Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Far too many middle men/brokers etc for Jack not to know. Let's not be silly. Know the details of the deal? He'd most likely know there was interest and a headline figure, doubt he'd know detail, payment terms, timescales etc which is half the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Shame he's gone I thought he was quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Know the details of the deal? He'd most likely know there was interest and a headline figure, doubt he'd know detail, payment terms, timescales etc which is half the battle. Didn't this discussion start from a tweet from his Dad with the headline numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Didn't this discussion start from a tweet from his Dad with the headline numbers? It did and the point being the headline figures only tell half the story if correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 It did and the point being the headline figures only tell half the story if correct. I wonder what the granular detail of our £1.5M looks like? I guess only Ralf would know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Sad to see him go, a very good, tidy player who will suit Swansea's style very well. Thanks for everything Jack and best of luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 I wonder what the granular detail of our £1.5M looks like? I guess only Ralf would know. Your old mate Wreck it Ralph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Your old mate Wreck it Ralph? Yea. I wonder what he's been up to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Yea. I wonder what he's been up to? Guess he hasn't quite managed to wreck everything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitch Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Good luck to him, decent player. 1.5m though? I know he didn't have much contract left, but that's still a bit of a mugging! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Guess he hasn't quite managed to wreck everything yet. Give it time, another big summer coming up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 It did and the point being the headline figures only tell half the story if correct. But the discussion is about the same man (Jacks Dad) comparing two headline numbers he would have from exactly the same source (his son). All in all exactly the same set of conditions to make a comparison. So what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Ah well. Good player. Shame. Hope he does well at swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 I'm actually more disappointed about this than I was when Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Chambers & Lambert all jumped ship. Ahh well. The lure of a **** town in South Wales was obviously far greater than playing European Football next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 But the discussion is about the same man (Jacks Dad) comparing two headline numbers he would have from exactly the same source (his son). All in all exactly the same set of conditions to make a comparison. So what's your point? That the headline figure that was offered in the summer and the headline figure that was agreed now could well have been under different conditions. For example, the original deal offered by Swansea this week might have been £3m (as quoted by various sources) with it spread over time, based on appearances etc, same as the £6m in the summer. After the negotiations, the club agree £1.5m, but all upfront, immediately paid for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Good luck to him, decent player. 1.5m though? I know he didn't have much contract left, but that's still a bit of a mugging! Not really. We wanted to keep him as a quality fringe player and offered good terms but he shows class by opting for regular football over a big pay day. Once he made that decision the money was largely irrelevant with six months left on the contract. Top man who will do well at swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portugalsaint Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Good luck to Jack Cork, he has been solid for Saints and at least he leaves on good terms with the management. He's still young and needs to play which the present management could not guarantee, everyone's open and honest about it. Good luck Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 That the headline figure that was offered in the summer and the headline figure that was agreed now could well have been under different conditions. For example, the original deal offered by Swansea this week might have been £3m (as quoted by various sources) with it spread over time, based on appearances etc, same as the £6m in the summer. After the negotiations, the club agree £1.5m, but all upfront, immediately paid for example. If we accept (as you do, as you don't even accept the players involved know) that no one outside of the club finance officer is ever going to know those details ever, shall we just use headline figures as a reasonable guide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 If we accept (as you do, as you don't even accept the players involved know) that no one outside of the club finance officer is ever going to know those details ever, shall we just use headline figures as a reasonable guide? No, because you're missing the point - the difference between a deal agreed and a deal/offer proposed by only one party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Would have preferred he stayed, but looks like he wanted to go. He's got to live in Swansea though & that's a hell of a cost!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Gotta say fair play, Jack. Going for the football, which hasn't always been the case. I personally think it's a mistake by potentially both parties, but if Koeman has already got his eyes on other, better players, then Cork's opportunities here are going to be limited. The real test of how fans feel about a player comes when they return to SMS. I think Jack will be warmly welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 No, because you're missing the point - the difference between a deal agreed and a deal/offer proposed by only one party. Well, you won't ever know the details of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Well, you won't ever know the details of either. I know, that's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 I know, that's my point. Fair enough. Don't go commenting on transfer fees ever again, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Fair enough. Don't go commenting on transfer fees ever again, then. Why not? You're still struggling to get your head around the difference between a fee offered at one point in time and a fee agreed 6months later. It's not complicated, but don't let it upset you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Give it time, another big summer coming up.... So you possess a desperate need to be proven right after being shown to be a c**t all last summer. At least you've warned us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Why not? You're still struggling to get your head around the difference between a fee offered at one point in time and a fee agreed 6months later. It's not complicated, but don't let it upset you so much. You seem to be unable to accept the player involved having more than a weeny bit of knowledge of both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 So you possess a desperate need to