beavis17 Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 You do realise that one of the reasons Koeman is so good is that he makes players tick. If he wants a player, they're going to be good. ps we're getting Clasie in the summer! How are you so sure about Clasie?
Delboy Dave Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Just wait till when they are going to be born this century! Depressing as it really shows ones age. About 2 years to go..! This kid was born the year before Gazza scored that goal against scotland...
Appy Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Can he shoot? About time we had a midfielder that can shoot.
Sour Mash Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Bit of a strange signing, particularly in this window, not quite sure where he'd fit in the squad.
hypochondriac Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Would be annoying if we sign a midfielder in this window and neglect the area where we most need someone.
Matthew Le God Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Bit of a strange signing, particularly in this window, not quite sure where he'd fit in the squad. The article this is based on states if he signs he'd be replacing Cork if he doesn't sign a new deal and is sold soon.
Sour Mash Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 The article this is based on states if he signs he'd be replacing Cork if he doesn't sign a new deal and is sold soon. Cork, who isn't being sold this window. When Wanyama and Schneiderlin are both back to full fitness one of Cork, Reed or this Vilhena chap wouldn't make the bench.
SuperSAINT Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 The article this is based on states if he signs he'd be replacing Cork if he doesn't sign a new deal and is sold soon. They'll certainly be no shortage of takers for Cork either.
DuncanRG Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Just wait till when they are going to be born this century! Depressing as it really shows ones age. There will probably be one from the Saints academy in the next two seasons. Jesus.
Matthew Le God Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Cork, who isn't being sold this window. When Wanyama and Schneiderlin are both back to full fitness one of Cork, Reed or this Vilhena chap wouldn't make the bench. The press are suggesting if Cork doesn't sign a new deal then he might be sold this window, with Vilhena as his replacement. That way Saints get a fee for Cork and a replacement at the same time.
Sour Mash Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 The press are suggesting if Cork doesn't sign a new deal then he might be sold this window, with Vilhena as his replacement. That way Saints get a fee for Cork and a replacement at the same time. That'd make more sense, just can't see it being rushed through that quick. Makes for a potentially interesting end to the Transfer Window anyway.
scotty Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Go down to the RSH on Wednesday and take your pick! :lol: Excellent.
ART Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 What the f*ck do we have an Academy for, when Koeman intends filling the squad with 20 year old Dutch players. At the start of the season he told us he was bringing in experienced senior players to help our Academy players learn and develop.
Matthew Le God Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 What the f*ck do we have an Academy for, when Koeman intends filling the squad with 20 year old Dutch players. At the start of the season he told us he was bringing in experienced senior players to help our Academy players learn and develop. Have you not noticed Koeman has given a lot of match time and involvement in the 1st team match day squad and training to a large number of Saints academy players?
angelman Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 What the f*ck do we have an Academy for, when Koeman intends filling the squad with 20 year old Dutch players. At the start of the season he told us he was bringing in experienced senior players to help our Academy players learn and develop. Yup, it would be nice to bring the academy through wholescale. But...no one has been signed yet and frankly I don't really give a **** any more if all that happens is that they bugger off after having played 22 PL games. It was an interesting journey down and back up again, but now that we are where we are, my naivety has sadly gone to be replaced by a realism and intense dislike for the way things are. Still, I guess I'll be renewing the ST without hesitation.
angelman Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 As it is this season, newbies - Targett, Reed, Hesketh, Seagar. Have I missed anyone?
Matthew Le God Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Gape & McCarthy Reed played last season, so what do you mean by "newbie"?
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Yup, it would be nice to bring the academy through wholescale. But...no one has been signed yet and frankly I don't really give a **** any more if all that happens is that they bugger off after having played 22 PL games. It was an interesting journey down and back up again, but now that we are where we are, my naivety has sadly gone to be replaced by a realism and intense dislike for the way things are. Still, I guess I'll be renewing the ST without hesitation. Yup, its terrible being 3rd in the league and seeing exciting players mixed with homegrown talent....
sebastian firefly Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 What game can we write him off? ive already written him off
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 I can claim little meaningful knowledge of this particular player, but if this report is correct it is yet more evidence that we do seem to be focusing our interest on players the manager already knows and trusts. That's all well and good as far as it goes, but it does raise a question mark over whether we are in danger of missing out on potentially better players just because they don't happen to have played in the Eredivisie before. Another potential problem with this strategy is that when the manager eventually leaves - and he will at some stage of course - we may be left with a sizable group of unsettled players who want off too because they owe their allegiance not to SFC, but to RK personally. So are we storing up problems for the future here?
