Ralph is loving 'the product'

[verlaine1979]

In the BBC article, the reference to the 'product' is about the Premier League as a whole, rather than Saints, isn't it?

[shurlock]

In the BBC article, the reference to the 'product' is about the Premier League as a whole, rather than Saints, isn't it?

 

No his reference is to Steven Davis final ball.

[sadoldgit]

So you reckon me calling Ralph slightly grating is slagging off? Jesus you must be a delicate flower in real life.

 

I see you have added the word "slightly" to your quote from #15. You have said far worse things about him.

 

"Wreck It Ralph" can "grate" and use the word "product" as much as he likes in my book as long as he and his colleagues continue to deliver. We have a club we can be proud again and he plays his part in that. This thread is churlish to say the least and it demonstrates that there are those who are just waiting for someone to trip up so that they can jump on them - just as happens in our blip before Christmas when the bedwetters rose once more from their coffins to peddle their doom and gloom until the sun came up and we started winning matches again.

[Coxford_lou]

The phrase 'Wreck it Ralph' is far more grating than the term 'product'. Can we sack whoever created it?

[dronskisaint]

VIDEO: Ralph talks to the BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31503221

 

 

5 minute interview.

 

Thanks, that's a clear, jargon-free and concise statement of how we arrived where we are and why the board feel confident they can adapt should they need to.

[VectisSaint]

The phrase 'Wreck it Ralph' is far more grating than the term 'product'. Can we sack whoever created it?

Not sure if Disney would sack someone in their organisation for some minor offence to a couple of Saints "fans". Wreck-it Ralph is a well loved character who makes the Disney Corp a whole load of money and who ultimately is the hero, so you should not really take offence at the name, since Ralph allegedly seems to be the hero of the hour at the moment (allegedly because I have never seen the movie].

[Sour Mash]

Some of the stuff about us being bigger than Man Utd in the States was a bit laughable, but he's spot on about the potential for growth in that market - "soccer" as a whole over the next few years is going to keep expanding hugely.

[Noodles34]

I see you have added the word "slightly" to your quote from #15. You have said far worse things about him.

 

"Wreck It Ralph" can "grate" and use the word "product" as much as he likes in my book as long as he and his colleagues continue to deliver. We have a club we can be proud again and he plays his part in that. This thread is churlish to say the least and it demonstrates that there are those who are just waiting for someone to trip up so that they can jump on them - just as happens in our blip before Christmas when the bedwetters rose once more from their coffins to peddle their doom and gloom until the sun came up and we started winning matches again.

 

I guess they would not be the same people that sat up once Cortese went, cause they weren't waiting for that moment, no?

Same difference pal, same difference.

[david in sweden]

In the BBC article, the reference to the 'product' is about the Premier League as a whole, rather than Saints, isn't it?

 

Mmm...interesting question, though.

My interpretation was that " the product "....is the name / image / structure of SFC, and not just a team of footballers.

 

Ralph cites different areas of the club; finance, marketing as well as the footballing activities. All of the " big name clubs " are worldwide brands, and have fans and sell " products " on every continent.

Sport shops in Stockholm not only sell club shirts for the Swedish sides, but for Arsenal, Man U, Citeh and Liverpool,....as well as Barcelona and Real Madrid, too.

 

In short, " the product " is the club in its entirety and not just the 24 man squad playing 38 games a season.

 

I've met Swedish fans, who are very surprised and pleased to see a new name in the top end of the Prem. and Ronald Koeman is legend in some Euro countries (perhaps more so than in England.) (English football has been top viewing here since Match of the Day progs. in the 1970's)

[verlaine1979]

Mmm...interesting question, though.

My interpretation was that " the product "....is the name / image / structure of SFC, and not just a team of footballers.

 

Ralph cites different areas of the club; finance, marketing as well as the footballing activities. All of the " big name clubs " are worldwide brands, and have fans and sell " products " on every continent.

Sport shops in Stockholm not only sell club shirts for the Swedish sides, but for Arsenal, Man U, Citeh and Liverpool,....as well as Barcelona and Real Madrid, too.

 

In short, " the product " is the club in its entirety and not just the 24 man squad playing 38 games a season.

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I was referring to this quote specifically:

"My first reaction is just to have so much respect for the Premier League - for the excitement and the competitiveness. Every single match is fantastic entertainment. Win or lose, I love the product," said Krueger.

[sadoldgit]

I guess they would not be the same people that sat up once Cortese went, cause they weren't waiting for that moment, no?

Same difference pal, same difference.

 

So you agree that you are waiting for the Board to fail? I was happy when Cortese went but didn't lose any sleep when he was here. As much as I disliked his methods I did not want him to fail because that would have meant that the club failed. Hardly the same difference pal.

