Beggars Out In Force in Southampton....

[pap]

There used to be a dude that hung around the New Kings Road in Fulham, accosting people as they disembarked the District Line. Unfailingly, he told complete lies but I nearly always gave him money, because he'd say things like he was using the money to take over the world, etc.

[Saint Mikey]

They sleep rough because in order to have a bed they need to not abuse drink and drugs.

 

Also because they need to be there by a certain time and this curtails the most lucrative time of night, when people are out on the lash.

[Saint in Paradise]

A couple of questions for all of those who give money to beggars, how do you know that they aren't

reasonably well off people just conning you ? How do you know that they don't drive away or get collected

by someone else in a newish car when you have all departed ? Not exactly unknown is it.

[No 2 to Maybush]

You only need 10 people an hour for 10 hours to hand over 2 quid to have a very nice tax-free earner. £48K per year in fact! Even half that would mean them getting more than any of my kids who are working full time.

 

Of course, I haven't included holidays in my calculations - obviously have to make allowances for 2 weeks in the Summer and a week at Christmas.

[Twiggy]

Theres a bloke near me that lives rough, with a dog so full package. Always asking the tourists for money to go to the shelter, never asks the students though... Mostly because we all know he sells pills so really doesn't need the money!

[ecuk268]

If you're asked for a couple of quid "for a cup of coffee", offer to go and get them one.

 

If they accept, they're propably genuine, if they don't then they want the money for other purposes.

[jawillwill]

A couple of questions for all of those who give money to beggars, how do you know that they aren't

reasonably well off people just conning you ? How do you know that they don't drive away or get collected

by someone else in a newish car when you have all departed ? Not exactly unknown is it.

 

Bill Gates will be ****ed off now that his secret is out.

 

Are you really concerned by this possibility?

[tpbury]

One reason I am happier in Brisbane than in Manchester.

 

We're lead to believe the Australian economy is in crisis and everything's going to s hit, but there are very few homeless people. I have been hassled a handful of times around Fortitude Valley station in the last 5 years. That's the equivalent of Camden or Brixton where you basically have to have your fkoff face on the minute you come out. No homeless hassle anywhere else in the city I've been, though I don't frequent the slightly rougher areas.

 

Point is, even in outer suburbs of British cities, you get the hustle, so many people off on their arse or taking the mickey. Doesn't happen here.

[Lighthouse]

I was surprised at the number of beggars I saw hanging around Stockholm. Partly because it's in one of the most socially advanced countries in the world and partly because it's fkin freezing in winter.

[pap]

This is fkn genius.

 

Southampton buskers tackle this very issue.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQBAu0Yypk

 

Quite catchy too.

[Wes Tender]

This is fkn genius.

 

Southampton buskers tackle this very issue.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQBAu0Yypk

 

Quite catchy too.

A clever song, ruined as a busking routine by the gratuitous use of the "f" word in a public place. I would expect many people, especially parents of young children, to be offended and I would also expect that they could be prosecuted for it as a public order offence.

[pap]

A clever song, ruined as a busking routine by the gratuitous use of the "f" word in a public place. I would expect many people, especially parents of young children, to be offended and I would also expect that they could be prosecuted for it as a public order offence.

 

I doubt it. The complainants would have to admit to being c**ts, which would offend them more.

 

What's more offensive? Hearing something that an 11 year old would say, or giving all your money to already-loaded people?

[hypochondriac]

I doubt it. The complainants would have to admit to being c**ts, which would offend them more.

 

What's more offensive? Hearing something that an 11 year old would say, or giving all your money to already-loaded people?

 

I think they make a good point but that point would have been markedly better and more inclusive had they decided not to swear so loudly in public. Could quite easily have conveyed the message of the song without it. Agreed?

[pap]

I think they make a good point but that point would have been markedly better and more inclusive had they decided not to swear so loudly in public. Could quite easily have conveyed the message of the song without it. Agreed?

 

Nah, I think swearing is an essential part of it. Conveys the disrespect from the elites to those they take their money from.

 

What next? A conformist and clean ending for "Killing in the Name Of"...?

[hypochondriac]

Nah, I think swearing is an essential part of it. Conveys the disrespect from the elites to those they take their money from.

 

What next? A conformist and clean ending for "Killing in the Name Of"...?

 

If killing in the name of was sung in the middle of the street in broad daylight then yes. If they wanted to sing the song with the swearing left in then why not do it somewhere where the swearing is considered acceptable? Didn't expect you to agree anyway, you enjoy being deliberately obtuse.

[pap]

If killing in the name of was sung in the middle of the street in broad daylight then yes. If they wanted to sing the song with the swearing left in then why not do it somewhere where the swearing is considered acceptable? Didn't expect you to agree anyway, you enjoy being deliberately obtuse.

 

Swearing is no big deal, not something my kids were ever banned from doing. I simply don't get as upset about it as some of the rest of you fragile flowers.

