supersonic Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 As it says above. Apparently didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 Ah well, we should have beaten them after he went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadjg Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 of course he did he was laying on the floor with an open goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 I think probably the opposite, they showed some minor enthusiasm for attacking when they had 11 on the pitch. With ten they built a two line defence in their last third and our disjointed forward line failed to break them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 he got sent off for handing out side the area surely? The replay must have shown a foul on the keeper before hand which in itself is bolloks because the keeper never had control of the ball and Elia was trying to win it!! FA are complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 It's not a goalscoring opportunity with the keeper outside his area and an empty goal ahead of Mane? ummmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 FFS!! Heard it all now. How on earth could that red be possibily overturned??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 I felt the Saints player did maybe perhaps use his arm to pull the keeper back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 he got sent off for handing out side the area surely? The replay must have shown a foul on the keeper before hand which in itself is bolloks because the keeper never had control of the ball and Elia was trying to win it!! FA are complete joke. There's no such thing as a red for handling outside the area. That can be yellow card offense in some cases. You only see red in cases where the handling stops a clear goalscoring opportunity. I think they overturned the card since Mané never had control of the ball which makes it impossible to be a clear goalscoring opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 Good news. If he keeps a clean sheet against Spurs next round, we'll all be very happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 The ref was a joke, overturning one of his correct decisions is even funnier. Has Carlton Cole had his yellow upgraded to a red? #effingclowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndyB Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 Doesn't make any difference to us; we couldn't capitalize on their 10 men- end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joneth Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 Had Adrian not done what he did, how would Mane have managed to not score? Ludicrous decision. Seriously, the referees this season have surely been worse than at any time in the last 20 or so years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 As it says above. Apparently didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity.... He provide one... doh. Actually if Mane had gone on to score at that time, could it have been disallowed for getting tangled up with the keeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 Good news. If he keeps a clean sheet against Spurs next round, we'll all be very happy Jaaskelainen is just as likely to have kept a clean sheet as Adrien. Must be great to have such a good backup keeper on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 Confirms how useless in front of goal saints looked.. Uhoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 Jaaskelainen is just as likely to have kept a clean sheet as Adrien. Must be great to have such a good backup keeper on the bench. Not bad for a 39 year old No disrespect to KD, jaaskelainen has always been a top keeper in my book, id have him as back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 13 February, 2015 Share Posted 13 February, 2015 FA compounding their crass decision to appoint this joke of a referee to the Premier League in the first place by overturning arguably the only big decision he got right all game. Defies belief, they are getting close to Blatter territory in terms of bizarre decisions, complete unaccountability and damaging the game they are supposed to be protecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 FA compounding their crass decision to appoint this joke of a referee to the Premier League in the first place by overturning arguably the only big decision he got right all game. Defies belief, they are getting close to Blatter territory in terms of bizarre decisions, complete unaccountability and damaging the game they are supposed to be protecting. Nonsense . "Damaging the game" , talk about seeing things through red and white glasses. The FA don't even appoint referees , so you're way off the mark there . Graham Poll was on the radio the other day talking about the decision . His view , as a neutral and as a professional referee was that . It could have easily been given a foul by Mane on the keeper in the first place ,and Mane didn't have full control of the ball and wasn't facing the goal when the keeper handled . Therefore there was enough doubt that stopped it being a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity . Poll did say the decision not to sent Cole off was "shocking " which proves he's not just sticking up for refs regardless . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 Nonsense . "Damaging the game" , talk about seeing things through red and white glasses. The FA don't even appoint referees , so you're way off the mark there . Graham Poll was on the radio the other day talking about the decision . His view , as a neutral and as a professional referee was that . It could have easily been given a foul by Mane on the keeper in the first place ,and Mane didn't have full control of the ball and wasn't facing the goal when the keeper handled . Therefore there was enough doubt that stopped it being a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity . Poll did say the decision not to sent Cole off was "shocking " which proves he's not just sticking up for refs regardless . I'm interested as to why no one seems to have noticed that Adrian kicked right through Mane's leg before the "foul" by Mane and then handball. It was inside the area too and should have been a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I'm interested as to why no one seems to have noticed that Adrian kicked right through Mane's leg before the "foul" by Mane and then handball. It was inside the area too and should have been a penalty. Quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I thought just keeper handling outside of the box was auto red card.. Don't agree with it but was told that was officially a rule and presumed true. Anyway regardless funniest thing was Phil Neville calling Mane's challenge a rugby tackle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 There's no such thing as a red for handling outside the area. That can be yellow card offense in some cases. You only see red in cases where the handling stops a clear goalscoring opportunity. I think they overturned the card since Mané never had control of the ball which makes it impossible to be a clear goalscoring opportunity Close, the current interpretation of the Laws States that the ref should take account of the direction of travel when considering a DOGSO and as they were both going away from goal, THAT'S why it's been overturned. Of course, that is tangible nonsense in practical terms and leads to silly shïte like this, but that's refereeing for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I'm interested as to why no one seems to have noticed that Adrian kicked right through Mane's leg before the "foul" by Mane and then handball. It was inside the area too and should have been a penalty. Yeah, I've been banging on about this. The supposed "pull back" was after Adrián hacked Mané's legs in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I thought just keeper handling outside of the box was auto red card.. Don't agree with it but was told that was officially a rule and presumed true. Anyway regardless funniest thing was Phil Neville calling Mane's challenge a rugby tackle.. It isn't. It's usually red because it denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Could easily be yellow if the keeper handles when there's no one within 50 yards