Asaint4ever Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 For me I feel he was unlucky. Was no intention to hurt him, he won the ball but sadly went through but for me I feel it wasn't a red. Wonder if we apeal. Thoughts?
Saint-Armstrong Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Nope, thought it was a red card. Born out of frustration and his reaction said it all. Silly.
sfc1976 Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 They had a row further up the pitch a few minutes earlier and Bertrand was looking to nail him - and did.
kaffeemeister Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 dont know where people get the red for, he got the ball first, albeit slightly rash. got that !@#$ injured, good job
Bearsy Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 They should make a different version of football where those sort of tackles are allowed, because I find them exciting! I would also bring back surrounding the referee, and punch-ups in the tunnel.
Turkish Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Can see why he gave it, was reckless and he didn't need to so it. Think he knew he was in trouble when he heard the whistle.
eurosaint Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 IMO if you get the ball first then it isn't red, surely the object of the excercise is to win the ball above all else ? If deemed reckless then a yellow is sufficient ! Ps. I have always maintained this view, not just because of this incident !
stknowle Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 They had a row further up the pitch a few minutes earlier and Bertrand was looking to nail him - and did. Correct.
CWD Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Definite Red card. If this happened against one of our players we'd all agree he should have been sent off. Stupid challenge from Bertrand.
CanadaSaint Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 I think there's absolutely zero chance of that being rescinded because they can always fall back on the "reckless" angle. Magnified by the fact that Oliver is one of their very few "up and coming" referees, so they'll stand behind him. Still, Targett is an adequate replacement.
CWD Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 IMO if you get the ball first then it isn't red, surely the object of the excercise is to win the ball above all else ? If deemed reckless then a yellow is sufficient ! Ps. I have always maintained this view, not just because of this incident ! The rules state if it's dangerous and bot feet leave the ground you should be sent off. It was nasty.
CB Fry Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 IMO if you get the ball first then it isn't red, surely the object of the excercise is to win the ball above all else ? If deemed reckless then a yellow is sufficient ! Ps. I have always maintained this view, not just because of this incident ! Getting the ball first does not negate every other element of the tackle. It was poor and reckless and a red card was fair enough.
Ewell Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Put it this way, I wouldn't bother appealing it.
SaintVanderbilt Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 I'm not fully clear on the league's rules but will a disciplinary committee meet and increase his match ban?
aintforever Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Definite red, what the **** was he doing? He could have just kicked the ball but decided to just f*ck the player up as well.
Saint Charlie Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Koeman said he thought it was a yellow but mumbled when asked if we would appeal.
trousers Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Koeman said he thought it was a yellow but mumbled when asked if we would appeal. Monk also cast doubt on it being a red in his post match interview.
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Definite red, what the **** was he doing? He could have just kicked the ball but decided to just f*ck the player up as well. Because they'd been having a bit of argy bargy for about 20 minutes beforehand.
Saint Charlie Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 https://vine.co/v/OtxhawrpEJ5 Was at the game so hadnt seen it back. Based on that its a yellow for me. Unfortunately the fact Barrow was stretchered off (hopefully he is ok) probably (wrongly) makes an appeal less likely to suceed. Also appeals rarely work for these types. It was a bad tackle. If it were successfully appealed than reds would be appealed every week. Gaston Ramirez and Benteke reds vs Spurs were far less than Bertrand's.
DJ_TOAST Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 wasnt a red card ever and quite stunned amount of morons on here who feel it was
shurlock Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 (edited) It's the lack of consistency that grates. To take one example: Wes Brown's challenge on Gaston was deemed perfectly legal because he supposedly won the ball (debatable), even though it was probably more reckless than Bertrand's. Edited 1 February, 2015 by shurlock
Saint-Armstrong Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Ronald has said we will be appealing... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31077713
Plastic Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Unfortunately he was totally uncontrolled, and went in quite dangerously. Sad to say I think it deserved a red.
aintforever Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 It was an obvious red card, looked to me like he intentionally went over the ball to try and hurt the opponent.