[sadoldgit]

The phrase 'Wreck it Ralph' is far more grating than the term 'product'. Can we sack whoever created it?

 

Indeed but it was no where near as bad as some of the things Ms Leibherr was called during the summer.

[trousers]

VIDEO: Ralph talks to the BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31503221

 

We've put £1.5m back into the local community

 

To be fair, that's a pretty poor effort compared to the £300m that Pompey generates for the local community per season

[Noodles34]

See below, don't know what I have done

Edited 18 February, 2015 by Noodles34

[Noodles34]

So you agree that you are waiting for the Board to fail? I was happy when Cortese went but didn't lose any sleep when he was here. As much as I disliked his methods I did not want him to fail because that would have meant that the club failed. Hardly the same difference pal.

 

No, I'm a saints fan so clearly I want us to succeed, just don't believe in everything we are told, I reckon she Will sell its in the next 5 years, but that's another story.

the one thing you got from Cortese was a sense of believing that we really would succeed, albeit with someone else's money, but weirdly enough, I find (in respect of the football and transfers etc) I had more faith in him than this lot. I may be proved wrong, which would not be a bad thing for Saints, I may be right. But at the end of the day, there are more important things in my life than this, so either way it won't make a difference.

and you only have to look at certain posters who had been waiting for Cortese to fail before they all whooped "told you so...." (Though don't know what they wee telling us, we were 5th or 6th in the league when he went)Let see what happens if she sells to some Carson Yeung type fellow.

[St_Tel49]

No, I'm a saints fan so clearly I want us to succeed, just don't believe in everything we are told, I reckon she Will sell its in the next 5 years, but that's another story.

Based on what exactly? I'm curious.

[Saint-Armstrong]

Ralph Krueger saying his initial agreement with Katharina was to be chairman until this summer. Wonder if that will continue, and would people like him to stay?

[Charlie Wayman]

Ralph Krueger saying his initial agreement with Katharina was to be chairman until this summer. Wonder if that will continue, and would people like him to stay?

 

Not unusual in business, it means nobody ends up with egg on their faces if the fit doesn't quite work out as intended, the parties can go their separate ways and move on without undue speculation surrounding any departures. Seen it many times. You'd be surprised how often these things don't work.

 

His new TV appearance should be taken as a very strong signal that all is very well rounded and settled upstairs, the drinks cabinet door is open and the senior management toilet unlocked. Ralph will be here to help unload the wheelbarrow loads of dosh soon to be delivered by Securicor.

 

In Ralph we Trust! Ralph won't move on!

[View From The Top]

No, I'm a saints fan so clearly I want us to succeed, just don't believe in everything we are told, I reckon she Will sell its in the next 5 years, but that's another story.

the one thing you got from Cortese was a sense of believing that we really would succeed, albeit with someone else's money, but weirdly enough, I find (in respect of the football and transfers etc) I had more faith in him than this lot. I may be proved wrong, which would not be a bad thing for Saints, I may be right. But at the end of the day, there are more important things in my life than this, so either way it won't make a difference.

and you only have to look at certain posters who had been waiting for Cortese to fail before they all whooped "told you so...." (Though don't know what they wee telling us, we were 5th or 6th in the league when he went)Let see what happens if she sells to some Carson Yeung type fellow.

 

And that's why Noddles is top COC.

[Boondock Saint]

the one thing you got from Cortese was a sense of believing that we really would succeed, albeit with someone else's money, but weirdly enough, I find (in respect of the football and transfers etc) I had more faith in him than this lot.

 

As opposed to actually succeeding (well, doing much better than under his stewardship) and Katrin spending her own money!?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Ralph Krueger saying his initial agreement with Katharina was to be chairman until this summer. Wonder if that will continue, and would people like him to stay?

 

I see no reason for wanting him to leave, however from what I can gather he appears to have mainly been tasked with two things. 1. To support better harmony in the club throughout all employees. 2. To drive an initiative towards a more sustainable future for the club with one of the primary drivers for this being increased commercial revenue which was a huge issue for us.

 

He seems to have nailed 1., but 2. is very important as well. He references 2016 in his interviews but I don't see a reason why commercial revenue cannot increase before then.

[Turkish]

One of these I find most amusing is the amount of people who are now saying how great it is that we're exploiting all the commercial revenue streams open to us. When I and a few others pointed out this was one of Cortese biggest failings, that he wasn't doing this and as CEO that was his job, that he was proving himself to be very good at spending money not so good at making it, I got absolutely lambasted. I was told that commercial revenue was a drop

In the ocean compared to the TV money he had made us by getting us promoted, that he was a business genius that I hated him and wanted him to fail. Funny how now we are doing what he wasn't its a great thing. Just reinforces the view that Cortese was off playing real life football manager with someone else's money and that he was neglecting things he should have been doing.

