kpturner Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 How many chances did the wingers or midfielders create for him today? Not many - but one was a simple side foot into an empty net from a yard out, and his missed the ball completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 (edited) He missed 2 absolute sitters today. If I hadn't been there to see them I wouldn't have believed they were so easy. Edited 28 February, 2015 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 He can't keep on doing that. Once his confidence returns he'll be scoring for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 What do you expect for 8 million £ really, Id expect composure ffs, other parts of his game are half decent but has he scored a goal he hasnt absolutely wellied ?! I coach lads with more experience than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 Id expect composure ffs, other parts of his game are half decent but has he scored a goal he hasnt absolutely wellied ?! I coach lads with more experience than him. You were called him incredible a few weeks ago, pipe your lame ass down. I called it since day one, he's garbo status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 He missed 2 absolute sitters today. If I hadn't been there to see them I wouldn't have believed they were so easy. The first one was beyond ridiculous. In fact they both were. Any sort of connection with either of them and he gets a brace, we win 1-2 and all is well again. The fact neither were difficult chances is worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 I'd give him a few days off to have a little break away somewhere, back ready Wednesday training! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 I'd give him a few days off to have a little break away somewhere, back ready Wednesday training! We don't have a game for about 2 weeks after Tuesday, so i'm sure he'll have time off between that and the Chelsea game on the 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 Id expect composure ffs, other parts of his game are half decent but has he scored a goal he hasnt absolutely wellied ?! Yes, and I'm not sure I can remember him 'wellying' a goal either. I don't think the Stoke away curler counts, nor the overhead kick. Composure's been a problem for everyone recently, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 We don't have a game for about 2 weeks after Tuesday, so i'm sure he'll have time off between that and the Chelsea game on the 15th. For some reason I thought we had Chelsea Saturday then a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 Sad really as the effects of his poor form are beginning to ripple throughout the team, who now look like they just don't want to give him the ball. Its a lot like when Chelsea had to try and carry Torres along two seasons ago under Benitez, desperately trying to avoid having to pass it to him until they could effectively spoon-feed him a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 For some reason I thought we had Chelsea Saturday then a break Little bit bitty over the next few weeks. After the Chelsea game, we play Burnley at home on the next Saturday....but then we have another 2 week break because of internationals. After that it's relentless though, no more breaks, so if we're going to regain any sort of composure and have a little bit of a breather, it'll need to be done in the next 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 We don't have a game for about 2 weeks after Tuesday, so i'm sure he'll have time off between that and the Chelsea game on the 15th. We had a break before the Liverpool game Didn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 He buries the sitters we win 2-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 He's a good enough premiership player; poor quality final balls into the box and lack of support are not helping, nor is our style of play currently. Doing good stuff to win headers and hold ball up, but all this happening too far away from goal. he is lacking confidence, but you can't just blame a striker when no-one is creating a chance for him. Usual kneejerk reactions seeking to blame players for being rubbish when they aren't. Sorry nine games without a goal and being total garbage. Not exactly 'knee jerk' !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 He buries the sitters we win 2-1. Absolutely, anyone want to try to name another PL striker who'd not have buried at least one out of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 It's true he should have buried that one on the line. You can't make excuses for that. But then again Benteke hasn't scored in 8 or 9 games. Rooney hadn't netted in the same period until last night. It's a bit shidhouse but what are you gonna do. Can't see him being dropped for Palace, but can imagine Long starting alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 It's true he should have buried that one on the line. You can't make excuses for that. But then again Benteke hasn't scored in 8 or 9 games. Rooney hadn't netted in the same period until last night. It's a bit shidhouse but what are you gonna do. Can't see him being dropped for Palace, but can imagine Long starting alongside him. I sometimes get the impression that Koeman isn't Long's biggest fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 It's true he should have buried that one on the line. You can't make excuses for that. But then again Benteke hasn't scored in 8 or 9 games. Rooney hadn't netted in the same period until last night. It's a bit shidhouse but what are you gonna do. Can't see him being dropped for Palace, but can imagine Long starting alongside him. Benteke plays in a far inferior team overall and Rooney has been playing in midfield for a lot of those games. Granted, there will always be strikers not scoring but we are very weak regarding options compared to those we are competing with at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 (edited) I sometimes get the impression that Koeman isn't Long's biggest fan. Maybe not, but then we'd struggle to find Long's biggest fan anywhere. Definitely not on this forum. But we have to work with what we have, and SL does offer movement and can stretch defenses out of position. We've seen it. Would have perhaps liked to see Djuricic ahead of Elia yesterday. But what do I know. Just keep plugging away and hopefully something will change for the better. Not like we haven't had a bad spell once already. I'll clutch at