Coxford_lou Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2930573/Russian-bombers-skies-Bournemouth-RAF-jets-scramble-intercept-intruders.html Uh oh, Bear, what have you done now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Scary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Scouting mission to Fratton Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Must be a slow news day then as this sort of thing has been happening for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Must be a slow news day then as this sort of thing has been happening for decades. The Russians are still using the same planes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Hmm, coincidence that this little warning happens the day after the Litvinenko inquiry starts throwing out quotes like "state sponsored nuclear terrorism"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 (edited) Hmm, coincidence that this little warning happens the day after the Litvinenko inquiry starts throwing out quotes like "state sponsored nuclear terrorism"... Not really, they run same story several times a year, every year. Oct http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2814350/RAF-jets-scramble-intercept-Russian-bombers-North-Sea.html Sept http://utopiathecollapse.com/2014/09/20/raf-jets-scrambled-as-russian-nuclear-bombers-threaten-british-airspace/ June http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/national/news/11285970.RAF_scrambled_to_intercept_Russians/ Edited 29 January, 2015 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 It happens now and then however, it is happening more and more and their assets are far more aggressive in what they get up to against us. not a great deal we can do about it any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Its just military posturing, nothing more IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Its just military posturing, nothing more IMO sometimes it does become more. But nothing is reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Scandalous, isn't it, the way they keep hushing up these nuclear cruise missile attacks across Southern England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 I'm going to buy a drone and down one of these pesky commie bombers. They don't know who they're messing with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 18 Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 They do now :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 I'm innocent! I'm not danger! F*ck it, come on the, RAF C*nts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Not really, they run same story several times a year, every year. Oct http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2814350/RAF-jets-scramble-intercept-Russian-bombers-North-Sea.html Sept http://utopiathecollapse.com/2014/09/20/raf-jets-scrambled-as-russian-nuclear-bombers-threaten-british-airspace/ June http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/national/news/11285970.RAF_scrambled_to_intercept_Russians/ This QRA was unusual in that it was so far south - Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 I'm innocent! I'm not danger! F*ck it, come on the, RAF C*nts! They don't trust your cover story, when the RAF turn up you'll be like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Never liked Bournemouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Never liked Bournemouth... Recon trip for Putin's summer hols next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 The F15'S made my flat shake when they went over yesterday frightened me half to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 The F15'S made my flat shake when they went over yesterday frightened me half to death Were we invaded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 I work right next to the airport, I wondered what that was all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 The ambassador's been summoned to have his wrist slapped: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/11378119/UK-summons-Russian-ambassador-after-dangerous-bombers-disrupt-civil-aircraft.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 29 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 January, 2015 The ambassador's been summoned to have his wrist slapped: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/11378119/UK-summons-Russian-ambassador-after-dangerous-bombers-disrupt-civil-aircraft.html Bearsy is an ambassador??! Goodness it's warm in here, I'm feeling a bit light headed all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Arry's been wheelin' 'n dealin' again innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqbadger Posted 30 January, 2015 Share Posted 30 January, 2015 I'm sure it happens a lot, but it shouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/19/russian-bomber-flew-inland-cornwall-uk-airspace-witness Seem's the official position on the latest incursion is being questioned in the Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 Who needs an Air Force when we've got Claire the driving instructor. That's another £200bn saved on the defence budget then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 (edited) Interesting backdrop to all this. The US wants to arm Ukrainians at the exact moment France and Germany are trying to cool it all down. There was talk last week in some of the commentary pieces about France and Germany's bi-lateral action (e.g. not involving the US) being a potential sea change in European politics. Putin made comments about the key decision maker in Western European foreign policy having "no border with any European country" recently. That must have rankled, because it is true. Personally, I think our policy toward Russia has been disastrous, such as we've let it be decided by our friends in NATO. We keep talking about the value of perspective. I'm sure that we all see the accession of member states like Latvia and Lithuania as wondrous expressions of democracy, fruits of the West winning the Cold War. From a Russian perspective, it looks like naked imperialism eating into a historical buffer zone, particularly when NATO bases and artefacts of the missile defense (sic) system are being established in them. If Merkel and Hollande weren't already appraised of Putin's perspective, I'm sure their recent meetings in Moscow would have borne this out. Personally, I wonder how much we need NATO anymore. It was established to protect the West from Soviet aggression and the very real threat of Stalin's brand of communism from propagating all the way to the Atlantic. Communism is over in Russia, and one would guess permanent worldwide revolution took a nosedive with it. Are Russia's objectives the same as the Soviets? I'd argue no. Why bother to occupy Western Europe when there is no need to? There isn't a Hitler or Mussolini on the continent, Europeans and Russians