Repat Saint Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Hey all, Quick post as this is doing the rounds on my FB: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage In it Scudamore basically comes off as a **** saying he's comfortable with footballers earning £100k+ per week while club employees might be on the minimum wage. Just wanted to know what people on here think, and would people want to submit a petition to the club to pay at least the living wage - which FYI is: Living Wage: £7.85p / hour = £314 / week = ~£16.5k / year vs Minimum Wage: £6.50 / hour = £260 / week = £10.5k / year Which I honestly do not think is gonna break the bank or change the amount the club can spend on the pitch. Especially given the whole community spirit and 'more than a club' philosophy the top brass are putting out, I think it would be good for Chelski not to be the only club committed to the Living Wage. Thoughts?
The Cat Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 They really should. Do we employ people on zero hour contracts? I presume some of the Halo staff are but then they aren't directly employed by the club.
Bearsy Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Hi Repat Saint I Think Ur Maths Is Wrong In The Minimum Wage Example
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Hey all, Quick post as this is doing the rounds on my FB: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage In it Scudamore basically comes off as a **** saying he's comfortable with footballers earning £100k+ per week while club employees might be on the minimum wage. Just wanted to know what people on here think, and would people want to submit a petition to the club to pay at least the living wage - which FYI is: Living Wage: £7.85p / hour = £314 / week = ~£16.5k / year vs Minimum Wage: £6.50 / hour = £260 / week = £10.5k / year Which I honestly do not think is gonna break the bank or change the amount the club can spend on the pitch. Especially given the whole community spirit and 'more than a club' philosophy the top brass are putting out, I think it would be good for Chelski not to be the only club committed to the Living Wage. Thoughts? Club should just pay the market value, same as any other job.
Repat Saint Posted 11 February, 2015 Author Posted 11 February, 2015 Yep, you're right, the annual for Minimum Wage should read: Minimum Wage: £6.50 / hour = £260 / week = £13.5k / year And 'Market Value' depends very heavily on your definition. The minimum wage is actually a wage on which people need benefits to survive - ie it is actually BELOW the true market value. Companies that pay the minimum wage are actually using benefits as a government subsidy for their low wages.
St Chalet Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Opportunistic nonsense from the lefties. If clubs can attract people to work for that then fair enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
bridge too far Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Yep, you're right, the annual for Minimum Wage should read: Minimum Wage: £6.50 / hour = £260 / week = £13.5k / year And 'Market Value' depends very heavily on your definition. The minimum wage is actually a wage on which people need benefits to survive - ie it is actually BELOW the true market value. Companies that pay the minimum wage are actually using benefits as a government subsidy for their low wages. There you go - you and me and everyone else paying taxes to SUBSIDISE a wealthy football club. Disgraceful
trousers Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Opportunistic nonsense from the lefties. If clubs can attract people to work for that then fair enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Calling pap to the main board please. Pap to the main board. # Outrage opportunity klaxon #
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Yep, you're right, the annual for Minimum Wage should read: Minimum Wage: £6.50 / hour = £260 / week = £13.5k / year And 'Market Value' depends very heavily on your definition. The minimum wage is actually a wage on which people need benefits to survive - ie it is actually BELOW the true market value. Companies that pay the minimum wage are actually using benefits as a government subsidy for their low wages. Says who? How many people do we employ at this rate? Which roles does it cover? How many actually full time employees?
CB Fry Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Why should we give hand outs to people just because they happen to be employed by us? That's just like Tesco giving money to a corner shop or something.
The Cat Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Calling pap to the main board please. Pap to the main board. # Outrage opportunity klaxon # He's currently being noshed off by Lou in the Farmhouse bogs.
CB Fry Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 He's currently being noshed off by Lou in the Farmhouse bogs. If it feels good and it doesn't hurt anyone, do it. That's what I say.
bridge too far Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Why should we give hand outs to people just because they happen to be employed by us? That's just like Tesco giving money to a corner shop or something. Actually the corner shop is probably subsidising Tesco by paying taxes to provide in work benefits for Tesco employees.
Redslo Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Actually the corner shop is probably subsidising Tesco by paying taxes to provide in work benefits for Tesco employees. I think, but am not 100 percent certain, that was kind of his point.
Saintandy666 Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 I emailed the club about whether they pay the living wage a while back. I got a reply that they would 'pass it on to the management' (i.e ignore the email) Maybe more of us could email en mass? Find out whether we do, and if not start a petition. It's really important people are paid enough to live on and even more so at companies like Southampton who can afford to pay their cleaners £7.85 an hour so they can live with dignity.
Manuel Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 But could you cope if Saints couldn't afford to buy the next Mane, because of the lack of funds due to increased wages for employees?