straws and say at least GP got on the end of a couple chances yesterday, which hasn't happened for a while. Progress. Edited 1 March, 2015 by GarrettIvo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 (edited) Well whomsoever decided to pay 12 million £ for him must have been a bit of an admirer surely. Edited 1 March, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Absolutely, anyone want to try to name another PL striker who'd not have buried at least one out of the two. Shane Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Shane Long Doesn't get enough game time for us to be able to decide really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 It's not pellès fault Ron was the only person not to realise we needed another striker, however pelle has about as much movement as a plank of wood, approaches everything look liking he can't be ****ed, reminds me of fuller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 It's not pellès fault Ron was the only person not to realise we needed another striker, however pelle has about as much movement as a plank of wood, approaches everything look liking he can't be ****ed, reminds me of fuller It's got nothing to do with him not being arsed. He has a few limitations and is low on confidence. The main issue is a lack of an alternative option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 (edited) The constant comments about the service he receives baffle me, he receives decent service most of the time, he is either slow off the mark each time or he loses the aerial battle with the defender, service is not the problem, Pelle is the problem. this is very true. good balls are put in the box and he gets a few chances per game. Those chances have been going wide or over (and now even missing the ball) for a few games. You hardly see him beat a CB in winning a header for a chance on goal in the box. hardly see him attack the space in front of a defender for a goal either. when people say we do not create for him. It is more like, beckham-esq type balls are not put onto his head whilst not being marked he was getting away with it as he was pretty good at other parts of the game...sadly, that has been very lacking in recent weeks. it will be pretty tragic if he is in Damian Delany's back pocket on tuesday night. awful defender Edited 1 March, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 this is very true. good balls are put in the box and he gets a few chances per game. Those chances have been going wide or over (and now even missing the ball) for a few games. You hardly see him beat a CB in winning a header for a chance on goal in the box. hardly see him attack the space in front of a defender for a goal either. when people say we do not create for him. It is more like, beckham-esq type balls are not put onto his head whilst not being marked he was getting away with it as he was pretty good at other parts of the game...sadly, that has been very lacking in recent weeks. Sunderland 2, Newcastle 2, QPR 1, West Ham 1, Utd 1, Everton 1..that's the total of his league goal scoring, in 4 cases out of 6 against some of the weakest defences in the PL, bloke is a bust we just need to accept that and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Shall I start a , Pelle simple not good enough thread ? Worked wonders for mane haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Sunderland 2, Newcastle 2, QPR 1, West Ham 1, Utd 1, Everton 1..that's the total of his league goal scoring, in 4 cases out of 6 against some of the weakest defences in the PL, bloke is a bust we just need to accept that and move on. Since the 1st Nov he has scored 3 goals in all competitions (1 in 3 different games) I thought he was pretty good and just hit a bad patch. It seems like he is pretty poor and just hit a purple patch during Sept and October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Since the 1st Nov he has scored 3 goals (1 in 3 different games) I thought he was pretty good who hit a bad patch. It seems like he is pretty poor who and just hit a purple patch during Sept and October By scoring 2 goals in each of the games against Newcastle and Sunderland with their defences in meltdown. Great goal against QPR though but as we all know those bicycle kicks can end up in the net or row ZZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Definitely needs replacing in the Summer. His overall play isn't good enough for this level. He hit a purple patch early on the season and people suddenly thought he was an improvement on Lambert. No chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 If Ron is going to play him on Tuesday, he needs to play a front 2. Pelle can't occupy the defenders on his own the way we need him to. Reckon Long up front on his own would be a better bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 The question is will koeman persist with him next game? My guess is yes its clear he has an allegiance to pelle even when he's in shocking form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 If Ron is going to play him on Tuesday, he needs to play a front 2. Pelle can't occupy the defenders on his own the way we need him to. Reckon Long up front on his own would be a better bet. Playing Long up front on his own against a team that's likely to park it just won't work. Long runs the channels. There won't be any channels. Our pacey players are ineffective against teams that defend deep. We need quality on the ball to unlock teams. Quality we dont have or which has gone missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Playing Long up front on his own against a team that's likely to park it just won't work. Long runs the channels. There won't be any channels. Our pacey players are ineffective against teams that defend deep. We need quality on the ball to unlock teams. Quality we dont have or which has gone missing. Dont agree. You need mobile forwards who can make runs in behind, to either take it on themselves, or create space for others. It's all very well having quality on the ball, but it's irrelevant if there's no movement. Recently, we have gone back to square passing, or passing backwards because of lack of options in front. This is in part, due to teams parking the bus, and also in part to poor movement up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 For balance: there have been matches he has been outstanding in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Dont agree. You need mobile forwards who can make runs in