Lets B Avenue Posted 22 June, 2015 Share Posted 22 June, 2015 The Club is a shambles. Bransgrove flashed a lot of money to get the stadium built and flashes more to hire players from abroad in short spells but that is not the way to build a team or a spirit or an ethos. It's the Pompey way not the Southampton way. Who is responsible for team selection? And who is responsible for the academy? Feeding the young ones into the team is just not working and when it did work outstandingly well (Bates) they sack him! Before you start your criticism of Mr Bransgrove you should have done some research. He no longer puts money into the club. He has no influence over the playing team or recruitment. He is merely a figurehead Chairman now although of course they listen to his wise counsel when they ask him. The club has Bransgrove as Chairman of the board, MD/Financial Director who is David Mann, Commercial Director who is Stuart Robinson (the man who invented the T20 format when at the ECB) and Tim Tremlett who is Company Secretary Giles White is director of Cricket and the one responsible for recruitment/contracts etc. Dale Benkenstein is First Team Coach, Tony Middleton is 1st Team Batting Coach. Charlie Freeston and Craig White are 2nd Team Coaches and Bobby Parks is the Academy Director Why keep going on about Bates! he may be the best gloveman but he is no batsman. He scored a few 4's but otherwise looked his old awkward self. We love him to bits at the Ageas Bowl Who would you drop and who would you bring in? We are back in the 1st division after a splendid season in 2014. We at the Ageas Bowl all knew it was going to be tough. Look at the number of teams that go up only to come down again. 7th in the table will be a decent result for us. You can only blood the occasional second 11 player. We are doing that with Terry and a young Wheal. Well said Weston. Having seen the replay of his dismissal, it was as we thought at the time, the usual case of Bates being bowled by a straight ball, by playing forward with a gate big enough to drive a bus through. However, he did get a hundred in 2012, so its scandalous that we dropped him. Pitch wasn't particularly easy today. Berg's and Wheater's in particular. Probably just the excuse ECB need to give us another points deduction. I hear we are appealing the disciplinary one. Assume Vince is currently being told that he will get picked for England if he moves to Liver.... sorry, Lancashire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 The Somerset commentators are being very complimentary about bates and his impact on their team. Meanwhile we are now 69 for 4 and hope is ebbing away. Will we even manage to make them bat again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 This team has neither heart nor leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Before you start your criticism of Mr Bransgrove you should have done some research. He no longer puts money into the club. He has no influence over the playing team or recruitment. He is merely a figurehead Chairman now although of course they listen to his wise counsel when they ask him. The club has Bransgrove as Chairman of the board, MD/Financial Director who is David Mann, Commercial Director who is Stuart Robinson (the man who invented the T20 format when at the ECB) and Tim Tremlett who is Company Secretary Giles White is director of Cricket and the one responsible for recruitment/contracts etc. Dale Benkenstein is First Team Coach, Tony Middleton is 1st Team Batting Coach. Charlie Freeston and Craig White are 2nd Team Coaches and Bobby Parks is the Academy Director Why keep going on about Bates! he may be the best gloveman but he is no batsman. He scored a few 4's but otherwise looked his old awkward self. We love him to bits at the Ageas Bowl Who would you drop and who would you bring in? We are back in the 1st division after a splendid season in 2014. We at the Ageas Bowl all knew it was going to be tough. Look at the number of teams that go up only to come down again. 7th in the table will be a decent result for us. You can only blood the occasional second 11 player. We are doing that with Terry and a young Wheal. Thanks, good to know who is in charge of what. I hope they are all considering their positions, who can actually sack them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 262 all out - a bit better than the first innings but most of the batsmen failed again. It is all rather depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Gareth Berg has been the one consistent performer in the championship this season, good to see him getting another score and handful of wickets. The rest just don't seem quite up to it - perhaps the gap between D1 and D2 is bigger than it was when we were last up here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Some of them don't seem quite up FOR it. They just roll over far too easily. We lost by 9 wickets and I think that is very poor - a shabby performance by the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 You had to be there to understand what was happening. Yes we were outplayed by an accurate bowling team. No doubt about that but some of the balls our players got out to were near unplayable and Dawson second innings was a definite bat pad not lbw. We all heard two noises and Dawson's reaction said it all. Hope we do not have a further disciplinary issue!! It was not until the afternoon that the wicket settled. We had far the worse conditions when batting. It seamed, spat and kept low. Somerset bowlers knew how to use it best with line and length. Team is together but not firing. Tomo has bowled worse than I have seen him for a while. He did injure his toe on the first day but this is not the first bad match for him. Ervine has broken a finger. Bird does not look worth his overseas status. He must be the only Australian bowler who cannot bat! On a brighter note the club are aware