benjii Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Why do pundits, and now plenty of punters, use this word to mean, "clear" or "definite"? That's not what it means. Thick budgies. Might as well say, " it's an absolute spazz-wham of a penalty. Completely hole-crust, Jeff!"
East Kent Saint Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Well that's the development of language , a number of words have had their meaning changed over time . Stonewall used to mean delay or total block after Stonewall Jackson of American Civil war fame but some use it now as a "certain" . Youngsters say bad to mean good or wicked etc etc ...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Apart from its obvious masonry related use, 'Stonewall' was a nickname given to General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson - a Confederate officer of the US civil war well known for his exceptional defence capabilities. I understand the modern usage of this term to indicate 'a certainty' is a corruption of the old expression 'Stone Cold' - which seems to have gone out of fashion. That however may be completely wrong, as any fan of QI will confirm.
benjii Posted 21 February, 2015 Author Posted 21 February, 2015 Well that's the development of language , a number of words have had their meaning changed over time . Stonewall used to mean delay or total block after Stonewall Jackson of American Civil war fame but some use it now as a "certain" . Youngsters say bad to mean good or wicked etc etc ... Well, that's fine, but we're not really talking about the natural evolution of language through inventive or subversive use. We're not talking about an avante garde flourish. We're talking about a small cabal of ill-educated, ill-equipped and inadequate amateurs spreading ignorance. Monkey-see, monkey-do thick-headedness of the highest order. If you listen to some cricket commentary or rugby commentary you don't generally have to put up with such brain-numbing, uncultivated, predictable nonsense. It comes to something when broadcasters find a way to "dumb-down" football.
Batman Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 "Clear goals" I think is a pointless phrase "Saints need to win by 2 clear goals" What are 2 un-clear goals?
The Cat Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Half full or half empty guys? Depends how long you have left in the pub before needing to leave for kick off.
cellone Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Well that's the development of language , a number of words have had their meaning changed over time . Stonewall used to mean delay or total block after Stonewall Jackson of American Civil war fame but some use it now as a "certain" . Youngsters say bad to mean good or wicked etc etc ... That's sick blood.
lifeintheslowlane Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Dumb down/talk up from commentators. Now anything struck with force is a great shot or a great header whether it's on target or well wide. FFS a header that sails over the bar isn't a great header...I continually shout at the screen
Badger Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Does it make a difference if the "stonewall" penalty, they're talikng about is "early doors" or not ? Another phrase that pundits have given to the vocabulary is "doable" .
BallBoy Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 "Stonewall" penalties are also "All day long". I would be happy all day long just to get one - and to score it. Especially if Lovren concedes it!
mrfahaji Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 I like it when people get them mixed up. I heard a Man United fan (with a Southern accent, naturally) on the radio once during a run of a couple of poor results, where he proclaimed that Ferguson would be angry with the team "in between closed doors", and that the team really needed to "buckle up their ideas".
Stud mark of doom Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 I recall a letter to When Saturday Comes on this very topic some years ago. If I remember it went on to suggest alternative levels of penalty certainty using property boundaries of different strength. It's very rare for a team to get through a home game without at least 1 or 2 "garden fencers" for example.
Supersubpuckett Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 maybe its meant in the context that a penalty claim is totally defensible, i.e. it can't be or shouldn't be challenged, hence stonewall. get over yourselves
cellone Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 get over yourselves Most irritating phrase on this thread.
CB Fry Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 Well, that's fine, but we're not really talking about the natural evolution of language through inventive or subversive use. We're not talking about an avante garde flourish. We're talking about a small cabal of ill-educated, ill-equipped and inadequate amateurs spreading ignorance. Monkey-see, monkey-do thick-headedness of the highest order. If you listen to some cricket commentary or rugby commentary you don't generally have to put up with such brain-numbing, uncultivated, predictable nonsense. It comes to something when broadcasters find a way to "dumb-down" football. The use of "gone to ground" by commentators and pundits is far, far worse. It doesn't mean dive, fall over or fall to the ground you utter fu cking morons.
Redslo Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 "Clear goals" I think is a pointless phrase "Saints need to win by 2 clear goals" What are 2 un-clear goals? They still exist only in leagues without goal line technology.
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 February, 2015 Posted 21 February, 2015 My favourite ever commentator phrase has to be 'anywhere else on the pitch its a foul but its not enough for a penalty' Hmmm sorry ?
SaintBobby Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 One phrase that came to semi-prominence a few months ago, but thankfully seems to have died, was defending or a tackle being "agricultural". I simply couldn't begin to understand what concept was described here. This was beyond misuse of language, it was just meaningless.
AdrianC Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 The thing that I absolutely detest is when commentators use words like 'delicious' to describe a cross or good pass. In fact the guy doing Swansea/Utd for 5Live used the phrase "succulent delivery" when reviewing the first half. Wtf is a "succulent delivery"? Completely cringeworthy.
niceandfriendly Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 THe worst one is Martin "he had no right to shoot/score from there" Keown. Yes he f*cking did! It's part of the football pitch you complete moron.
Kingsland Codger Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Clive Woods, member of that great Ipswich side of the mid/late 70s, was often described as having "an educated left-foot". From this, I could only infer that the rest of him was woefully ignorant.