CB Fry Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 But could you cope if Saints couldn't afford to buy the next Mane, because of the lack of funds due to increased wages for employees? Yes, incredibly easily.
Cheeky Monkey Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Saints used to be a community club.... So look after the community and spend a few 100k a year more on wages for folk at the bottom and pay living wage.... Go for it
Manuel Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Yes, incredibly easily. Yeah me too. I think it's poor to expect grown adults to live on £6.50 per hour. Probably counterproductive for society too. Any extra they earn will just go back into the economy anyway.
tajjuk Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Would be nice if we did considering the TV deals and the absurd wages players get.
ThorpG Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Opportunistic nonsense from the lefties. If clubs can attract people to work for that then fair enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I hardly think it is left wing to suggest that in a business where some employees earn tens of thousands each week, the Living Wage could be paid at the lower end of the scale. It would just seem a reasonable thing to do...
Saxon Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Yeah me too. I think it's poor to expect grown adults to live on £6.50 per hour. Probably counterproductive for society too. Any extra they earn will just go back into the economy anyway. The club should pay the living wage, there is no question. With the increase in revenues it is not really on to pay minimum wage, it doesn't matter what the job is. Also, as people have said, with the whole "community club" message being broadcast from St Mary's these days, this would be a big boost to the credibility of that.
StUrrock Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Embarrassing that we don't already. And that Chelsea are the only Premier league club that do - can't believe they can claim a moral advantage over us. Strange too - given the club seems to be very keen on small tweaks to make marginal improvements here and there. This would seem an easy way to get everyone at the club on side. Think a petition is the least we should do.
Window Cleaner Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Saints used to be a community club.... So look after the community and spend a few 100k a year more on wages for folk at the bottom and pay living wage.... Go for it And do we know that they don't ??
St Chalet Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 I hardly think it is left wing to suggest that in a business where some employees earn tens of thousands each week, the Living Wage could be paid at the lower end of the scale. It would just seem a reasonable thing to do... Maybe a little tongue in cheek, but the wages of our top start are dictated by supply and demand - no reason to believe we should apply any different down the line.
Redslo Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Maybe a little tongue in cheek, but the wages of our top start are dictated by supply and demand - no reason to believe we should apply any different down the line. Sure there is. People at the bottom have little or no leverage to negotiate their salaries and, therefore, are subject to being underpaid and exploited. Responsible employers do not do that.
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 I emailed the club about whether they pay the living wage a while back. I got a reply that they would 'pass it on to the management' (i.e ignore the email) Maybe more of us could email en mass? Find out whether we do, and if not start a petition. It's really important people are paid enough to live on and even more so at companies like Southampton who can afford to pay their cleaners £7.85 an hour so they can live with dignity. Probably because the person who read your mail either didn't know or wasn't in a postion to disclose that sort of information hence why it was passed to management. When you grow up and get out in the real world you'll understand this sort of thing a lot better young Andy.
richardc Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 He's currently being noshed off by Lou in the Farmhouse bogs. Has anyone seen the patriot games?
sotonist Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Yep, you're right, the annual for Minimum Wage should read: Minimum Wage: £6.50 / hour = £260 / week = £13.5k / year And 'Market Value' depends very heavily on your definition. The minimum wage is actually a wage on which people need benefits to survive - ie it is actually BELOW the true market value. Companies that pay the minimum wage are actually using benefits as a government subsidy for their low wages. So you need more than 13.5k to avoid death? I think some people have overly grand ideas of what constitutes survival.
Manuel Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Survival is living on the streets. If you're working full time, in this country, you should be able to live a simple life without debt and hardship.
sotonist Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Survival is living on the streets. If you're working full time, in this country, you should be able to live a simple life without debt and hardship. so instead of invoking hyperbole say it like it is. the minimum wage is not enough to live comfortably.
DuncanRG Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Survival is living on the streets. If you're working full time, in this country, you should be able to live a simple life without debt and hardship. Indeed you should. But you only are because the government props up pitifully low wages. Even the Conservative prime minister is calling on employers to raise their pay - not the words of a free marketeer.
hypochondriac Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 No such thing as poverty in this country. According to the police, there are enough beds in Southampton for every person but many choose to sleep rough so they can continue to abuse drink and drugs.
sotonist Posted 11 February, 2015 Posted 11 February, 2015 Indeed you should. But you only are because the government props up pitifully low wages. Even the Conservative prime minister is calling on employers to raise their pay - not the words of a free marketeer. Apparently you can rent a furnished room with utilities included for £4k a year, you can feed yourself for £1k a year you can clothe yourself for approx £250. You can get a contract mobile phone with a very healthy internet and call allowance for £360 a year. That means give or take a few miscellaneous expenses you're only £7k from the gutter.