Edwards wants a permanent deal and are in talks. He is very happy here which answers anyone who asks what the dressing room is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 25 June, 2015 Share Posted 25 June, 2015 There seem to be long periods without a game nowadays - the next one is tomorrow in the T20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 (edited) There seem to be long periods without a game nowadays - the next one is tomorrow in the T20. Which is now today, hope it's an easy wicket with short boundaries because our bowling is getting lambasted, Essex 61 without loss from 6 Strewth, we are getting massacred, 112 now from 10 overs and 4 balls, still no wicket down. Mind you when Will Smith opens the bowling you'd kinda expect that. Edited 26 June, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Well this has gone well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Well this has gone well... Club seems to be coming apart at the seams. How can your bowling get spanked like that in a 20 over game? After that batting becomes impossible because you need nigh on 11 an over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Club seems to be coming apart at the seams. How can your bowling get spanked like that in a 20 over game? After that batting becomes impossible because you need nigh on 11 To be fair when your bowling gets spanked like that it tends to be a 20 over game! (power plays, shorter boundaries etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Club seems to be coming apart at the seams. How can your bowling get spanked like that in a 20 over game? After that batting becomes impossible because you need nigh on 11 To be fair when your bowling gets spanked like that it tends to be a 20 over game! (power plays, shorter boundaries etc) Which is why of course OUR batting came up 70 odd short. Will Smith opening the bowling doesn't seem like a recipe for success in one day cricket really. They all got hammered and from the little that I saw of the game they were rank awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Funny that because Will Smith is top of the T20 bowling averages for Hampshire with an economy rate of 7.45 and having bowled 33 overs in 9 matches. In most of those games he has opened the bowling as he did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Which is why of course OUR batting came up 70 odd short. Will Smith opening the bowling doesn't seem like a recipe for success in one day cricket really. They all got hammered and from the little that I saw of the game they were rank awful. Mate you can't win em all! I thnk he opened thebowling alot last year and we got to finals day! We're still in the top four this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Club seems to be coming apart at the seams. How can your bowling get spanked like that in a 20 over game? After that batting becomes impossible because you need nigh on 11 an over. To be fair, it's Chelmsford. It's a tiny postage stamp of a ground where 180 is a below-par score. I was amazed that Vince chose to bowl first on that wicket considering the likely effect of scoreboard pressure. Chasing 11 an over was doable in theory but you're always up against it because you never think you've got time to assess the pitch as a batsman, despite only needing three scoring shots per over to be up with the rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 To be fair, it's Chelmsford. It's a tiny postage stamp of a ground where 180 is a below-par score. So 134 is what exactly ?? If we'd limited them to 180 it might have been a whole different affair really. Catastrophically bad bowling, 61 off of 6 is bad,212 from 20 is just rank amateur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 So 134 is what exactly ?? If we'd limited them to 180 it might have been a whole different affair really. Catastrophically bad bowling, 61 off of 6 is bad,212 from 20 is just rank amateur. Don't panic mate! I'm going to my first game this year on Friday, hoping the return of Sean 'The Slug' Ervine will prove the crucial factor in our dismantling of Cardiff. I haven't seen us lose for 4 years so the omens are promising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Don't panic mate! I'm going to my first game this year on Friday, hoping the return of Sean 'The Slug' Ervine will prove the crucial factor in our dismantling of Cardiff. I haven't seen us lose for 4 years so the omens are promising! No but seriously we've had a very bad week, 2 T20 losses in a row punctuated by an utter humiliation in the Championship. We just do not have the players we need to compete just now. Edwards get's his act into shape..hup off to some other championship for a while. Vince is right out of form and we're playing makeweights such as Terry and the lad from last night. The only thing you can say really is that another week as bad as the last is extremely unlikely from a probability point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 We were spanked by Essex - confidence must be low now. Why on earth did we put them in to bat first?? