DG Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Woeful attacking decision making. Pelle and Tadic poor, did one of his corners ever beat the first man? Wanted Mane on at half time. One of those days I suppose, need the big 3 back but need JROD or another striker more. Bad weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Was a little bit like watching us towards the end of last season, loads of the ball but completely blunt. For what it's worth we have already recovered well from results like this and for the 'CL dream over' crowd, what is our current position? Mane did come on for the wrong player, Tadic was poor and Reed was solid all game, but Mane made us about 10x sharper and was the only player all game who looked like scoring. Poor games from Forster, Clyne, Tadic and Pelle for me. Bertrand shouldn't have been a red and I would expect an appeal and Targett is still solid cover regardless of outcome. Elia still looks lively, Yoshida improved the defence from Gardos last weekend and Reed / S.Davis look a solid center mid partnership. Tadic dropped with Ward-Prowse sitting between Elia and Mane next weekend please Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Well despite all the doom and gloom on here, I thought we actually played some decent stuff today. And our final balls weren't as terrible as they have been at times this season. It's just that Swansea packed their box and defended very well, crowding out our attacking threats. Williams was by far the best player on the pitch today, and his double block from Mane towards the end epitomised everything about his game. Disappointing result, yes, but we move on. As others have said - with our first choice DM players on the pitch today that goal would not have happened. And to all those who blame Forster for it, maybe you should be looking at the defenders who just backed off and off and invited him to shoot in the first place if you want to apportion blame. It was a superb hit that very few keepers in the PL would have saved IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 1. We aren't good enough for Champions League. 2. Home atmosphere woeful today. 3. JWP key in two incidents, misses chance (not a no10 player for me) then way too weak defensively. 4. Mane has to start from now. 5. Pelle is playing well just not getting the chances he did at the start of the season. He is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Just back from the game. Not in the mood to read this thread so apologies if I'm repeating what's already been said. If, after 10 minutes, I could have had a bet on the outcome of this game, I would have plumped for a single Shelvey goal. Clyne started well, getting in behind their left back and putting in a couple of nice crosses which we failed to get on the end of. For me it was downhill from there. Swansea defended deep and in numbers. They were more than happy to watch us pass sideways and be slow and predictable. Ward Prowse was allowed no space whatsoever and every time he came short to get on the ball he was ignored. Our standard ball was a hoof from Fonte to an isolated Pelle. Poor. I could go on but I have a cat to kick. Poor decision to take off Reed when Tadic was having a(nother) mare. Poor tracking back. Casual. Awful crossing and set pieces. Again. Am I missing something? Elia is good value for me. Really quick feet, a couple of nice tricks and works hard both ways. I liked the trumpet player from Groeningen(?) who cheered up the Chapel/Itchen corner after Bertrand's red card. Oh and Gomis got away with murder. Nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Agree that Tadic was good in the 1st half, but pretty shocking in the 2nd and his final delivery was pretty poor. I feel a bit of Pelle, works hard but he's so isolated nobody really got around him and the crossing in to him, if it didn't demonstrate the need for another then nothing will. My only thought is that jrod can't be that far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Absolute disaster, we've slumped to 4th in the Premier League ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bowood Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Keeper not good enough again. My Grandma coulda saved that and she's been dead for decades. Poor keeper being covered up by a good back 6 and when he is exposed, like today, he' s not up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bowood Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Absolute disaster, we've slumped to 4th in the Premier League ! And if we keep performing like we did today it will 14th before the season ends.... How will you feel then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 That Mane-Reed substitution tore us apart. We should've kept the midfield of 3, and changed like-for-like up front. Instead, we gave up a lot of space in midfield, forced JWP and Davis into never-ending sprinting between attack and defense, were left too exposed when our FBs went forward, and eventually that cost us with a 2nd Shelvey shot after a serious warning with the first. Reminded me a lot of the Villa game last season in December. No matter what we did, they were always going to win the game. I'm starting to think that teams are now fully aware of Pelle's threat and weaknesses, so we should look to play with another striker/central attacking player until the end of the season. Tadic has not been at a good level, and is now starting to look a bit lazy too. Needs a kick up the back side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Tadic ok first half but poor second half when he hardly got a ball into one of our players. Yet to be convinced by JWP. Has potential, but not a great striker of the ball at this time. Pelle looked slow and ponderous. Too many back/sideway passes. Shelvey and Gomes looked dangerous every time they broke forward. Quick decisive and lethal. Only Elia and Mane offered any threat to a resolute Swans defence. Need Morgan, Vic and Toby back as soon as possible. Reed has promise but is too lightweight at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Agree that Tadic was good in the 1st half, but pretty shocking in the 2nd and his final delivery was pretty poor. I feel a bit of Pelle, works hard but he's so isolated nobody