall just have to wait and see. Seems to be taking a long time though, trouble with these lads is that over the last 12 months they've played and trained for too much football. Think it's a pretty regular occurence in WC affected seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Deja vu I don't think Deja Vu has got his work permit just yet, but great things are indeed expected of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 We shall just have to wait and see. Seems to be taking a long time though, trouble with these lads is that over the last 12 months they've played and trained for too much football. Think it's a pretty regular occurence in WC affected seasons. Even if true, not sure how much applies to Toby who was hardly a regular at Atletico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Even if true, not sure how much applies to Toby who was hardly a regular at Atletico. Nevertheless, in the 15 months or so before he got injured in the Utd game he's apparently participated in 57 games without counting club friendlies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Nevertheless, in the 15 months or so before he got injured in the Utd game he's apparently participated in 57 games without counting club friendlies. Since the start of the 2013/14 season, that's a decent amount of games but still slightly below average, even for nonintermationals (all competitions). The other possibility is that we rushed him back too soon after his initial injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 2pm... [video=youtube_share;WQA2XViPk3A] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 2pm... [video=youtube_share;WQA2XViPk3A] Can't think that he'll have anything much different to say really. No Toby, still hopeful of CL qualification and that'll be about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Can't think that he'll have anything much different to say really. No Toby, still hopeful of CL qualification and that'll be about it. I guess they might try and squeeze a disparaging quote about referees out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I will be sad if he doesn't praise the "good spirit" of the players and say that we play "out of a good organisation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Berahino's a doubt for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Koeman's press conference: - Toby close to being back but not for this weekend; should be fit for Tuesday. - JRod and Mayuka also still out. - We played well against Liverpool, deserved more than we got; need to be more effective. - Doesn't think fixture list is easy with teams playing for Europe and to avoid relegation; every game is winnable, every game is loseable. - Still aiming for top four but accepts that other teams have better players and squads. - Mane has served his punishment for being late; he understood and accepted his punishment. - WBA are organised and hard to score against; they don't score or conceede many. - Ball possession is not important; it's what you do with it. - Aware of WBA's set piece quality. - No comments on Brenda's criticism. - Thinks Qatar 2022 is a problem for the PL - terrible dodgy YouTube stream then cut out. (From Twitter henceforth) - We need more sharpness in the box; our goalscoring problems are a team issue, not just one player. - Koeman is not worried about lack of goals and chances. Don't bother going back to watch the video of that press conference - sound quality was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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