thesaint sfc Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 I signed him on Fifa ages ago and he's really good. Fifa usually get it right. COYR
Ludwig Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 I can claim little meaningful knowledge of this particular player, but if this report is correct it is yet more evidence that we do seem to be focusing our interest on players the manager already knows and trusts. That's all well and good as far as it goes, but it does raise a question mark over whether we are in danger of missing out on potentially better players just because they don't happen to have played in the Eredivisie before. Another potential problem with this strategy is that when the manager eventually leaves - and he will at some stage of course - we may be left with a sizable group of unsettled players who want off too because they owe their allegiance not to SFC, but to RK personally. So are we storing up problems for the future here? flipping hell, talk about inventing problems and desperately searching for issues. This is one of the most ridiculous posts ive seen lately. What....we should only sign players who have an allegiance to Saints? That narrows it down a bit. And I'm pretty certain that we haven't a adopted a policy of only signing players from the Dutch league. You're looking for something to moan about, have stumbled upon an idiotic point and seem rather pleased to share your stupidity with the forum. Get a grip, you massive tool.
Bearsy Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Yeah relax, I'm sure if we do sign this bro Les Reed will pretend he's heard of him before & was just about to suggest signing him anyway, so it's all cool & in accordance with Recruitment Strategy
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 flipping hell, talk about inventing problems and desperately searching for issues. This is one of the most ridiculous posts ive seen lately. What....we should only sign players who have an allegiance to Saints? That narrows it down a bit. And I'm pretty certain that we haven't a adopted a policy of only signing players from the Dutch league. You're looking for something to moan about, have stumbled upon an idiotic point and seem rather pleased to share your stupidity with the forum. Get a grip, you massive tool. Oh do calm down Dierdre.
Redslo Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Yeah relax, I'm sure if we do sign this bro Les Reed will pretend he's heard of him before & was just about to suggest signing him anyway, so it's all cool & in accordance with Recruitment Strategy It might even be true.
Ludwig Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Oh do calm down Dierdre. ha! Me calm down? You're the one sh*tting your pants because we might sign players who might want to leave if Koeman leaves.
Redslo Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 ha! Me calm down? You're the one sh*tting your pants because we might sign players who might want to leave if Koeman leaves. There is nothing to worry about. We are grooming Dave Watson to take over for Ron Koeman and all the players like him except for Forster, oddly enough.
DuncanRG Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 (edited) I can claim little meaningful knowledge of this particular player, but if this report is correct it is yet more evidence that we do seem to be focusing our interest on players the manager already knows and trusts. That's all well and good as far as it goes, but it does raise a question mark over whether we are in danger of missing out on potentially better players just because they don't happen to have played in the Eredivisie before. Another potential problem with this strategy is that when the manager eventually leaves - and he will at some stage of course - we may be left with a sizable group of unsettled players who want off too because they owe their allegiance not to SFC, but to RK personally. So are we storing up problems for the future here? Don't think so. Anyone who signs will have the club's structure explained to them. Besides, this chap would only be our third Eredivisie signing out of 10 this season. We've also signed from England, Spain, Germany, Austria, Scotland, Romania and Italy. Edited 27 January, 2015 by DuncanRG
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 My dear Ludders. If you want to avoid making a utter fool of yourself on here its probably best if you let the alcohol flush out of your system first before posting. Come back when you are rather less 'tired and emotional' and then perhaps we can discus the matter without resorting to childish insults.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 God I hope so, this kid is something special.
norwaysaint Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 I can claim little meaningful knowledge of this particular player, but if this report is correct it is yet more evidence that we do seem to be focusing our interest on players the manager already knows and trusts. That's all well and good as far as it goes, but it does raise a question mark over whether we are in danger of missing out on potentially better players just because they don't happen to have played in the Eredivisie before. Another potential problem with this strategy is that when the manager eventually leaves - and he will at some stage of course - we may be left with a sizable group of unsettled players who want off too because they owe their allegiance not to SFC, but to RK personally. So are we storing up problems for the future here? Seems a bit over dramatic. If you're always looking for what will go wrong when anything currently positive ends, there's not much to enjoy. One day RK wil leave, one day KL will sell the club, one day Morgan will be sold, one day Les Reed will retire, one day Fonte will be too old, etc. Just calm down and relax and enjoy the good bits. One day we'll be rubbish again, inevitably, but it's not yet.