Saintandy666 Posted 13 February, 2015 Posted 13 February, 2015 Have emailed again for follow up. Will report back any findings.
austsaint Posted 13 February, 2015 Posted 13 February, 2015 Maybe a little tongue in cheek, but the wages of our top start are dictated by supply and demand - no reason to believe we should apply any different down the line. I'm sure the SFC balance sheet these days could easily accommodate a living wage without a ripple or an economic red flag.
bridge too far Posted 13 February, 2015 Posted 13 February, 2015 Have emailed again for follow up. Will report back any findings. One of the big petition organisations is on board with this now for all the Premier League clubs (Change.org I think)
eelpie Posted 13 February, 2015 Posted 13 February, 2015 Actually the corner shop is probably subsidising Tesco by paying taxes to provide in work benefits for Tesco employees. And you and me subsidising Tesco and others (and possibly SFC) through our taxes by topping up minimum wages to a living income.
Huffton Posted 13 February, 2015 Posted 13 February, 2015 With the amount of money coming in from Sky next year they could afford to pay supporters an hourly rate for coming:rolleyes:
Redslo Posted 13 February, 2015 Posted 13 February, 2015 With the amount of money coming in from Sky next year they could afford to pay supporters an hourly rate for coming:rolleyes: That would be an innovative business model. Instead, of selling tickets to home games--hold auditions. Give the tickets to the most vocal, energetic, and supportive fans. Pay bonuses for good cheering and player support.
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2015 Posted 13 February, 2015 Have emailed again for follow up. Will report back any findings. Seriously mate, you're what, 20? Why are you spending your spare time constantly email football clubs questioning their moral stance? Stick a back pack on a go travelling go see so e of the world, take up a martial art or a sport, smash your way through a few dozen young ladies, get out there, enjoy your youth, you've got plenty of time to send emails demanding companies that don't care about you reply to you when you're in your fifties.
bangkoksaint Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 I see some right rubbish on this forum but this is spot on and the club has no excuses.
whelk Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 Seriously mate, you're what, 20? Why are you spending your spare time constantly email football clubs questioning their moral stance? Stick a back pack on a go travelling go see so e of the world, take up a martial art or a sport, smash your way through a few dozen young ladies, get out there, enjoy your youth, you've got plenty of time to send emails demanding companies that don't care about you reply to you when you're in your fifties. Could not such advice be also applied to forum posting?
Delboy Dave Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 Seriously mate, you're what, 20? Why are you spending your spare time constantly email football clubs questioning their moral stance? Stick a back pack on a go travelling go see so e of the world, take up a martial art or a sport, smash your way through a few dozen young ladies, get out there, enjoy your youth, you've got plenty of time to send emails demanding companies that don't care about you reply to you when you're in your fifties. Spot on!
austsaint Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 Seriously mate, you're what, 20? Why are you spending your spare time constantly email football clubs questioning their moral stance? Stick a back pack on a go travelling go see so e of the world, take up a martial art or a sport, smash your way through a few dozen young ladies, get out there, enjoy your youth, you've got plenty of time to send emails demanding companies that don't care about you reply to you when you're in your fifties. You can still navigate a moral compass and get your end in regularly and see the world.
PhilippineSaint Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 Can some of you morally correct people start E-Mailing my company and tell them they are not paying me enough? Are you lot real? The fact of the matter is these people if indeed they are paid as low as you say actually agreed to work for the renumerance they are given. Before they started they should have negotiated aliving wage or not taken the position. NB Please tell my company I need a 200% wage increase and annual bonus of 2 months wages Please
Bearsy Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 The Media Bros are Glass Houses on this subject
Redslo Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 Seriously mate, you're what, 20? Why are you spending your spare time constantly email football clubs questioning their moral stance? Stick a back pack on a go travelling go see so e of the world, take up a martial art or a sport, smash your way through a few dozen young ladies, get out there, enjoy your youth, you've got plenty of time to send emails demanding companies that don't care about you reply to you when you're in your fifties. He probably doesn't devote that much time to it.
hypochondriac Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 He probably doesn't devote that much time to it. You would be forgiven for thinking otherwise based on his posting history. Not saying that doesn't apply to me either except I'm not about 20.
bridge too far Posted 14 February, 2015 Posted 14 February, 2015 Can some of you morally correct people start E-Mailing my company and tell them they are not paying me enough? Are you lot real? The fact of the matter is these people if indeed they are paid as low as you say actually agreed to work for the renumerance they are given. Before they started they should have negotiated aliving wage or not taken the position. NB Please tell my company I need a 200% wage increase and annual bonus of 2 months wages Please Has it occurred to you that some of the staff have been employed by the club via the DWP and don't have the 'luxury' of turning down a job offer, even if it is on crap wages. They'll get sanctioned if they refuse.
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