[Chez]

if beggars need money to feed their crack addition, perhaps we need to give generously to prevent them turning to crime.

[hypochondriac]

Swearing is no big deal, not something my kids were ever banned from doing. I simply don't get as upset about it as some of the rest of you fragile flowers.

 

As usual displaying no empathy for others. Certainly wouldn't want my two and three year old relatives listening to that.

[pap]

As usual displaying no empathy for others. Certainly wouldn't want my two and three year old relatives listening to that.

 

How would they even know what it meant, if they live in your swear-word free utopia?

 

Wouldn't it be like saying "carburetor" in front of them?

[SuperMikey]

As usual displaying no empathy for others. Certainly wouldn't want my two and three year old relatives listening to that.

 

They're going to learn what the word f*ck means sooner or later, might as well hear it from some crusty buskers outside Primark so they know there's a negative connotation to it..

[Window Cleaner]

How would they even know what it meant, if they live in your swear-word free utopia?

 

Wouldn't it be like saying "carburetor" in front of them?

 

Carburators no longer exist on any grand scale so it might inspire them to do a bit of historical research.

[hypochondriac]

How would they even know what it meant, if they live in your swear-word free utopia?

 

Wouldn't it be like saying "carburetor" in front of them?

 

I see what you mean. Might as well start shouting c*nt as I walk down the street and see how long it takes to get arrested.

[pap]

I see what you mean. Might as well start shouting c*nt as I walk down the street and see how long it takes to get arrested.

 

Better idea.

 

Walk around town with a large sign saying "I am hypo from SaintsWeb" and see how long it takes for someone else to get arrested.

[hypochondriac]

How would they even know what it meant, if they live in your swear-word free utopia?

 

Wouldn't it be like saying "carburetor" in front of them?

 

And not sure why you have to exaggerate so much. I swear what i consider to be a normal amount but when I'm out in public I try to moderate my language and topics of conversation because I understand that some people would rather I didn't do it. It isn't too difficult a task to show some consideration for others.

[hypochondriac]

They're going to learn what the word f*ck means sooner or later, might as well hear it from some crusty buskers outside Primark so they know there's a negative connotation to it..

 

By that logic they are going to understand what hardcore porn is sooner or later. Doesn't mean I'm going to plonk them in front of xvideos.

[pap]

And not sure why you have to exaggerate so much. I swear what i consider to be a normal amount but when I'm out in public I try to moderate my language and topics of conversation because I understand that some people would rather I didn't do it. It isn't too difficult a task to show some consideration for others.

 

Go watch South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncút.

 

Perhaps then you will understand.

[SuperMikey]

By that logic they are going to understand what hardcore porn is sooner or later. Doesn't mean I'm going to plonk them in front of xvideos.

 

Certainly would've improved my childhood..

[Wes Tender]

I doubt it. The complainants would have to admit to being c**ts, which would offend them more.

 

What's more offensive? Hearing something that an 11 year old would say, or giving all your money to already-loaded people?

 

You doubt that they would be prosecuted for singing "f*ck" out loud with an amplication system that made it audible to half the High Street?

 

And the complainants might well consider themselves to be decent upstanding citizens and that it would be people like you that are the c*nts, although of course they would express that sentiment in more polite terms than you are capable of.

 

Just because you would not be offended by it, doesn't mean that others shouldn't be.

[pap]

You doubt that they would be prosecuted for singing "f*ck" out loud with an amplication system that made it audible to half the High Street?

 

And the complainants might well consider themselves to be decent upstanding citizens and that it would be people like you that are the c*nts, although of course they would express that sentiment in more polite terms than you are capable of.

 

Just because you would not be offended by it, doesn't mean that others shouldn't be.

 

It's not a question of capability. I could just as easily describe them as people with priorities that are totally askew, that don't realise that their offence is what gives these words their power in the first place.

 

Besides, swearing is f**king cool. And offends c**ts.

[Wes Tender]

It's not a question of capability. I could just as easily describe them as people with priorities that are totally askew, that don't realise that their offence is what gives these words their power in the first place.

 

Besides, swearing is f**king cool. And offends c**ts.

 

You go on deluding yourself that it is cool instead of being boorish behaviour that is inconsiderate of others. I wouldn't expect anything more of you.

[pap]

You go on deluding yourself that it is cool instead of being boorish behaviour that is inconsiderate of others. I wouldn't expect anything more of you.

 

I'm only really being inconsiderate of others' delusions.

Edited 12 March, 2015 by pap

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

A couple of questions for all of those who give money to beggars, how do you know that they aren't

reasonably well off people just conning you ? How do you know that they don't drive away or get collected

by someone else in a newish car when you have all departed ? Not exactly unknown is it.