be proven right after being shown to be a c**t all last summer. At least you've warned us. Never spent time in the slammer for being a **** on the internet. You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 I think Reed has looked pretty good of late, not far off Cork's level for me. Sad to see him go and not the best timing, bit not exactly the end of the world. Exactly. Don't wish him ill, don't wish him well, he's now just another player at any other club. Time to make a stake, Harrison Reed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 You seem to be unable to accept the player involved having more than a weeny bit of knowledge of both of them. No, I haven't said the player doesn't have knowledge of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Classy player, classy footballer. Good luck Jack, you deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonawaytravel Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 This is a bit like when we all thought we were getting 9m for rickie , oh well never mind guys hey we are 3rd in the league coyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Hopefully he does a quick lap around the pitch after the game on sunday (i know he won't be in the squad!) would be nice to show our appreciation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Good luck cork.... Now a new midfielder please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 Hopefully he does a quick lap around the pitch after the game on sunday (i know he won't be in the squad!) would be nice to show our appreciation. Why? He turned down a new contract . He had the chance to play for us but decided to go to Swansea , and you want us to give him a lap of honour? Weird ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 yet he's one of the better CMs in the premier league and very consistent. He really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap in the Chapel Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 A shame to see him go. Jack Cork is a good, honest professional who had very few poor games for us and eventually found himself crowded out on merit. He's leaving us for the best of reasons as well - he's a player who just wants to play regularly. Nothing wrong with that at all. Good luck, Jack, in every game you play against teams other than Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 Good solid mid-table PL midfielder, gone to a good solid mid-table PL club. The absence of bids from other clubs in the top 6 is notable, given that he has been touted around for half a season. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 Good solid mid-table PL midfielder, gone to a good solid mid-table PL club. The absence of bids from other clubs in the top 6 is notable, given that he has been touted around for half a season. Good luck to him. By "notable" I'll assume you mean "as expected". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 By "notable" I'll assume you mean "as expected". It didn't need explaining. Have a day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 It didn't need explaining. Have a day off. I didn't ask for an explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 A shame to see him go. Jack Cork is a good, honest professional who had very few poor games for us and eventually found himself crowded out on merit. He's leaving us for the best of reasons as well - he's a player who just wants to play regularly. Nothing wrong with that at all. Good luck, Jack, in every game you play against teams other than Southampton. Agree entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 Says a lot about where Saintsfc currently are that there's no room for a player of Jack's quality and that he can leave without a meltdown on here! Good luck to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 He seemed a bit gutted in that video. Very downbeat. I think it's with a heavy heart on both sides that he leaves the club. Good luck Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 looking at a 25 year old player who was an ever-present in the L1 season, but has since been overshadowed in the Championship / Prem. seasons by others, Jack only got games when others were injured. He would have felt he spent too much time on the bench and not enough from the start. One quote yesterday(about contract offer) said ..." it wasn't about the numbers, it was about playing time." Says it all. I don't blame him really, he still has a good few years of football in him, and he'll be one of the first names on Garry Monk's team sheet every week which is what he wants / needs. The bottom line being - we got £4 million for a " bench player " who cost 750K five years ago, and contributed well enough to the journey with over 120 games. Good luck Jack. If he stays fit ...Swansea may see a good emerging Prem. midfielder, and they will say they got a good deal in this market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 looking at a 25 year old player who was an ever-present in the L1 season, but has since been overshadowed in the Championship / Prem. seasons by others, Jack only got games when others were injured. He would have felt he spent too much time on the bench and not enough from the start. One quote yesterday(about contract offer) said ..." it wasn't about the numbers, it was about playing time." Says it all. I don't blame him really, he still has a good few years of football in him, and he'll be one of the first names on Garry Monk's team sheet every week which is what he wants / needs. The bottom line being - we got £4 million for a " bench player " who cost 750K five years ago, and contributed well enough to the journey with over 120 games. Good luck Jack. If he stays fit ...Swansea may see a good emerging Prem. midfielder, and they will say they got a good deal in this market. He joined us on 7 July 2011, not in League One. His return from injury in the fall of 2012 was when our season turned around. He was only overshadowed after Wanyama arrived, and not always then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 Did we fall in 2012? I don't remember that, I thought we had a good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 Did we fall in 2012? I don't remember that, I thought we had a good year. Zing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 Sorry to see hom leave, as he always gave 100% to the cause. I'll miss him, but wish him luck with Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 31 January, 2015 Share Posted 31 January, 2015 looking at a 25 year old player who was an ever-present in the L1 season, but has since been overshadowed in the Championship / Prem. seasons by others, Jack only got games when others were injured. He would have felt he spent too much time on the bench and not enough from the start. One quote yesterday(about contract offer) said ..." it wasn't about the numbers, it was about playing time." Says it all. I don't blame him really, he still has a good few years of football in him, and he'll be one of the first names on Garry Monk's team sheet every week which is what he wants / needs. The bottom line being - we got £4 million for a " bench player " who cost 750K five years ago, and contributed well enough to the journey with over 120 games. Good luck Jack. If he stays fit ...Swansea may see a good emerging Prem. midfielder, and they will say they got a good deal in this market. Where the hell did you get £4million from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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