Saint Charlie Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 How would you rate his overall performances this season out of 10? 6 for me.
SNSUN Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 He's a lucky keeper in that he hasn't had too much to do. Sometimes makes mistakes, sometimes makes good saves. 6 out of ten probably accurate.
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 8/10 great improvement on Boruc and has years ahead of him.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 I'd say 7. Solid if unspectacular. There are very few keepers who don't have a mistake in them. Those of you who are disappointed or underwhelmed- who would we realistically be able to sign who is significantly better?
Stu Man Do Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 7 only issue I really have with him is how he deals with shots low and across him. Thought he should have either put a stronger hand or held the first one yesterday. Palming it 3 inches away from you isn't ideal! To clarify this though I'm no keeper and have no idea if that's a reasonable expectation from that sort of shot. Not as good as niemi more reliable than boruc.
nta786 Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 7/10 for me. However, he has put in some 10/10 performances, e.g. arsenal, everton crop to mind. From the top of my head, the only goals where he is at fault would be Aston Villa's goal, Sheffield United goal, man u's second goal and if your being picky, that newcastle goal at the weekend. he does have a slight hesitation about coming off his line, and he doesn't particularly like low drilled shots, However, overall great keeper, more than happy with, and he has time on his side and he's english!
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 I'd say 7. Solid if unspectacular. There are very few keepers who don't have a mistake in them. Those of you who are disappointed or underwhelmed- who would we realistically be able to sign who is significantly better? I don't remember Antti Niemi being as weak as Forster at commanding his area, surely we can get someone as good as him again?
Dr Who? Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Good keeper, who still has plenty of potential. Has kept us in many games. His kicking needs working on, but when he throws the ball out his distribution suits are play. 8
captainchris Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 6 for me. As someone said, doesnt have much to do and when called upon is quite often suspect.
Saint Benali Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 6 for me. His kicking and catching are terrible. Don't recall too many amazing saves just yet. Seems to lose focus quite a bit.
SaintSteve Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 6 - shot saving great, decision making poor, command of penalty box poor.. not as good as Boruc.
Saints foreva Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 7/10 for me. However, he has put in some 10/10 performances, e.g. arsenal, everton crop to mind. From the top of my head, the only goals where he is at fault would be Aston Villa's goal, Sheffield United goal, man u's second goal and if your being picky, that newcastle goal at the weekend. he does have a slight hesitation about coming off his line, and he doesn't particularly like low drilled shots, However, overall great keeper, more than happy with, and he has time on his side and he's english! Palace's 1st goal yesterday.
s0108787 Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 6.5 Not as good as boruc. Age and possibly attitude count against boruc, but without doubt he is a better keeper than forster currently is.
Batman Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 6.5 Not as good as boruc. Age and possibly attitude count against boruc, but without doubt he is a better keeper than forster currently is. and boruc is guaranteed to miss a fair few games with injuries
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 (edited) Upgrade on Boruc performance, injury, age and attitude wise. That's enough for me. Edited 25 January, 2015 by Unbelievable Jeff
sydenhamssocks Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 6.5 Not as good as boruc. Age and possibly attitude count against boruc, but without doubt he is a better keeper than forster currently is. This. Exactly
Convict Colony Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Some days 9 (arsenal away) other days 4 (villa away). I just don't like he doesn't come out much from his line as a starting position a la Loris/De Gea etc, I would take him getting lobbed once a season to have him further out.
Batman Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 watched a vid of last season goals on the OS recently Artur let some very soft goals in himself. great shot stopper, though
Saints4Prem Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 He is a good shot stopper but does not command his area, he never seems to come for the ball. Being so big he does not get down well for low shots and seems nervous at times. He needs to improve a great deal if he is going to be England's no 1. I would prefer a fit Boruc and have him as a back up.
VectisSaint Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 (edited) and boruc is guaranteed to miss a fair few games with injuries Has he missed any matches through injury this season? Forster's kicking is far far better than Boruc. Otherwise there is little to choose between the two, though I would say Boruc's shot-stopping last season was better. Edited 25 January, 2015 by VectisSaint
Matthew Le God Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 How would you rate his overall performances this season out of 10? 6 for me. No keeper is going to go a whole season without some mistakes. Our defence have reduced the amount of efforts he has to deal with, but Forster still deserves a lot of credit for only conceding 16 goals in 22 Premier League games. I would prefer a fit Boruc and have him as a back up. This is just crazy, putting aside who is better than who... Forster hasn't moved to Saints for £10m to sit on the bench! He has played a key part in the best defensive record in the Premier League this season.
shurlock Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 No keeper is going to go a whole season without some mistakes. Our defence have reduced the amount of efforts he has to deal with, but Forster still deserves a lot of credit for only conceding 16 goals in 22 Premier League games. This is just crazy, putting aside who is better than who... Forster hasn't moved to Saints for £10m to sit on the bench! He has played a key part in the best defensive record in the Premier League this season. Changed your tune since you were knocking Yoshida - now everyone deserves credit for our defensive record.