Wes Tender Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 It looked like a yellow to me. Koeman thought so too, I didn't know that Monk agreed. Seeing the replay, it looks a bit clumsy that Bertrand's leg went over the ball, but he did make contact with the ball first and it wasn't malicious. It didn't surprise me one little bit that the ref red-carded it, as a series of poor decisions favouring Swansea all afternoon indicated that would be the case. In particular, he awarded a series of free-kicks to that fat Frog lump Gomis for minimal contact. but typically Pelle was taking the usual abuse from defenders leaning on him, kicking the sh*t out of him and getting nothing.
um pahars Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 The rules state if it's dangerous and bot feet leave the ground you should be sent off. It was nasty. When he gets the ball with his left foot, his right is planted on the ground. Not a red for me.
Kingsland Red Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Maybe a yellow but a red summed up the afternoon.
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Thought he went for the ball at first and got it, then he decided he chop down Barrow with a sort of scissors movement, think that's what got him the card.
SaintSteve Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 In real time Bertrand touched the ball and we did not think it was even a foul... however, have watched the playback and its clearly reckless and i doubt an appeal will make any difference
Baird of the land Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Depends on definition of what is a red card. My preference is that, that sort of tackle wouldn't be a red card as it wouldn't have been in the past. However they've radically changed the interpretation and under that expanded interpretation its possible to justify it as a red. So doubt there's any chance of a successful appeal.
Saint86 Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 https://vine.co/v/OtxhawrpEJ5 so based on that, its clearly not a red rofl
Manuel Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Did he intend to drop Barrow after he made contact with the ball? I didn't think so at the time and looking at that replay I'm still not convinced. Not a red.
SuperMikey Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 I listened to the game on the radio, the taters made it sound like a red but it doesn't look so bad having seen it. Yes he went over the top of the ball, but when he actually makes the challenge his right foot is planted - seems that he's only off the ground after he makes contact with the ball and then Barrow comes through and takes him off his feet. I'm not sure he's entirely in control of the challenge but it doesn't seem particularly malicious and I think we've probably got a good chance of getting it rescinded. It's a yellow, but straight red? No chance.
Stud mark of doom Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 https://vine.co/v/OtxhawrpEJ5 Pretty much the same angle I had at the stadium. Surely that is no way a red card - with my slightly biased match head on I was livid he'd even given a free kick as he go the ball. I was mad when he looked like he was booking him. Red? Amazing. I can only assume it looked much worse from other angles. Quite rare that the opposition managers questions a red.
Restark19 Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 lol never a red. eyes on the ball, clearly went for the ball first and caught the player when he came steaming through, just another example of the poor standard of refereeing in the premier league recently
Matthew Le God Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 dont know where people get the red for, he got the ball first, albeit slightly rash. got that !@#$ injured, good job I've only seen it once, from a long distance in the stadium so would need to see it again... but getting the ball first doesn't mean by default it can't be a red card.
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 For me I feel he was unlucky. Was no intention to hurt him, he won the ball but sadly went through but for me I feel it wasn't a red. Wonder if we apeal. Thoughts? I think he had every intention to hurt him personally. Followed through, reckless, high Definate red for me, winning the ball is largely irrelevant
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 They had a row further up the pitch a few minutes earlier and Bertrand was looking to nail him - and did. Exactly
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 dont know where people get the red for, he got the ball first, albeit slightly rash. got that !@#$ injured, good job Hopefully you fall down the stairs later, good job
Goatboy Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Didn't think it was even a foul at the time. Still don't.
Dr Who? Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 One of those reckless challenges that the player making it, tries to cover it up with ball first. His intentions were very clear to me.
St.Patrik Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 I saw the game on telly and they showed the replay many times and you clearly see that he had the eyes on the ball so no way it was red. Unless he got if for running over to Monk and started screaming at him and the other coaches - then it was deserved - but for the kick - no way
fanimal Posted 1 February, 2015 Posted 1 February, 2015 Didn't think it was a red from my Northam view; having seen it several times on the Sky recording playback, the only foul is from the cheating diving Swansea player, who went in studs up; Ryan went in studs down, side footed and got the ball, his follow through hardly touched the guy! I also think his standing leg slipped slightly which pushed his left foot up a bit. Should have been a Saints free kick.
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