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Put in at Lords. Adams out 4th ball for 0. Vince back, but a line up that has Gatting for Ervine doesn't inspire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Put in at Lords. Adams out 4th ball for 0. Vince back, but a line up that has Gatting for Ervine doesn't inspire. Cannot understand why Dawson is not playing! He was in the squad for Fridays T20 which was strange as he was playing for the seconds in a 50 over against Essex at Ageas owl which we won. Then he was in the squad for today and is on the scorecard produced! I am not at Lords but have sent a text to get a friend of mine to see if he can find out the reason. Dawson did react to his poor LBW decision last week. I wonder if the two are linked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Dawson's had a poor season (mainly due to him opening when he isn't an opener!) so being left out isn't entirely surprising but disappointed that's for Gatting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 So 134 is what exactly ?? It's crap, obviously, but it's scoreboard pressure requiring 11 an over from the off, which is why I was so surprised we put them in having won the toss. If we were batting first, and able to just put a score together in our own way, without the cluttered thinking of "oh ****, got to score 11 an over every over", we could have got to 180-200 ourselves and then all of a sudden the pressure's on Essex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 I'm sure that someone will be along soon to explain today's batting catastrophy to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 I'm sure that someone will be along soon to explain today's batting catastrophy to us. I'll have a go......we are crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Sorry but we are a f..in embarrassment. . Great ground, wonderful facilities , utterly useless team and coaching. Bransgrove needs to clean house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 My one hope was that the pitcher was bowler friendly...then I see Gatting has got his 50. I can only assume Middlesex will declare tomorrow at Tea 674 for 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Sorry but we are a f..in embarrassment. . Great ground, wonderful facilities , utterly useless team and coaching. Bransgrove needs to clean house the team is not useless but I'm beginning to think that the coaching might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Keeping them to under 7 an over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Keeping them to under 7 an over. Progress there then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 It cant be easy going from T20 to four day cricket Middx are rubbish at T20 but have decent 4 day bowlers which we dont. I am really going to enjoy myself at Lords tomorrow have not seen them there for ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 The 4 day team is the epitomy of everything that is wrong with 4 day cricket in this country - a team full of journeyman, old foreign players and kolpaks, dibbly dibbly bowlers who wouldnt scare my 10 yr old, a spinner who hasnt developed and batters who score at 1.5 an over The club needs to rip it up and start again - from the ground up - unless all they want to be is a 20-20 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Another very poor day apart from Gatting. Our batting has lost all confidence at present! Our bowling is weak. We have made a big mistake with Bird. He is not good enough to fit the overseas position so far and he has had enough time. No balls and at least one 4 per over is just not good enough. Wheal is a rooky playing his first year of 4 day cricket. Tomlinson is either injured or rested. Either way he has not been up to standard this season. Edwards is not back until end of July. By then it might be too late! As for up and coming Tom Alsop 19 - Left Hand Bat who is also a Wicket Keeper - England Under 19 Lewis McManus 20 - Wicket Keeper who is also a decent bat - England Under 19 Brad Taylor 18 - Right Arm Offbreak - England Under 19 Tom Barber 19 - Left Arm Fast Medium - England under 19 All are part of the First Team Squad but not ready yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Another very poor day apart from Gatting. Our batting has lost all confidence at present! Our bowling is weak. We have made a big mistake with Bird. He is not good enough to fit the overseas position so far and he has had enough time. No balls and at least one 4 per over is just not good enough. Wheal is a rooky playing his first year of 4 day cricket. Tomlinson is either injured or rested. Either way he has not been up to standard this season. Edwards is not back until end of July. By then it might be too late! As for up and coming Tom Alsop 19 - Left Hand Bat who is also a Wicket Keeper - England Under 19 Lewis McManus 20 - Wicket Keeper who is also a decent bat - England Under 19 Brad Taylor 18 - Right Arm Offbreak - England Under 19 Tom Barber 19 - Left Arm Fast Medium - England under 19 All are part of the First Team Squad but not ready yet. Could they do any worse? Throw a few in, tell them to play without fear and see how they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 June, 2015 Share Posted 28 June, 2015 Could they do any worse? Throw a few in, tell them to play without fear and see how they do The worry is throwing them in and their career gets set back years through the loss of confidence through being hit around everywhere. The Simon Kerrigan effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 Another very poor day apart from Gatting. Our batting has lost all confidence at present! Our bowling is weak. We have made a big mistake with Bird. He is not good enough to fit the overseas position so far and he has had enough time. No balls and at least one 4 per over is just not good enough. Wheal is a rooky playing his first year of 4 day cricket. Tomlinson is either injured or rested. Either way he has not been up to standard this season. Edwards is not back until end of July. By then it might be too late! As for up and coming Tom Alsop 19 - Left Hand Bat who is also a Wicket Keeper - England Under 19 Lewis McManus 20 - Wicket Keeper who is also a decent bat - England Under 19 Brad Taylor 18 - Right Arm Offbreak - England Under 19 Tom Barber 19 - Left Arm Fast Medium - England under 19 All are part of the First Team Squad but not ready yet. Tom Barber is thinking of quitting professional cricket at the end of this season I am lead to believe. Disillusioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 Middlesex 115 for 5 at present - looks like our bowlers have stuck at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 I'm at Lord's at the moment, bowling well so far but Middlesex bat deep! No obvious demons in the pitch. