red&white56 Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 It was an obvious red card, looked to me like he intentionally went over the ball to try and hurt the opponent. Just looked at the video and I don't think he was intentionally going over the ball, not a red card incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeTissLeGod Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Red card all day long. Look at the delay in the challenge, clearly looking for him. Done his England prospects no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 It's easy to blame the ref - we all here have different views on the incident. And we got tv replays and YouTube to watch it all over again. The ref has like 10 seconds to make up his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 The more I see it the less like a red card it looks. The studs were not up and they both had significant momentum as they arrived at the ball. Lot's of emotion from the touchline probably added to it and the fact that the ref. had missed the Costa incident in the Chelsea Man City game so felt he was being heavily scrutinized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 you can see why the ref gave a red at that time it will probably stand as it was wreckless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Not a red card for me - but then I also don't see how the geezer was supposedly so badly hurt he needed a stretcher. Still, wasted a fair bit of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Conspiracy against Chelsea = Bertrand red card.....Mourinho was right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Looked a booking to me. Not a red card. But not seen it on TV yet. Thought the referee and Itchen side linesman were very poor today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Not a red card But he does adjust the way he tackles the Swansea guy, which makes it look worse Why was a stretcher needed ? He tags his shin pad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 I could accept that as a red if Oliver gave about 8 yellows for other offences in the game that could have warranted them, or if he was capable of seeing the difference between a corner and a goalkick, or even if he could grasp the concept of injury time. He set his level when he ignored a deliberate handball and several fouls, then he changed it. Even in the last few mins he failed to book a Swansea player for a poor professional foul. Inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Red card all day long. Look at the delay in the challenge, clearly looking for him. Done his England prospects no good. No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Red card all day long. Look at the delay in the challenge, clearly looking for him. Done his England prospects no good. They commented on the delay on TV. Personally I thought he was looking for the pass, rather than the player but doubt it'll be rescinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Was shocked to see a red given at the time and watching it back I still don't think it was a red. Bertrand was tackling to his right-hand side and with his left leg, therefore effectively running parallel with the player - try doing this and keeping your left foot on the floor the entire time. It is extremely difficult! To face forward and swing your left leg around to the right to tackle a ball it means you lose balance and cannot keep the foot down. As a result, Bertrand's boot comes off the top of the ball and into the guy's leg. Can you tell I think it was slightly harsh?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 We should do a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Barrow is ok which is good. Course he is, the time-wasting cvnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 (edited) Lol at all the experts here who say he deliberately took out the Swansea player. How the **** do you know that? I don't recall Bertrand telling the ref he intended to skim over the ball and take out the player's leg. If not, maybe you are all mind-readers? Edited 1 February, 2015 by Dark Munster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 All the pundits agree it was a red then, and the more I watch it thebmore it looks a red. He clearly looks to clear him out, and he had plenty of time to time that tackle better, in fact it was so bad he almost missed the ball altogether. Thankfully we have targett who is an able understudy as that was IMO a moment of madness from Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Definite Red card. If this happened against one of our players we'd all agree he should have been sent off. Stupid challenge from Bertrand. Would be interested to compare everyones thoughts on this versus wes brown from last season - both similar in that the both got a minor piece of the ball first but overall not a good tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 2005-2015-Red 1995-2005-Yellow 1985-1995- Free Kick Pre 1985 - No foul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Would be interested to compare everyones thoughts on this versus wes brown from last season - both similar in that the both got a minor piece of the ball first but overall not a good tackle The brown tackle was a red card, getting the ball is largely irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Yellow would of been fair IMO, Studs weren't up, just an aggressive tackle where he got the ball first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUKE9 Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Never a red card, he got the ball albeit a hard tackle oh the whole point in a tackle. As above morons on here saying a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 2005-2015-Red 1995-2005-Yellow 1985-1995- Free Kick Pre 1985 - No foul This. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Not a straight red. Yellow possibly but not definately. Both players went into the challenge full blooded...the other guy lost out, but he was not seriously hurt atall...Ryan hardly touched him actually. Ref was so inconsistent...he has done a good job protecting the big clubs advantage...hope he got paid well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 I think that it's a borderline yellow/red, and actually don't think there was intent from Bertrand as it looked like he only had eyes for the ball, but it wasn't controlled and he was a tad unlucky that his foot only caught the top of the ball and bounced further up into Barrow's leg. There is no way in hell a challenge like that deserves a 3 match ban, but I can't see it being rescinded as Oliver is one of the young referee golden boys and he'll be protected after the recent Costa incident. Shame, but a good chance for Targett to show what he can do. What really annoys me is that, looking at the replay many times over, all I can see is Barrow getting a tap across his shin pad, granted it was at pace, but I highly doubt he was hurt. I'm guessing the stretcher etc was just a ruse to wind time down as much as possible to see out the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Never a red card . Definite yellow though but I agree it wasn't a surprise , everything else was going against us too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Not a straight red. Yellow possibly but not definately. Both players went into the challenge full blooded...the other guy lost out, but he was not seriously hurt atall...Ryan hardly touched him actually. Ref was so inconsistent...he has done a good job protecting the big clubs advantage...hope he got paid well. I thought the same, but it's highly unlikely he got stretchered off just to carry on the facade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THINWHITEDUKE Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Yellow card no doubt, overreaction from Barrow and Swansea bench got him the red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 (edited) would be interested in Whitey Grandads's comment? .....