Evil Monkey Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Don't think so. Anyone who signs will have the club's structure explained to them. Besides, this chap would only be our third Eredivisie signing out of 10 this season. We've also signed from England, Spain, Germany, Austria, Scotland, Romania and Italy. Probably me being thick, but who did we sign from Italy this season? (Pelle being from the Eredivisie)
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Probably me being thick, but who did we sign from Italy this season? (Pelle being from the Eredivisie) Taider?
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 ha! Me calm down? You're the one sh*tting your pants because we might sign players who might want to leave if Koeman leaves. He was only making a reasonable point, no need for your response to be so vitriolic
Ludwig Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 He was only making a reasonable point, no need for your response to be so vitriolic its not a reasonable point. Its a stupid point that deserves to be highlighted as a stupid point.
trousers Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Can he shoot? About time we had a midfielder that can shoot.
Convict Colony Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Can he shoot? About time we had a midfielder that can shoot. hahahahaha this all day
VectisSaint Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Don't think so. Anyone who signs will have the club's structure explained to them. Besides, this chap would only be our third Eredivisie signing out of 10 this season. We've also signed from England, Spain, Germany, Austria, Scotland, Romania and Italy. But the one from Germany (Elia) is really an Eredivisie product as well, so that really means 4 out of 9 (because Taider really doesn't count). Still signing from the Eredivisie is a terrible idea, we could have ended up with Bony or even Suarez if we had pursued this policy before.
pappalotti Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 The papers here say this window vilhena and in the summer Clasie. Vilhena now wants to move because clasie and El ahmadi are in front of him. To little chances to play. Good player, Will fit in premier Leaque like Tadic and Pelle . Now i know why the shirt of the saints was similar to Feyenoord in 1885?.
Bearsy Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 The papers here say this window vilhena and in the summer Clasie. Vilhena now wants to move because clasie and El ahmadi are in front of him. To little chances to play. Vilhena is gonna be so mad if we sign Clasie in summer! He's the new Wayne Bridge.
buctootim Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 The papers here say this window vilhena and in the summer Clasie. If that is accurate its confirmation MS is off imo.
Jesse Pingman Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Clasie is a good player but I don't think he'll ever become great, and if he goes to Southampton it will be because of Koeman mainly. I think Southampton should take a look at Marco van Ginkel, he's a player much more like Morgan Schneiderlin. In the 2013 youth European Championship he kept Clasie out of the first 11 and rightly so. He's always been regarded as a bigger talent than Clasie and I think he has much more potential. In his last season in the Eredivisie he was defensively solid and second top scorer at Vitesse with 12 goals in all competitions, behind Bony. Those two were the driving force behind Vitesse's title run and the club still hasn't recovered from losing them. The biggest reason why he signed for Chelsea in 2013 is because Vitesse, the club where he's from is owned by one of Abramovich's buddies and it's basically used as a chelsea light, with heavy ties between the clubs. Everyone here in the Netherlands was sad to see van Ginkel go to London and there were reports he wanted to go to Ajax instead. However Mourinho vouched for getting him personally so Vitesse refused Ajax, who made a higher bid than Chelsea did, and they sent him to daddy-club Chelsea. Also I bet it's hard to say no to the kind of money the blues offer for 19 year old... Anyway, he got injured badly early in his first season there, and when he recovered he already was out of favour at the fast moving Chelsea. I think van Ginkel could be another player who could flourish at Southampton, under the reign of Koeman. He potentially could become a fantastic midfielder, unlike Clasie who will be great, but never anything more.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Clasie is a good player but I don't think he'll ever become great, and if he goes to Southampton it will be because of Koeman mainly. I think Southampton should take a look at Marco van Ginkel, he's a player much more like Morgan Schneiderlin. In the 2013 youth European Championship he kept Clasie out of the first 11 and rightly so. He's always been regarded as a bigger talent than Clasie and I think he has much more potential. In his last season in the Eredivisie he was defensively solid and second top scorer at Vitesse with 12 goals in all competitions, behind Bony. Those two were the driving force behind Vitesse's title run and the club still hasn't recovered from losing them. The biggest reason why he signed for Chelsea in 2013 is because Vitesse, the club where he's from is owned by one of Abramovich's buddies and it's basically used as a chelsea light, with heavy ties between the clubs. Everyone here in the Netherlands was sad to see van Ginkel go to London and there were reports he wanted to go to Ajax instead. However Mourinho vouched for getting him personally so Vitesse refused Ajax, who made a higher bid than Chelsea did, and they sent him to daddy-club Chelsea. Also I bet it's hard to say no to the kind of money the blues offer for 19 year old... Anyway, he got injured badly early in his first season there, and when he recovered he already was out of favour at the fast moving Chelsea. I think van Ginkel could be another player who could flourish at Southampton, under the reign of Koeman. He potentially could become a fantastic midfielder, unlike Clasie who will be great, but never anything more. He (van Ginkel) certainly has a lot of talent, I think Chelsea's valuation may well make him beyond Saints though.