[Batman]

One of these I find most amusing is the amount of people who are now saying how great it is that we're exploiting all the commercial revenue streams open to us. When I and a few others pointed out this was one of Cortese biggest failings, that he wasn't doing this and as CEO that was his job, that he was proving himself to be very good at spending money not so good at making it, I got absolutely lambasted. I was told that commercial revenue was a drop

In the ocean compared to the TV money he had made us by getting us promoted, that he was a business genius that I hated him and wanted him to fail. Funny how now we are doing what he wasn't its a great thing. Just reinforces the view that Cortese was off playing real life football manager with someone else's money and that he was neglecting things he should have been doing.

 

you spend more time talking about cortese than anyone else on the forum

[david in sweden]

I was referring to this quote specifically:

 

Yes, you're right. I missed that, but the rest of the interview seemed fairly clear.

[sadoldgit]

No, I'm a saints fan so clearly I want us to succeed, just don't believe in everything we are told, I reckon she Will sell its in the next 5 years, but that's another story.

the one thing you got from Cortese was a sense of believing that we really would succeed, albeit with someone else's money, but weirdly enough, I find (in respect of the football and transfers etc) I had more faith in him than this lot. I may be proved wrong, which would not be a bad thing for Saints, I may be right. But at the end of the day, there are more important things in my life than this, so either way it won't make a difference.

and you only have to look at certain posters who had been waiting for Cortese to fail before they all whooped "told you so...." (Though don't know what they wee telling us, we were 5th or 6th in the league when he went)Let see what happens if she sells to some Carson Yeung type fellow.

 

Fair play Noodles. I can see that you don't have much faith in the current owner or Board and that is your choice. I don't know why you preferred to believe in Cortese who clearly had "issues" rather than people who have demonstrated that they are solid so far. I would also argue that the current lot are showing better business acumen and have achieved a better standing in the Premiership than the Don did so far.

 

You may well be a Saints fan but I do find it odd that you want people who have done a good job to either fail or jump ship.

[cellone]

When I and a few others pointed out this.

 

Thanks for pointing out that you pointed this out because we may have forgotten and missed the point

[Turkish]

you spend more time talking about cortese than anyone else on the forum

 

Cortese isn't on the forum Dumbball.

[Turkish]

Thanks for pointing out that you pointed this out because we may have forgotten and missed the point

 

No problem. It wasn't just me but there was a small minority of COC rebels that have been proven right.

[shurlock]

No problem. It wasn't just me but there was a small minority of COC rebels that have been proven right.

 

Do you have a figure of the 'prize on offer' if we fully exploited these alternative commercial revenue streams, bringing them in line with other provincial-sized prem clubs?

 

Let's just say, we're not talking gushing geysers.

[Redslo]

Some of the stuff about us being bigger than Man Utd in the States was a bit laughable, but he's spot on about the potential for growth in that market - "soccer" as a whole over the next few years is going to keep expanding hugely.

 

That is not exactly what he said.

[Redslo]

One of these I find most amusing is the amount of people who are now saying how great it is that we're exploiting all the commercial revenue streams open to us. When I and a few others pointed out this was one of Cortese biggest failings, that he wasn't doing this and as CEO that was his job, that he was proving himself to be very good at spending money not so good at making it, I got absolutely lambasted. I was told that commercial revenue was a drop

In the ocean compared to the TV money he had made us by getting us promoted, that he was a business genius that I hated him and wanted him to fail. Funny how now we are doing what he wasn't its a great thing. Just reinforces the view that Cortese was off playing real life football manager with someone else's money and that he was neglecting things he should have been doing.

 

That explains everything. In Football Manager commercial income can be very helpful, but it just happens. You have no control over it. Maybe that is how he thought it worked in real life.

[shurlock]

That explains everything. In Football Manager commercial income can be very helpful, but it just happens. You have no control over it. Maybe that is how he thought it worked in real life.

 

Or perhaps in real life -rather than your make believe world of computer games- gate/matchday and commercial income for provincial-sized clubs operating more or less at capacity don't really move the dial, compared to developing, finding and selling players for a profit, finishing higher in the league and being broadcast more often on TV.

Edited 18 February, 2015 by shurlock

[Turkish]

Do you have a figure of the 'prize on offer' if we fully exploited these alternative commercial revenue streams, bringing them in line with other provincial-sized prem clubs?

 

Let's just say, we're not talking gushing geysers.

 

He should of at least raised a couple of million to cover what he paid himself.

[Batman]

He should of at least raised a couple of million to cover what he paid himself.

 

didnt he work for Kat? didnt she sanction his wages?

[Turkish]

didnt he work for Kat? didnt she sanction his wages?

 

Yes he did and no she didn't.