(from ref's perspective). YES - it was a hard tackle, but Bertrand seemed to have his eyes down and won the tackle, and I'm sure it hurt, but the lad did make heavy weather of it. Did he leave SMS on crutches, or in an ambulance? I wonder? I watched the Swedish TV channel and (apparantly) the lad Barrow had played at a Swedish club (Norrköping), and therefore got a lot of praise that I thought wa sa bit overdone. Edited 2 February, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoateallthepies Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Yellow card no doubt, overreaction from Barrow and Swansea bench got him the red. I ref U12 games and you see mistimed tackles like this on a regular basis. You would end up 2 v 2 if you kept giving reds for this. Eyes on the ball, one foot planted, slightly mistimed. Looks like Bertrand is actually starting to lean away as he anticipates the Swansea player is coming in recklessly; Barrow's body shape is all wrong for a challenge; he's just flying in. It's correct to say that getting the ball first is not mitigation under the purity of the rules; however, refs usually allow for some leeway when that happens (maybe they shouldn't but they do) and there is little evidence of intent. Surprised the guy was stretchered off? Looks as if Bertrand catches his shin pad! Not sure what angle the ref saw it from and that may have dictated his decision for a red, but yellow at worst for me. Worth appealing. Wenger always does even when the oppo player is cut in half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 I thought it looked harsh yesterday until I got home and watched the tv replays. It was a clear red. There was no intent to injure Barrow (his eyes were always looking at the ball) but Ryan's gone right over the top of it and taken him out. His heel brushing the top of it does not constitute winning the ball. If it had been one of our lads on the receiving end there'd be plenty of whining on here about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Didn't think it was a foul then, still don't now. Disregarding the intent, to me he went in hard but fair and got the ball. What's the point in tackling hard if you can get the ball but still get cautioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 That short replay linked above isn't long enough, you needed to see it from a second or two earlier. Watching it initially and on subsequent replay it looked to me that RB was clear favourite to comfortably win the ball. He saw where the opponent was and momentarily slowed. My initial reaction was that if he got there first he'd put it out for a throw but slowed to ensure he played it against the man and out or down the line, so keeping possession. By the time the tackle was committed to it just looked all wrong. Hadn't noticed the previous row with same player, that does put a different perspective on my initial view as to why he may have slowed a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Who was he arguing with on the touchline? That was before the red card came out, presumably someone did or said something that Ryan didn't like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 If you just watch the tackle I can see how someone could judge it as a potential red. The frustrations come from the inconsistency of different refs (Ramirez v Brown) and of Oliver himself within games that he attempts to ref. IMO in the context of everything that the ref had let go, it was not a red. I'm not going to bore you with a list but there are approx five occasions in the game when he could have booked Swansea players and didn't. But the real test of how damaging a tackle that really was will be judged by how many months Barrow spends on the sidelines. I wish him a speedy recovery.......and I'm curious to see how quick that recovery is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Who was he arguing with on the touchline? That was before the red card came out, presumably someone did or said something that Ryan didn't like? Monk, I sit just to the right of the dugout and Monk had a go at him and Bertrand was shouting to Monk that he got the ball or went for the ball. From where I was sitting both players were going hell for leather to reach the loose ball but Bertrand had his eye on the ball the whole time and unfortunately when he slid in for it Barrow came out worse. If Barrow wasn't hurt and just got up it'd have been a yellow or nothing at all. As alluded to earlier on this thread though I watched them having a spat earlier in the game but they made up pretty quickly. I doubt we'll appeal for fear of the additional ban for frivolous appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 A mere scratch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Getting the ball is no longer acceptable if you take out everything within a 6 yd radius in doing so. The criteria is apparently that if your tackle is reckless enough to put the physical integrity of an opponent in cause then it's a straight red no matter how much of the ball you get. It was a red because he scythed him down in the aftermath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 [ATTACH=CONFIG]1553[/ATTACH] Would probably get additional games for an appeal. Stacks of reds for far less this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Looked a daft challenge and you can see why a red was given. 3 game ban is harsh whatever way you cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Not a red , possibly a yellow . As others have said the Swansea player was cheating made more of the injury . If it's that bad you don't do all those rolling about antics . I hope the club appeal . Bad bad decision by the ref again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Looked a daft challenge and you can see why a red was given. 3 game ban is harsh whatever way you cut it. Yeah, agree that a 3 game ban is harsh but I suppose it is what it is. It was daft. And an obvious red. What annoys me is if he wanted to win the ball he would've done it properly, for me, it looks like he has tried harder ensuring barrow feels the follow through which makes him almost miss the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Yeah, agree that a 3 game ban is harsh but I suppose it is what it is. It was daft. And an obvious red. What annoys me is if he wanted to win the ball he would've done it properly, for me, it looks like he has tried harder ensuring barrow feels the follow through which makes him almost miss the ball And as the ref had seen them going at each other over by the touch line just a few minutes before, the red was an absolute nailed on certainty for that challenge, if they hadn't clashed in an ugly way just before then he might have got away with a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 And as the ref had seen them going at each other over by the touch line just a few minutes before, the red was an absolute nailed on certainty for that challenge, if they hadn't clashed in an ugly way just before then he might have got away with a yellow. Maybe, I judge it by how Id react to the challenge and Id probably have got up and nutted him Poor challenge for me, think its known as a leveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Unfortunately this will see him out of the QPR, West Ham and Liverpool games, he can then play against WBA and Palace and out again for Chelsea away, so only 2 games between now and March 21st when we play Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Not going to be appealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Not going to be appealed Just as well then, it was a non-starter despite what all the Brian O'Neil and Denny Hollywood fans might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 Sat in the kingsland I was too far away to really see if it was a red. Looking at that posted on here , it could have gone either way. To overturn a red it needs to be a clear error, that's not a clear error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 2 February, 2015 Share Posted 2 February, 2015 The incident happened right in front of where we sit - we sit in Row L so the view was excellent. Bertrand clearly went for and got the ball - it was never a red card as it was nota foul. That was the view of everyone around us who could see it clearly. Oliver is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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