Genuine Question - Pelle

[shurlock]

putting simple chances away. Pelle is not on his own there but IMO, the biggest culprit.

West Ham at home was another. we missed a few easy chances, pelle twice, Tadic was in some great positions and tried to pass it..

 

throw in yesterday. A miss like that from 1ft out was disgusting. Mane was in a great position and blazed it over....the defence is largely doing their bit and we create chances. Just woeful at actually hitting the target now

 

It's not all on Pelle, though his first miss was criminal. We are also not creating much which puts more pressure on him when that fleeting and elusive chance does arrive. Arsenal is the last game where we legitimately created decent chances (which we happened to waste).

Edited 1 March, 2015 by shurlock

[S-Clarke]

It's not all on Pelle, though his first miss was criminal. We are also not creating much which puts more pressure on him when that fleeting and elusive chance does arrive. Arsenal is the last game where we legitimately created decent chances (invariably we then wasted them).

 

I would agree with this, we're clearly not as fluid as we were early in the season, and I don't think Pelle has ever been a 1 shot 1 goal sort of striker, he seems to need a few cracks, as we saw in the game against Millwall in the cup, Newcastle at home IIRC. Back in those days we'd often created 2 or 3 more chances for him, and he'd most of the time take one of them. Now, he's really only getting 1 go a game...and that will be highlighted. Obviously he's not playing well, but I just don't agree with the simplistic view many are saying ''Oh, we needed a striker''. It simply isn't just down to that. We're not as fluid, slick or quick in the attack. We don't open teams up, force the GK into saves and I can't remember too many ''clear cut'' chances we have these days. Maybe 1 a game if we're lucky.

 

I don't think anyone is saying Pelle is a wonder striker, he's pretty bog standard and what you expect for £8m, but he's still done pretty well for us I think. He will score goals, but he's not the sort who can do it all by himself. The drop in form of Tadic and the service he provided has coincided with the dip in Pelle's goals.

[Batman]

I would agree with this, we're clearly not as fluid as we were early in the season, and I don't think Pelle has ever been a 1 shot 1 goal sort of striker, he seems to need a few cracks, as we saw in the game against Millwall in the cup, Newcastle at home IIRC. Back in those days we'd often created 2 or 3 more chances for him, and he'd most of the time take one of them. Now, he's really only getting 1 go a game...and that will be highlighted. Obviously he's not playing well, but I just don't agree with the simplistic view many are saying ''Oh, we needed a striker''. It simply isn't just down to that. We're not as fluid, slick or quick in the attack. We don't open teams up, force the GK into saves and I can't remember too many ''clear cut'' chances we have these days. Maybe 1 a game if we're lucky.

 

I don't think anyone is saying Pelle is a wonder striker, he's pretty bog standard and what you expect for £8m, but he's still done pretty well for us I think. He will score goals, but he's not the sort who can do it all by himself. The drop in form of Tadic and the service he provided has coincided with the dip in Pelle's goals.

 

But most games he does get 2 or 3 very good chances

 

To say he gets 1 a game is wrong in most games

[shurlock]

But most games he does get 2 or 3 very good chances

 

To say he gets 1 a game is wrong in most games

 

Not sure which games you've been watching. Yesterday and wham are as good as it's got for him. Other than that, the chances are just not there, though being critical, it might be partly down to Pelle's lack of movement in and around the box.

Edited 1 March, 2015 by shurlock

[Smirking_Saint]

It's not all on Pelle, though his first miss was criminal. We are also not creating much which puts more pressure on him when that fleeting and elusive chance does arrive. Arsenal is the last game where we legitimately created decent chances (which we happened to waste).

 

I just dont get this arguement, you dont get a multitude of chances at the top level. Which is why you need to make the most of what we do create. The odd game will always go by with frustration. But enough is being created for us to do better.

 

On the plus side atleast Pellè was in decent goalscoring positions this week. But he has to do better. And Im talking about his allround game, not just composure infront of goal.

[shurlock]

I just dont get this arguement, you dont get a multitude of chances at the top level. Which is why you need to make the most of what we do create. The odd game will always go by with frustration. But enough is being created for us to do better.

 

On the plus side atleast Pellè was in decent goalscoring positions this week. But he has to do better. And Im talking about his allround game, not just composure infront of goal.

 

Not saying we should be creating bucket loads of chances - that simply doesn't happen in the prem. What I'm saying is that compared with earlier on in the season, were creating far few chances, looking slower in possession and shorter of ideas. To say the only difference between now and then is Pelle's finishing is way off the mark IMO.

[Whitey Grandad]

But most games he does get 2 or 3 very good chances

 

To say he gets 1 a game is wrong in most games

 

It used to be reckoned that you need 6 chances for each goal.

[Smirking_Saint]

Not saying we should be creating bucket loads of chances - that simply doesn't happen in the prem. What I'm saying is that compared with earlier on in the season, were creating far few chances, looking slower in possession and shorter of ideas. To say the only difference between now and then is Pelle's finishing is way off the mark IMO.

 

Personally I dont think his finishing has changed much at all tbh

 

The chances and possession are based mainly on the opposition realising we are a threat and getting organised to compensate. Id like to see us change things a bit, take more risks and be quicker in possession

[Leo_ARG]

I'm amazed by the support and patience some of you have for him.

 

Even when he was scoring I was never really sold on the lad. The strongest parts of this game are his headers, and his strength to hold up the ball, but that alone won't cut it. He is a decent target man. Good for a start here and there. But not good enough for the starting eleven on a regular basis. As a target man, you have to protect the ball but you ALSO have to pass it back accuratelly to you teammates. He never did that. He just can't pass the ball to the feet. Always off, or too strong. And I won't even get into his ball control. Can't pass, can't dribble. Some say he creates chances by attracting defenders to him. It's true, he does it. But what good is attracting defender when he disrupts every attack by not being able to pass it? A lot of chances don't get to materialize when he is involved. Just drives me crazy.

I see a lot of strikers on teams way lower in the table that could have more goals than him if they were playing for us.

[scotty]

I'm amazed by the support and patience some of you have for him.

 

Even when he was scoring I was never really sold on the lad. The strongest parts of this game are his headers, and his strength to hold up the ball, but that alone won't cut it. He is a decent target man. Good for a start here and there. But not good enough for the starting eleven on a regular basis. As a target man, you have to protect the ball but you ALSO have to pass it back accuratelly to you teammates. He never did that. He just can't pass the ball to the feet. Always off, or too strong. And I won't even get into his ball control. Can't pass, can't dribble. Some say he creates chances by attracting defenders to him. It's true, he does it. But what good is attracting defender when he disrupts every attack by not being able to pass it? A lot of chances don't get to materialize when he is involved. Just drives me crazy.

I see a lot of strikers on teams way lower in the table that could have more goals than him if they were playing for us.

 

 

You're watching a different Pelle than I am. His heading has been poor every time I've seen him, but his hold up and layoff play made up for that earlier in the season. We're getting pressed in the final third harder than ever now, and that's making it that much more difficult for our strikers to get through defences which are now invariably packed.

 

That said, I'd go along with giving Shane a run for a few games, mix it up a bit, with GP as an impact sub.

[Whitey Grandad]

I have always felt that he is an upper Championship level player, but I would hope and love him to prove me wrong.