[CB Fry]

Do you have a figure of the 'prize on offer' if we fully exploited these alternative commercial revenue streams, bringing them in line with other provincial-sized prem clubs?

 

Let's just say, we're not talking gushing geysers.

Bigger than Watford?

[Batman]

Yes he did and no she didn't.

 

weak owner then

[Turkish]

weak owner then

 

He's not here anymore is he, so clearly not.

[Batman]

He's not here anymore is he, so clearly not.

 

he was able to pay himself the wages you suggest. for a while too wasnt it

the owner had zero control over that...really?

[Turkish]

he was able to pay himself the wages you suggest. for a while too wasnt it

the owner had zero control over that...really?

 

What did kat say when he left about governance? Have a think Brett and let's see if you can work it out for yourself

[Batman]

What did kat say when he left about governance? Have a think Brett and let's see if you can work it out for yourself

 

Ok, she had zero control of her own company. In what the 'manager' decided to pay himself

 

fair enough

[CB Fry]

he was able to pay himself the wages you suggest. for a while too wasnt it

the owner had zero control over that...really?

So you're saying you wished Kat had stepped in earlier and forced him out earlier, right?

[Batman]

So you're saying you wished Kat had stepped in earlier and forced him out earlier, right?

 

if you read that from my post, yes. if not, no.

 

But at some point, she must have been happy enough to sign off with his salary....?

[Turkish]

Ok, she had zero control of her own company. In what the 'manager' decided to pay himself

 

fair enough

 

Think very carefully Brett, you're getting there. Why would an owner of a company want more governance and why would the employ paid to run the company quit over it?

[Batman]

Think very carefully Brett, you're getting there. Why would an owner of a company want more governance and why would the employ paid to run the company quit over it?

 

I am thinking. Pretty tragic that she had zero control over such salaries of people at the top of her very own company....

You are connecting 'more governance' to cortese self controlled salary....please can you provide the link to that, cheers

 

 

 

anyway, I leave it there and leave you to go on and on and on about cortese

[Turkish]

I am thinking. Pretty tragic that she had zero control over such salaries of people at the top of her very own company....

You are connecting 'more governance' to cortese self controlled salary....please can you provide the link to that, cheers

 

 

 

anyway, I leave it there and leave you to go on and on and on about cortese

 

Yes you're right she should have got shot of him sooner, but she got there in the end. Glad you're seeing sense at last.

[CB Fry]

I am thinking. Pretty tragic that she had zero control over such salaries of people at the top of her very own company....

You are connecting 'more governance' to cortese self controlled salary....please can you provide the link to that, cheers

 

 

 

anyway, I leave it there and leave you to go on and on and on about cortese

So ideally Cortese would have been gone by when for you? The previous Summer? Or maybe straight after promotion?

 

Let us know what would have worked best for you.

[shurlock]

Bigger than Watford?

 

I thought Swansea was everyone's plucky comparator? How about Everton, if we're being serious. They made £31m in gate/matchday and commercial revenues, compared to our £24m, according to latest figures.

 

We've been all told that we'll never be as famous or big as Everton, so I wonder what would count as success in these circumstances. To halve the gap? Roughly, generating an additional £3.5m in revenue?

 

Not crumbs; but nothing like the supposed feast we've missed out on through incompetence and neglect. And nothing like the opportunities available elsewhere - even saving on agents fees, hardly the first strategic priority that comes to mind, is as financially rewarding as maximising gate/matchday and commercial revenues on the above assumptions. Never mind that success on the pitch, not a perfectly executed commercial strategy, remains the best way to bridge these gaps.

Edited 18 February, 2015 by shurlock

[CB Fry]

I thought Swansea was everyone's plucky comparator? How about Everton, if we're being serious. They made £31m in gate/matchday and commercial revenues, compared to our £24m -or roughly 80% of their revenue base, according to latest figures.

 

We've been all told that we'll never be as famous or big as Everton, so I wonder what would count as success in these circumstances. To halve the gap? Roughly, generating an additional £3.5m in revenue?

 

Not crumbs; but nothing like the supposed feast we've missed out through incompetence and neglect. And nothing like the opportunities available elsewhere - even saving on agents fees, hardly the first strategic priority that comes to mind, is as financially rewarding as maximising gate/matchday and commercial revenues. Never mind that success on the pitch, not a perfectly executed commercial strategy, remains the best way to bridge these gaps.

Watford was a specific reference to our commercial performance in our first season up where we had a poorer commercial revenue than than the aforementioned Hertfordshire based Championship club.

[doggface]

Commercially, we have been poor. Seems we are locked into veho for a couple of seasons yet, decent partnership but financially poor for us.

 

The kit deal up at end of next year with adidas will be a great opportunity to increase revenue, but the figures of top 6 are so mental it's crucial to up the deal significantly just to hang on their coat tails.