really got around him and the crossing in to him, if it didn't demonstrate the need for another then nothing will. My only thought is that jrod can't be that far away. In fact you're partly right. Pellé does work hard and puts himself about but he doesn't help his team-mates supply him because his positioning is a bit poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokingSaint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 My Grandma coulda saved that and she's been dead for decades. Poor keeper being covered up by a good back 6 and when he is exposed, like today, he' s not up to it I've decided. He is not good enough! Could have save that shot. And the pantomime when he saved the corner! He only had to stop it - why kick it straight back to them! Must get someone in to compete with him now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 We need another striker so bad, if Pelle is off his game we have nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 1. We aren't good enough for Champions League. 2. Home atmosphere woeful today. 3. JWP key in two incidents, misses chance (not a no10 player for me) then way too weak defensively. 4. Mane has to start from now. 5. Pelle is playing well just not getting the chances he did at the start of the season. He is not the problem. We are good enough for the champions league when we have our strongest team out but after that perhaps not. The "board" needed to put their collective hand in their collective pocket on the 1st of January and bring in a top rate striker then we'd not be having days like today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Thats pretty harsh tbh, came at him quick, he hit it well enough, keeper got a big toe to it It was a complete sitter and he should have buried it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA SaintsFan Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 I have to put this game down as not taking our chances. We practically had a boatload of opportunities first half and the game could of been over by halftime. Instead, we failed to take advantage of our dominance in the first half and pressed high up the pitch so that swansea pinching a late goal seemed inevitable. Bertrand red card I'd say is debatable, clearly won some of the ball and didn't intend to injure the player. Hats off to mane, great when he came on very unlucky not to score( Ashley Williams goal line clearance.) Elia looked a threat also, and I thought pelles hold up play was immense. Defenders frustrate me, seemed content to backing off of attackers rather than closing down, hence giving them space to shoot from distance. Very dissapointing result but not a disaster. With wanyama schiederlin and Toby back next weekend we will be a much better side. Bertrand suspended will be a loss, but targett looked well up to the job last time out. I'd like to see mane on for tadic, as tadic looks like he needs a break and mane looked our biggest threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Swansea parked both the bus and the Severn Bridge caught us on the break, whispering Dave said he thought Forster should have done better with the goal. Tadic has got to be one of the most frustrating players to ever pull on a Saints shirt he put one cross straight into the keepers hands in the second half and then started having a go at the other players as if it was their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 I think it is important not to over react to this loss. We had our chances.... 6 shots on target to Swansea's 1, just didn't go our way. we were playing with arguably our best three players out and the thought of a Mane/Elia pairing going forward is pretty exciting. next three games... Forster Clyne - Fonte - Alderweireld - Targett Davis - Wanyama - Schneiderlin Elia - Pelle - Mane is pretty salty. I know everyone wants to bring more players in.. but we just have to get healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Agree with those who have said the wrong man was taken off, Harry Reed was doing his job which is more than you could say for some of the others. To take him off and drop JWP into a defensive role was suicidal - JWP cannot tackle, doesn't read danger and is far too slow. This allowed Swansea chances to go forward and we failed to learn our lesson having let Shelvey waltz through unchallenged when he hit the post. JWP missed another simple chance - if that goes in I believe we go on to win the game. Unfortunately, he simply has no composure when the ball drops to him in a scoring position. I think he only needed to lift the ball slightly and the keeper's trailing leg has no chance of keeping it out. Tadic is a good player but someone needs to tell him the game is not played at walking pace - if he wants to play walking football there are leagues for that for the over 50's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Typical pant-****ing comments from all the usual suspects on here. Thought you lot would've learnt to keep the kneejerking under control after your summer humiliation. We pretty much dominated the game and got hit with a sucker punch. It happens - get over it. Not sure about all the Tadic hate - he was the best player on the pitch in the 1st half - although I was surprised to see Reed taken off instead of him. 3 big players to come back, a run of winnable fixtures (plus competitors taking points of each other) and 4th in the Premier League in February.....everything's rosy, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 And if we keep performing like we did today it will 14th before the season ends.... How will you feel then! And if we don't .... How will you feel then ? We lost a match which we dominated, we had at least 4 key players missing and they'll be back soon ! We have overachieved so far this season and some of the hysterical reaction on this thread is pitiful ! All IMHO of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Swansea parked both the bus and the Severn Bridge caught us on the break, whispering Dave said he thought Forster should have done better with the goal. Tadic has got to be one of the most frustrating players to ever pull on a Saints shirt he put one cross straight into the keepers hands in the second half and then started having