St Chalet Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 How are you so sure about Clasie? He has bought Martin O'Neil's house in Winchester now Michael Owen had finished renting it to house Gordon Strachan's training kit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 I'm liking the player insights from our Dutch friends - far more insightful than some on here. ?
david in sweden Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 YOUTUBE!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8x8WMbJmE0 OK but he can't have no.21shirt... .Ryan Bertrand's got that .....
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 Seems a bit over dramatic. If you're always looking for what will go wrong when anything currently positive ends, there's not much to enjoy. One day RK wil leave, one day KL will sell the club, one day Morgan will be sold, one day Les Reed will retire, one day Fonte will be too old, etc. Just calm down and relax and enjoy the good bits. One day we'll be rubbish again, inevitably, but it's not yet. Well thanks for your concern my Scandinavian friend, but you'll be pleased to learn that (despite one ridiculously OTT reaction) I've managed to remain perfectly calm all day. Back to the issue at hand - I put it to you that one of the reasons many progressive clubs are now replacing traditional 'Managers' with 'Head Coaches' is to avoid, or at least lessen, the problem of 'their' players wanting to follow the manager who signed them out of the same door when he goes. Clearly this concern does not rate very highly here at the moment, and considering how well things have gone so far this season that is quite understandable. But perhaps one day issue this might just come back to bite us. That is all. Now instead of attempting to raise what seems to me this mildly debatable issue, I should perhaps have posted how good this player looks on some silly kid's computer game. But as I'm not a teenager and I don't use my laptop for playing games on anyway I can't really do that. Maybe a dull comment on how impressive his YouTube clip looks would have met with widespread approval. But as almost any player can be edited to look good on there I don't really see the point of that either to be honest about it.
Jesse Pingman Posted 27 January, 2015 Posted 27 January, 2015 He (van Ginkel) certainly has a lot of talent, I think Chelsea's valuation may well make him beyond Saints though. A buy right away might be too much, but maybe a loan deal can be made for one season, with a set price to buy at the end, like with Bertrand. That way the risk isn't too big. Jesse - welcome. Are you Dutch? Yes I am, I followed Southampton after the Koeman bros and Pellè joined. I must say, the club has quite the appeal to a dutchman. It really has a dutch feel, with a youth academy that actually produces youth for its own first team regularly, and a manegement that doesn't let panick rule and buys. I like that the club actually has a direction instead of going with whatever the current manager wants, like most of the PL bg clubs seem to have. I think van Ginkel would be great for Southampton, he's a great talent but he's never gonna break into chelsea's first 11 now. He's not a ready made player yet. But a season or 2 at Southampton and he'll be a dutch NT starter for sure. With Clasie that's still the question. I don't think he'll ever reach the quality needed to break into the top 16 clubs of Europe. He has very little offensive game himself, he rarely gets into the oppositions box and he rarely scores. He does have a majestic pass from time to time and he's a real fighter, but he's only 169cm (5 feet 5) which is small for a defensive midfielder. Wanyama is 20 cm taller! That really makes a difference in a physical league. In short, Clasie might be a good player for a subtop club, and he might do great at Southampton, but I feel van Ginkel might become something better.
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