behind, to either take it on themselves, or create space for others. It's all very well having quality on the ball, but it's irrelevant if there's no movement. Recently, we have gone back to square passing, or passing backwards because of lack of options in front. This is in part, due to teams parking the bus, and also in part to poor movement up front. Alan Shearer said something similar last night on MOTD. he went through a bad phase at Newcastle but then Bobby Robson came in and spotted the problem. He said Shearer was too easy to play against because he always showed the defenders the number on his back. He should have been making more runs in behind. They then illustrated this point with Falcao (?) at Man Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Dont agree. You need mobile forwards who can make runs in behind, to either take it on themselves, or create space for others. It's all very well having quality on the ball, but it's irrelevant if there's no movement. Recently, we have gone back to square passing, or passing backwards because of lack of options in front. This is in part, due to teams parking the bus, and also in part to poor movement up front. Teams defend deep so there is no space to make runs in behind. That's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Alan Shearer said something similar last night on MOTD. he went through a bad phase at Newcastle but then Bobby Robson came in and spotted the problem. He said Shearer was too easy to play against because he always showed the defenders the number on his back. He should have been making more runs in behind. They then illustrated this point with Falcao (?) at Man Utd. What if there's no space to make runs in behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Teams defend deep so there is no space to make runs in behind. That's the point. Pitches are wide as well as long. Good players find space and create space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Pitches are wide as well as long. Good players find space and create space. So we're back to my point about quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Pitches are wide as well as long. Good players find space and create space. lambert used to be pretty decent at moving across the front line and getting himself against a full back instead of a big CB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 So we're back to my point about quality. we have decent quality, we have created a fair few chances in the last few weeks. just those chances have been put over/wide or completely missed (like yesterday) throw in the complete inability to have a pop from 20 yards or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 lambert used to be pretty decent at moving across the front line and getting himself against a full back instead of a big CB.... This is a fair point. Lambert did it against Clyne when he was a Palace. West Brom targeted Clyne yesterday. By contrast how often does Peele peel off to the far post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 This is a fair point. Lambert did it against Clyne when he was a Palace. West Brom targeted Clyne yesterday. By contrast how often does Peele peel off to the far post? he rarely wins a header. and rarely see him 'move' when the ball is put in. you never really see him running across the front of the space of a CB to go for the ball if it has been put in...unless the ball is right in area he is standing, he will jump for it...dont see much of him moving CBs across their own penalty area when a ball is wide... then people come on here and say we are not creating anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 we have decent quality, we have created a fair few chances in the last few weeks. just those chances have been put over/wide or completely missed (like yesterday) throw in the complete inability to have a pop from 20 yards or so I don't diasagree with any of that and poor finishing is obviously a factor but it doesn't address the issue which is why we can't beat teams that defend deep and how we can rectify it. running in behind isn't an option where there's no space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 I don't diasagree with any of that and poor finishing is obviously a factor but it doesn't address the issue which is why we can't beat teams that defend deep and how we can rectify it. running in behind isn't an option where there's no space. putting simple chances away. Pelle is not on his own there but IMO, the biggest culprit. West Ham at home was another. we missed a few easy chances, pelle twice, Tadic was in some great positions and tried to pass it.. throw in yesterday. A miss like that from 1ft out was disgusting. Mane was in a great position and blazed it over....the defence is largely doing their bit and we create chances. Just woeful at actually hitting the target now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 putting simple chances away. Pelle is not on his own there but IMO, the biggest culprit. West Ham at home was another. we missed a few easy chances, pelle twice, Tadic was in some great positions and tried to pass it.. throw in yesterday. A miss like that from 1ft out was disgusting. Mane was in a great position and blazed it over....the defence is largely doing their bit and we create chances. Just woeful at actually hitting the target now Didn't we have exactly the same problems towards the end of last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 Didn't we have exactly the same problems towards the end of last season? we scored something like 16 goals in our last 10 games two of those we got 4 in one game (newcastle and norwich at home). Lambert scored 5 in the last 10 so, not sure if it was a big problem..also, it was decided that pelle and tadic were upgrades on lambert and lallana anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 March, 2015 Share Posted 1 March, 2015 I don't diasagree with any of that and poor finishing is obviously a factor but it doesn't address the issue which is why we can't beat teams that defend deep and how we can rectify it. running in behind isn't an option where there's no space. But there is space, defences don't play on the 6 yard line. Running in behind doesn't necessarily mean through on goal, if someone runs the channel towards the byline and receives the ball then defenders are facing their own goal, which they hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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