a go at the other players as if it was their fault. Of course, Forster should have done better with the goal - Le Tiss and Carragher said the same thing. But it's all hipster on here to defend him just because a few morons went overboard with their criticisms earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 If that was true then we would be 1-0 up. He put it too close to the goalkeeper and someone used to scoring wouldn't give the keeper a chance to get a foot to it. You dont get time in those situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Story of the game: Ashley Williams was brilliant. Tadic and Clyne were very poor. Elias our best player. What a coup. Forster might have saved that. Pelle worked his socks off and won everything. Shelvey who I don't rate particularly highly is the exact style of midfielder we do not have. Lastly, we definitely did not deserve to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Two points Taking off Reed changed game IMO Just one of those games, we used to have a lot like that,sometimes a step back means you can take 2 more forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Bossed it. Lost it. Same as Man Utd at home. Sh#t happens. Totally gutted but that's football. Play that game tomorrow and you have to put your life on the winner? 100% would say SAINTS. You wouldn't? Liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Having had as much possession in another team's half as I can remember in a long time, we had played some very entertaining football but lacked the initiative to turn it into an advantage by scoring. We started the second half as we left off, but for me the game-changer was Koeman's decision to take off Reed for Mane. Yes, he was going for the 3 points by increasing our attacking options. but Tadic or J-WP were the players who should have been taken off, as Reed had been very solid up until then. Missing Toby in defence and Wanyama and Schneiderlin in midfield had been exposed by Crystal Palace, but had not looked so much a problem in the league because Reed had been excellent alongside Davis. Shelvey had already had one snapshot and hit the post after the defence backed off and backed off him again. Quite what they were thinking allowing a player so much space to get a shot off, I don't know. And having done it once, did they learn from it? Not on your nelly. Mind you, I go the impression that Forster should have saved that comfortably. What we need to learn to do, is to move the ball faster forwards instead of poncing about moving it sideways and backwards, allowing Swansea to get every player behind the ball. Nevertheless, we still managed to get behind their defence several times, but tried to walk the ball into the net instead of shooting on sight. Clyne had his poorset game for us that I can remember. Typical of that was the time he skinned their left back and pressed towards the byeline but put it out with too heavy a touch. Several other times his wayward passing lost us possession. Tadic was OK for me the first half, but went backwards in the second half, so he deserved to be taken off. I can't be too critical of the other players, as overall that level of dominance cannot be achieved without good performances from most of the players. Talk of us having spoilt our chances of a CL league place on the back of this result are plainly nonsense. Apart from us being likely to have Toby, Schneiderlin and Wanyama to return very soon, there is the possibility to add a player or two tomorrow. Although there are many expressing the opinion that we need a striker to partner/relieve Pelle, Mane and Elia are additions too recent to make a judgement on as to whether they can do that job, although losing Long suggests that we are probably one short up top. What could be an exciting prospect is Elia and Mane each side of Pelle, something that has not been tried properly yet. Its a real pity that we couldn't get at least the draw that would have retained third above United, but we need to capitalise on 3 points against QPR to regain momentum and recognise that the top four or five teams all have matches against each other. We have Liverpool, City and Spurs to come so it is in our own hands to take points from them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Are you saying they have been playing well? Was a good post up until the bashing of bashers. JWP and Forster played poor and have done so on multiple games recently. Is it not right to point that out? Or should we just say well done lads because we are not allowed to pick out anything negative as that makes us a bed wetter or whatever? Forster had an average game, not his greatest but he wasnt really tested, Id have to see a replay of the goal to pass any real comment on the goal but he got to the ball it was just swerving and well struck. I find it odd however that Forster is singled for criticism when the root cause was Davis and Fonte's failure to close down the danger man. As for Prowse yes he has played well, had a lot of assissts this year, is classy and works hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 A few mentioning Clyne, he started really well then Monk changed Dyer to that side and Clyne was occupied doing his defensive duties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 JWP had to score the 1st half chance.. and Forster should have done better with their goal.. just one of those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Well despite all the doom and gloom on here, I thought we actually played some decent stuff today. And our final balls weren't as terrible as they have been at times this season. It's just that Swansea packed their box and defended very well, crowding out our attacking threats. Williams was by far the best player on the pitch today, and his double block from Mane towards the end epitomised everything about his game. Disappointing result, yes, but we move on. As others have said - with our first choice DM players on the pitch today that goal would not have happened. And to all those who blame Forster for it, maybe you should be looking at the defenders who just backed off and off and invited him to shoot in the first place if you want to apportion blame. It was a superb hit that very few keepers in the PL would have saved IMO. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Taking Reed off was the error. Him and Davis had control of the midfield. Mane should have come on for TadicCompletely agree, Tadic remained totally anonymous again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 From where I was sat the goal looked pretty unstoppable, not that it matters. The people have spoken, Forster is a c**t and must be treated as such at all times. also I thought the crowd really got on the back of our players in the last twenty minutes, not exactly condusive to spurring them on to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 In fact you're partly right. Pellé does work hard and puts himself about but he doesn't help his team-mates supply him because his positioning is a bit poor. I find the fact he is often pretty static makes him far too easy to mark out of a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 I find the fact he is often pretty static makes him far too easy to mark out of a game Static perhaps but certainly not exactly where he should be exactly when he should be like all the great strikers of the game. Our wide men are putting ball after ball into the box, he's not got onto them at all today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 One of those games. We've had them before and we'll have them again. Fair play to Swansea. They defended well around the box and stifled us through the middle. Would have liked to have seen more support for Pelle from the midfield, he was isolated so often when he won the ball that there were no options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Static perhaps but certainly not exactly where he should be exactly when he should be like all the great strikers of the game. Our wide men are putting ball after ball into the box, he's not got onto them at all today. Yeah, for a striker he got nowhere near any of our low crosses today. They werent bad crosses at all for me, they were either well defended or just had no ree n white anywhere near them. Pelle frustrates the hell out of me, why he has to try to smash the ball into next tuesday instead of having a bit of composure is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickylambert Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 First game of the season when I genuinely expected us to win...Typical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 what a load of old **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 From where I was sat the goal looked pretty unstoppable, not that it matters. The people have spoken, Forster is a c**t and must be treated as such at all times. also I thought the crowd really got on the back of our players in the last twenty minutes, not exactly condusive to spurring them on to win the game. Completely agree about the crowd. Thought we were awful. People have said about us having a kop end, well with Swansea's poor turnout we had a chance but from where I was sat the Northam were quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Just back. Nice to see Corky mingling with the Saints supporters between the players' car park and Chapel entrance. One of those days, we were never going to score and the longer it went on, the more it seemed our luck had gone. Poor old Forster, from where we were sitting it looked like a routine save; then Bertrand to get a red for not a lot seems harsh. Bizarre afternoon best forgotten asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 I don't get why we are flogging Cork after that display. Reed may be better defensively but cork is miles better when it comes to trying to break down teams like Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 With the amount of possession we had in the 1st half we should have been home after 45 mins. We need to shoot a lot more, make something happen in their box. After half a season to take a good look I still think Boruc is better than Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 I don't get why we are flogging Cork after that display. Reed may be better defensively but cork is miles better when it comes to trying to break down teams like Swansea. Well I think we've sold Cork because he wasn't interested in the new contract he'd been offered and we chose a couple of million over his presence for the last 16 games of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Plenty of good things, gutted to lose it. Thought the atmosphere was good until around 60mins - too many seem to think we have a right to slice through teams like Swansea and win easily. Tadic was great in the first half, poor in the second. Clyne also uncharacteristically poor after the break. Still, on another day we'd have won 2-0 - created lots of good situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Well I think we've sold Cork because he wasn't interested in the new contract he'd been offered and we chose a couple of million over his presence for the last 16 games of the season. Not really a great decision if it means missing out on CL football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Completely agree about the crowd. Thought we were awful. People have said about us having a kop end, well with Swansea's poor turnout we had a chance but from where I was sat the Northam were quiet. I thought the Northam were generally quite vociferous today, but then again, I sit in the Chapel/Kingsland corner, so maybe there is a better perspective from there. As for the assertion that the crowd got on the team's back the last 20 minutes, again I didn't notice that at all. I thought that there was good encouragement during that period. But then again, I must have been sitting in the wrong place to have heard it. Either that, or you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Not really a great decision if it means missing out on CL football. What can you say, it has been decided that way, nothing we can do to change it. Don't think he was a particular favourite of RKs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 1 February, 2015 Share Posted 1 February, 2015 Jack Cork will become an even better player on here in the remaining 15 games he doesn't play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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