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 I'm at Lord's at the moment, bowling well so far but Middlesex bat deep! No obvious demons in the pitch. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Excellent bowling all round today by the looks of it, even Wheal has got a couple of wickets, pity he had that wayward over that went for 12 or 13 yesterday because his figures wouldn't be all that bad otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 We spoke too soon - 230 for 6 and starting to build a significant lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 Tom Barber is thinking of quitting professional cricket at the end of this season I am lead to believe. Disillusioned. Not really a surprise when you have to play for those coaches is it? Best advice for the lad is to transfer to another county where he'll properly developed. You've only got to look at Chris Wood's decline - and he's still comparatively young - to see what will happen if he stays at Hants being a left armer. Although he's a spinner, Briggs is another example of another good bowler ruined by Hampshire. Giles White should have gone after the last relegation and the end of this match deserves to be the end of his tenure. Average player in the poorest Hampshire side in my memory as well. Dale isn't working out either although I'd be tempted to stick with him and bring in a specialist batting coach, particularly to sort out Adams' and Vince's form. Don't know what we do about Adams, been so reliable over the years but if we had anyone else we could bring in, I'd loan him to a D2 side so he could get some confidence back against second XI standard bowling. The D1 stuff, as Overton and Harris have showed us recently, is rather quicker and more probing than the old D2 medium pace club filth. Tomlinson has found out just how big the gap is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 (edited) Not really a surprise when you have to play for those coaches is it? Best advice for the lad is to transfer to another county where he'll properly developed. You've only got to look at Chris Wood's decline - and he's still comparatively young - to see what will happen if he stays at Hants being a left armer. Although he's a spinner, Briggs is another example of another good bowler ruined by Hampshire. Giles White should have gone after the last relegation and the end of this match deserves to be the end of his tenure. Average player in the poorest Hampshire side in my memory as well. Dale isn't working out either although I'd be tempted to stick with him and bring in a specialist batting coach, particularly to sort out Adams' and Vince's form. Don't know what we do about Adams, been so reliable over the years but if we had anyone else we could bring in, I'd loan him to a D2 side so he could get some confidence back against second XI standard bowling. The D1 stuff, as Overton and Harris have showed us recently, is rather quicker and more probing than the old D2 medium pace club filth. Tomlinson has found out just how big the gap is now. I will just comment on your dig at the coaches over Wood's decline. I did post it a few weeks ago Wood's knee problem is degenerative and he is not fit and regrettably may never be fit for all types of the game. At present they are restricting his work load to 1 day cricket but as that programe comes to an end he may get a couple of 4 day games at the back end of the season And they do have a batting coach. Tony Middleton Edited 29 June, 2015 by Weston Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 29 June, 2015 Share Posted 29 June, 2015 Playing devils advocate for a second, if we continue playing like we are would it be a disaster if we went down? I can't imagine you take any financial hit by going down. If we stay up we will just try and limp on with the same mish mash of old pros and kolpacts. If we go down it might give evetyone a kick up the arse & re-think our strategy/ recruitment model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 So now we are to loan out Dawson as they cannot find a place for him in the first team for either Championship or 1 day Cricket despite all the investment put into the Academy and Colts. Decent spinner with 94 wickets at 36.70 but Briggs is the team spinner. One of the best 2nd slip catches in England, a decent batsman with 4600 runs to his name at 32.62. Yet we have Gatting in the side who is an import and a year older, has an average of 27.49 and has a big weakness outside of off stump, only two wickets and not a slip fielder of any note! Feel very sorry for Liam but whispers have been about for a few weeks now. I suspect he has been the one pushing the issue of late At least he should get first team cricket and hopefully prove to our club that he is an asset and Hampshire through and through. Likewise it should mean Sean Terry should have a run in the side to see if he can emulate his dad as a Hampshire opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 liam dawson @daws128 To clarify I'm going on loan as I want to play first team cricket, Thanks to Hampshire for agreeing to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Ervine out for 6 weeks after having a pin inserted in his broken finger. Big blow in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Ervine out for 6 weeks after having a pin inserted in his broken finger. Big blow in my opinion Agreed. He's been one of our more consistent performers, which admittedly isn't actually saying much. Where's Dawson going? We really are an absolute shambles on and off the pitch at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 We are two down and still about 100 behind - it's woeful. Both Adams and especially Carberry seem seriously out of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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