Fan The Flames Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Why do pundits, and now plenty of punters, use this word to mean, "clear" or "definite"? That's not what it means. Thick budgies. Might as well say, " it's an absolute spazz-wham of a penalty. Completely hole-crust, Jeff!" The spelling is actually 'stoanwool', where a well was thought to be be dry 'stoan' it would be left in the hope of reactivating, if spider webs started to form to a great degree at the bottom of the well then they would be certain that there is no water trickling through it, this mass of webs was known as 'stoanwool'. It was a clear and certain sign that the well was dead, for now anyway.
martel Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Thus far instead of so far You find words and sayings being followed all over the place now, our wonderful Right Honorable leaders do this frequently, for example, Robust and Hyperbolic, both of which will be closely followed by so much Bull Sxxt it makes me gag.
The9 Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 "Bolted on" (used instead of "nailed on") is a weird one in terms of penalty certainty as well.
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Thank goodness 'Beckhamesque' has finally died out. He was not the only player that could kick a ball from one side of the pitch to the other.
Lets B Avenue Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 "and he knows it." Well that's patently obvious, unless "he" is unconscious or dead.
5string Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Well, that's fine, but we're not really talking about the natural evolution of language through inventive or subversive use. We're not talking about an avante garde flourish. We're talking about a small cabal of ill-educated, ill-equipped and inadequate amateurs spreading ignorance. Monkey-see, monkey-do thick-headedness of the highest order. If you listen to some cricket commentary or rugby commentary you don't generally have to put up with such brain-numbing, uncultivated, predictable nonsense. It comes to something when broadcasters find a way to "dumb-down" football. Unless it's Brian Moore! Does my nut in!
5string Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 The use of "gone to ground" by commentators and pundits is far, far worse. It doesn't mean dive, fall over or fall to the ground you utter fu cking morons. Probably the same people who think the cloakroom is where you keep your cloak.
lifeintheslowlane Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 It annoys me when discussing Champions League contenders Michael Owen can't quite get Sou...kak, South...kak kak, Mumtun...kak kak kak out. Last Sunday whilst talking on the subject he managed to talk around the "S" word without naming us. Nasty speech impediment.
lifeintheslowlane Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 The use of "gone to ground" by commentators and pundits is far, far worse. It doesn't mean dive, fall over or fall to the ground you utter fu cking morons. I think "gone to ground" means you send in "The Terriers" (Hudderfield) to flush out "The Foxes" (Leicester) so possibly it will be a relevant analogy next season.
Coxford_lou Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 It annoys me when discussing Champions League contenders Michael Owen can't quite get Sou...kak, South...kak kak, Mumtun...kak kak kak out. Last Sunday whilst talking on the subject he managed to talk around the "S" word without naming us. Nasty speech impediment. LOL!!
pap Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Love it when you hear "favourite left foot" instead of "favoured".
david in sweden Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 (edited) ..since the Pilgrim Fathers set sail in that leaky boat and headed to the Colonies almost 400 years, we've had four centuries to try and teach Americans how to use the English Language correctly - - and failed miserably. With so many US-produced TV programmes generated to our screens-(it's worse in Sweden). Why is it so many people....when asked about their health (not wellness)...insist on saying..." I'm good " Egotists !.....it's not for them to judge themselves - but for others so to do. As for me ....I'm fine, thank you. Edited 22 February, 2015 by david in sweden
pap Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 (edited) Reminds me of an incident in a bar in Northern Ireland. Last orders, my mate asks me if I want a beer in earshot of the barmaid. "Nah, I'm cool", I say. Barmaid immediately pips up with "You may not want a drink, but you're NOT cool.". Love the Northern Irish. Edited 22 February, 2015 by pap
david in sweden Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Probably the same people who think the cloakroom is where you keep your cloak. That's only for Batman ... ..but why do ladies still seek after..." the powder room ". Do they want to sniff it, or explode it?. .....and just where do they go to toilet, when I'm in the Gents.? Plain language please.
pap Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Also, david in sweden, I think you're on shaky ground with "I'm fine". In an urban language context, it can be just as self-congratularory as I'm good (fine assed b!tch, etc). When uttered by a fine assed b!tch, or indeed any female, "fine" can mean literally anything.
david in sweden Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Thank goodness 'Beckhamesque' has finally died out. He was not the only player that could kick a ball from one side of the pitch to the other. EXACTLY - Terry Paine used to hit good passes from touchline to touchline.
Dark Munster Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 The second was a stonewall penalty today. Bloody Kevin Friend.
Daft Kerplunk Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 'he played brilliant today'...instead of 'he played brilliantly today' unless of course we were watching the new televised sport called Brilliant
Ewell Posted 22 February, 2015 Posted 22 February, 2015 Why do pundits, and now plenty of punters, use this word to mean, "clear" or "definite"? That's not what it means. Thick budgies. Might as well say, " it's an absolute spazz-wham of a penalty. Completely hole-crust, Jeff!" Wow, if ever a post came home to roost it's this beauty!
Cricketphilly Posted 24 February, 2015 Posted 24 February, 2015 My current pet hate? 'Can I get a...?'. 'No you can't get it, i'll get it, you don't work here!'
Saint86 Posted 24 February, 2015 Posted 24 February, 2015 Wow, if ever a post came home to roost it's this beauty! I think Benji is actually Kevin Friend....
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