have seen enough of general war and even the EU combined would be mad to have a go. There is some form of democracy stretching from Brest to Vladivostock, and while some of those democracies are definitely more corrupt than others, and Russia would be high on that list, it's a different world. We're more valuable to Putin as customers than we would be as occupied and resisting subjects. On the bombers, think this might just be Putin reminding us how fragile NATO is atm. Edited 20 February, 2015 by pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 (edited) Good points pap. On this sort of subject, I believe history will look at the turn of the century just gone as time of a lot of change. UK withdraws massively from the top table and post WW2 era takes real shape. The EU clearly wants a pretty settled Russia on their door step. Of course. The US shifts its main focus to the Pacific and now the crazy Islamic threat in europes door step. And of course China arriving at the very top of the world game. It will not be long before they have some real top military hardware to back up their enormous financial clout. No one can really keep them in check if their desires stand to spread even further. They already have half of Africa in the back pocket!!! I see real value in a joined up EU approach to dealing with all of this but NOT at the expense of looking after ourselves (that line in the sand has probably passed) The EU has too many "characters" for that to ever work and as it stands the NATO nations in Europe (which we are the lead) must provide the security to Europe from a different direction. How that happens I have no idea. Edited 20 February, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 (edited) I've been listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore Histories, which I thoroughly recommend, even if you have to buy the earlier ones. He expresses a view quite often, that in 1000 years when historians are looking back on this period, they're going to look at this entire period of 1918 to mid 2100s as the world finally sorting itself out from the effects of (drum roll) The First World War. It seems crazy, but history seems very compact when you're in it. Both you and I grew up with some of the consequences of the First World War, the Cold War being the most obvious example. From our perspective, the Russians have been enemies since forever. Over a wider timeframe, they've been rivals, but never the existential threat they were during the Cold War. The change in that country has been remarkable. In 1914, it was an autocracy on the verge of collapse, with a largely agricultural economy. In 2015, it is a democratic industrial nation with arguable super-power status. From tsars to communism to democracy, all within a century. I think it's inarguable that by subverting the terms limit with his little puppet, Putin is making something of a mockery of democracy. One wonders how much help he gets from former associates. Historically speaking, dictatorial phases of government are nothing new in democracies during times of major upheaval. The title was used a couple of times during the Roman Republic, but the custom was to give it back once the necessary crises were averted. Even if Putin were of that mould, he's surrounded by crap at the moment. I genuinely think that left to its own devices, Europe and Russia would probably get along fine. The situation in Ukraine was stirred up by the US (Victoria Nuland caught on tape in her f**k the EU moment) and the Germans, a very privacy conscious people after experiences in the East, already vexed about the Snowden revelations, are bloody annoyed at having to manage a situation where their US allies are arming the enemies of a historical enemy. The huge problem is of course, the potential dissolution of a US presence in the area if we all get along, or decide that they're doing more harm than good. That's probably why post-perestroika US foreign policy basically amounts to:- "That bear still asleep?" "Yup" "Poke it with a stick" "It'll wake up. It was real angry last time and had those big claws, remember?" "Poke it!" -- poke "Is it awake yet?" "Nope" "Poke it again" -- countless pokes later "The bear just bit me!" "It's trying to take over the WORLD!" Edited 20 February, 2015 by pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 This is getting boring now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 20 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2015 This is getting boring now.... What is? People talking politics on TMS? If so, I agree! Should be banned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 20 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2015 What is? People talking politics on TMS? If so, I agree! Should be banned! Oh bugger, turns out this is The Lounge. As you were, Pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 The way the U.K. defence forces have been allowed to be almost reduced to nothing is IMHO criminal. If such an enormous amount of money hadn't been borrowed and then given to other countries the U.K. might have been able to keep a much better defence force. None of the services can have all of their meager existing equipment fully able for use so how on earth could Cameron spout the carp he did the other day. Totally clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 The way the U.K. defence forces have been allowed to be almost reduced to nothing is IMHO criminal. If such an enormous amount of money hadn't been borrowed and then given to other countries the U.K. might have been able to keep a much better defence force. None of the services can have all of their meager existing equipment fully able for use so how on earth could Cameron spout the carp he did the other day. Totally clueless. What do you think is an appropriate mission for the armed forces? Defence of the realm? Component of an EU army? A projector of power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 What do you think is an appropriate mission for the armed forces? Defence of the realm? Component of an EU army? A projector of power? What do you think pap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 It happens now and then however, it is happening more and more and their assets are far more aggressive in what they get up to against us. not a great deal we can do about it any more And that is more concerning now our defences have been cut in half, cut in half again and cut some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 (edited) Our defence budget has shrunk to about 2% of GDP - which is way too small imo. In 1982 the budget was around 5.4% - somewhere around 4% seems about right to me. I spend far more than 4% of my income on various forms of insurance. Edited 22 February, 2015 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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