of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLiam Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I fail to see how that isn't a goalscoring opportunity. If Adrian hadn't dived on it, Mane clearly would've gotten to it first as they both make contact with the ball at the same time. The only decision of the match that the ref got right and it was overturned...smh. Not that it matters to us though, we still couldn't put the ball in the back of the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I thought just keeper handling outside of the box was auto red card.. Don't agree with it but was told that was officially a rule and presumed true. Anyway regardless funniest thing was Phil Neville calling Mane's challenge a rugby tackle.. Indeed. I watched it several times and Mane doesn't get much contact on the keeper at all. His arm was on him but with very little weight behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I fail to see how that isn't a goalscoring opportunity. If Adrian hadn't dived on it, Mane clearly would've gotten to it first as they both make contact with the ball at the same time. The only decision of the match that the ref got right and it was overturned...smh. Not that it matters to us though, we still couldn't put the ball in the back of the net. Mane's got his back to goal, and there's a defender a yard or so away. Still a fair bit of work to be done before it's a tap-in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurichsaint Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 Actually, it is a debatable one. I knew about the normal denial of goal scoring opportunity only when the player is moving towards the goal, which clearly isn't so in this case. But FIFA has 2 situations listed on their website: There are two sending-off offences that deal with denying an opponent an obvious opportunity to score a goal: - If a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. - If a player denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (direct or indirect) or a penalty kick. While I agree the 2nd (more common) case wouldn't apply, surely Adrian committed the 1st offense? It can't just be for Suarez-esque clearances off the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 I still can't believe the fine for the sahko debacle was less than the prise money for getting through to the next round!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 The ref was a joke, overturning one of his correct decisions is even funnier. Has Carlton Cole had his yellow upgraded to a red? #effingclowns I don't think Cole even got a yellow card - did he ?...or .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 (edited) Just had another red card V West Brom. (West Ham, not Adrian). Edited 14 February, 2015 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 Just had another red card V West Brom. West Ham are, somewhat annoyingly, absolutely dreadful today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 West Ham are, somewhat annoyingly, absolutely dreadful today they were dreadful the other night. just had more 'legs' to defend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 they were dreadful the other night. just had more 'legs' to defend This is a whole new level of dreadfulness today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 Well I would play that video back to Mane and tell what a plonker he is for not going down in agony when Adrian kicks his leg. THAT would have been a stonewall penalty decision and we would have scored and gone home with all three points! The Ref killed the entire game with poor decisions frankly and showing that red was one of them in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 That is completely bonkers, you couldn't get a more obvious goal-scoring opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 That is completely bonkers, you couldn't get a more obvious goal-scoring opportunity. well, you could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 well, you could How was it not an obvious goalscoring opportunity? All Mane had to do was touch the ball to the side and he could pass it into the net. It was way more obvious than the normal red card scenario when the last defender brings the player down, then they still have a goal keeper to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 How was it not an obvious goalscoring opportunity? All Mane had to do was touch the ball to the side and he could pass it into the net. It was way more obvious than the normal red card scenario when the last defender brings the player down, then they still have a goal keeper to beat. the keeper had the ball, he was going away from goal and at least 1 defender was there pretty quickly it was hardly one-on-one with mane running directly at the keeper, alone.... it was a red IMO but I am biased and thought the ref was terrible anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 the keeper had the ball, he was going away from goal and at least 1 defender was there pretty quickly it was hardly one-on-one with mane running directly at the keeper, alone.... it was a red IMO but I am biased and thought the ref was terrible anyway. If the goalkeeper is that position (2 yards outside the box) and the attacker has the ball then it is an obvious opportunity to score a goal regardless of where the defenders are IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 Why are people still arguing over this . A neutral independent body ( as in not saints or west ham supporters) using video evidence overturned it. There is no grey area , red cards can only be overturned if the referee has made a clear and obvious error. Therefore as the rules stand , it was clearly not a red card however much people try and claim it was . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 If the goalkeeper is that position (2 yards outside the box) and the attacker has the ball then it is an obvious opportunity to score a goal regardless of where the defenders are IMO. But mane never had the ball. The keeper had and in a tangle with mane he fell on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 14 February, 2015 Share Posted 14 February, 2015 As it has been over-turned, I think it's actually a shame that the ref gave him the red card in the first place. With 11 men on the pitch I reckon we would have beaten them. But after that incident, the anti-football that WHU played in the hope of not getting beaten was a disgrace to the game really. They might as well have been dug into fox-holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 February, 2015 Share Posted 15 February, 2015 (edited) But mane never had the ball. Only because the keeper dived and grabbed the ball. If the keeper doesn't dive and grab it Mane would have got the ball and had an opportunity to shoot with the keeper stranded. Not an open goal but definitely a goal scoring opportunity. Also, why the f*ck would a goalkeeper dive 2 yards outside the area and grab the ball at a strikers feet if he didn't think it was a goal scoring opportunity? Edited 15 February, 2015 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 15 February, 2015 Share Posted 15 February, 2015 Also, why the f*ck would a goalkeeper dive 2 yards outside the area and grab the ball at a strikers feet if he didn't think it was a goal scoring opportunity? Exactly. Adrian obviously thought it was a goal scoring opportunity or he wouldn't have done what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 February, 2015 Share Posted 15 February, 2015 Only because the keeper dived and grabbed the ball. If the keeper doesn't dive and grab it Mane would have got the ball and had an opportunity to shoot with the keeper stranded. Not an open goal but definitely a goal scoring opportunity. Also, why the f*ck would a goalkeeper dive 2 yards outside the area and grab the ball at a strikers feet if he didn't think it was a goal scoring opportunity? dunno. i thought it was a red but can see why it was over turned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 February, 2015 Share Posted 15 February, 2015 You can argue it all you like but because Mané was running away from goal it isn't a regarded as a goalscoring opportunity under the current IFAB interpretation of the Laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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