 

My dear chap, the answer to your singular question is that you should bring this twisted matter to the attention of a certain Mr S Holmes of 221b Baker St, London NW1 - who will no doubt deal with the problem with his customary degree of brusque efficiency.

 

By the way, I do believe this is the first occasion the word 'brusque' has ever been employed on any football forum. So even if you don't agree with a word a say, you just can't deny that I do bring a certain 'touch of class' to proceedings on occasion.

 

[Special K]

This is fkn genius.

 

Southampton buskers tackle this very issue.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQBAu0Yypk

 

Quite catchy too.

 

I rather liked that. Personally, I cannot see a problem with the swearing, but that prob because i'm a pottymouth myself. Actually, I think it rather fits in with the tone of the song and is certainly no worse than my kids and I are subjected to when using pedestrian crossings and some nipper has his badass rap songs blaring out of the windows of his kitted out Corsa.

[pap]

I rather liked that. Personally, I cannot see a problem with the swearing, but that prob because i'm a pottymouth myself. Actually, I think it rather fits in with the tone of the song and is certainly no worse than my kids and I are subjected to when using pedestrian crossings and some nipper has his badass rap songs blaring out of the windows of his kitted out Corsa.

 

Yup, sounds like a nursery rhyme compared to say, NWA.

 

Quite funny, really. I am amused by how easily people are sidetracked by a bit of blue language. Can you imagine these people at war?

 

"Sir. The fúcking enemy is right on top of us!"

"I'm sorry, old bean. Did you just say the f-word? That's not on you kn....."

 

Bullets. Silence.

[Wes Tender]

Yup, sounds like a nursery rhyme compared to say, NWA.

 

Quite funny, really. I am amused by how easily people are sidetracked by a bit of blue language. Can you imagine these people at war?

 

"Sir. The fúcking enemy is right on top of us!"

"I'm sorry, old bean. Did you just say the f-word? That's not on you kn....."

 

Bullets. Silence.

 

The prize for the most crap analogy of the year goes to you, Pap.

 

Comparing the concern voiced towards young children hearing the worst swear words with soldiers on a battle field hearing them, is right up there among the most feeble of thought processes.

 

Read that last sentence again, and try to take it in that the annoyance at the use of bad language is on behalf of parents of young children. In other words, it involves consideration for others, which doesn't seem to be something high on your agenda.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I think that there is a time and a place for almost anything in this world. It may be however that performing songs in the street that are laced with obscene language during broad daylight, a setting where people (including children) who might be offended by that behavior are virtually certain to be present, is not that appropriate 'time and place'. There was a time not so long ago when this would have been obvious and accepted by nearly everyone.

 

I say that if we choose to live in society where we are surrounded by other people, people who don't necessarily share in the same set of values as we do, then it seems to me we have to at least make some attempt to balance our right to express ourselves freely with the duty we owe others to behave in a reasonable and temperate manner.

 

Many will applaud the street busker's shown above - and the message of their song is not a bad one - but I tend to think the Police should be called to move them on.

[pap]

The prize for the most crap analogy of the year goes to you, Pap.

 

Comparing the concern voiced towards young children hearing the worst swear words with soldiers on a battle field hearing them, is right up there among the most feeble of thought processes.

 

Read that last sentence again, and try to take it in that the annoyance at the use of bad language is on behalf of parents of young children. In other words, it involves consideration for others, which doesn't seem to be something high on your agenda.

 

Certainly not with swear words. I mean, let's examine the sort of wánker that thinks like that. Why would you? Oh, it's because someone told you it was bad back when you were wrong, possibly punished for it, and despite all the more important crap going on in the world, you still think it is important.

 

These are the people you are asking me to consider. Why the fúck should I?

[Wes Tender]

Certainly not with swear words. I mean, let's examine the sort of wánker that thinks like that. Why would you? Oh, it's because someone told you it was bad back when you were wrong, possibly punished for it, and despite all the more important crap going on in the world, you still think it is important.

 

These are the people you are asking me to consider. Why the fúck should I?

 

Because you came up with such a crap analogy, I'm taking the view that it isn't worth debating this with you further, as you aren't up to accepting sensible responses like that which CEC gave above yours. You're probably just being a WUM over it all anyway.

 

By the way, you're getting a right walloping from Verbal on that other fred.

[pap]

Because you came up with such a crap analogy, I'm taking the view that it isn't worth debating this with you further, as you aren't up to accepting sensible responses like that which CEC gave above yours. You're probably just being a WUM over it all anyway.

 

By the way, you're getting a right walloping from Verbal on that other fred.

 

Well, here's the thing.

 

Given that we've successfully identified you as the sort of person that gets upset at stuff an 11 year old would find amusing, I'm not sure it matters what your opinions on other matters are.

 

I think it's cute that you tried to assess the performance of others after your own failure and your public pronouncement that you're taking your ball home.

 

Bless.

Edited 12 March, 2015 by pap