Leicestersaint Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 He has done well on many occasions but sometimes cocks things up.
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Has he missed any matches through injury this season? Forster's kicking is far far better than Boruc. Otherwise there is little to choose between the two, though I would say Boruc's shot-stopping last season was better. Yes, neck injury.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 I'm not really convinced there is much evidence that Boruc is the better keeper, or Vice-Versa. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Also, Boruc probably faced a hell of a lot more shots last year.
Matthew Le God Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Changed your tune since you were knocking Yoshida - now everyone deserves credit for our defensive record. No I haven't. In the past I've pointed out Yoshida's flaws, he is a reasonable player, but isn't good enough to regularly start if we want to challenge for the top 4. Which is why Alderweireld and Fonte are 1st choices. Forster has played in all 22 Premier League games. Yoshida is 3rd/4th choice centre back and only featured in half of them, Forster is the 1st choice keeper.
cellone Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 I'm not really convinced there is much evidence that Boruc is the better keeper, or Vice-Versa. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Also, Boruc probably faced a hell of a lot more shots last year. true
shurlock Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 (edited) No I haven't. In the past I've pointed out Yoshida's flaws, he is a reasonable player, but isn't good enough to regularly start if we want to challenge for the top 4. Which is why Alderweireld and Fonte are 1st choices. Forster has played in all 22 Premier League games. Yoshida is 3rd/4th choice centre back and only featured in half of them, Forster is the 1st choice keeper. In your defense of Forster, you point to our defensive record which is a collective effort; yet in the past have been almost at pains to suggest that it was inspite of Yoshida, not partly because of him. It's either a collective effort or not. Edited 25 January, 2015 by shurlock
Matthew Le God Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 In your defense of Forster, you point to our defensive record which is a collective effort; yet in the past have been almost at pains to suggest that it was inspite of Yoshida, not partly because of him. It's either a collective effort or not. Its a collective effort from the whole squad, but its not equal credit to be divided up in the entire squad. More credit goes to the 1st choice keeper who has played every minute, compared to Yoshida who is 3rd/4th choice centre back and... hasn't. Its very hard to be solid defensively and have the best record in the Premier League without a good keeper, you can "get away with it" if you have a drop in quality elsewhere in the side occasionally.
CB Saint Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Half of the people on here say he is worse than boruc, the other half say he is better. That probably means that he is as good as boruc only younger, with a better attitude
shurlock Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Its a collective effort from the whole squad, but its not equal credit to be divided up in the entire squad. More credit goes to the 1st choice keeper who has played every minute, compared to Yoshida who is 3rd/4th choice centre back and... hasn't. Its very hard to be solid defensively and have the best record in the Premier League without a good keeper, you can "get away with it" if you have a drop in quality elsewhere in the side occasionally. Never said it was to be divided up equally; only saying that when others have made similar arguments in Yoshida's case, you've been pretty scathing of the idea of collective effort or responsibility.
cellone Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Half of the people on here say he is worse than boruc, the other half say he is better. That probably means that he is as good as boruc only younger, with a better attitude like you're thinking.
Batman Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Has he missed any matches through injury this season? Forster's kicking is far far better than Boruc. Otherwise there is little to choose between the two, though I would say Boruc's shot-stopping last season was better. He is inured now is he? (Boruc that is)
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 He is inured now is he? (Boruc that is) On the bench today. (I assume you mean injured. I expect by now he's inured to criticism )
VectisSaint Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 He is inured now is he? (Boruc that is) As Whitey says, he was on the bench today. Boscombe made 8 changes, obviously prioritising on the League.
Bad Wolf Posted 25 January, 2015 Posted 25 January, 2015 Upgrade on Boruc in some areas but Boruc's better in others, Forster does however have age on his side. One thing they both struggle with is kicking. Forster is a really poor kicker yet still 10 times better than Boruc at it. Boruc's clearly better at coming out for crosses though, far better. 7/10 so far.
irene Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 You lot must be bored. Who cares who is better. Forster is only keeper you have and needs got behind. He gets injured your screwed as seems no plan to bring in a half decent number 2
angelman Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 OMG - Irene is back. You must be sad, bitter and twisted to still be coming back here with your bleeding heart attitude.
kermitsaint Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 To be fair irene is completely correct in her assessment of the situation . Odd that posters revert to abuse in reply ...
irene Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 OMG - Irene is back. You must be sad, bitter and twisted to still be coming back here with your bleeding heart attitude. Who cares if Forster is a 1 or a 10 he is what you've got so get behind the guy but half you lot don't seem to want to get behind your players or maybe it's more there has to be a scapegoat and the keeper is the easy player to make the scapegoat
irene Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 To be fair irene is completely correct in her assessment of the situation . Odd that posters revert to abuse in reply ... Sadly it seems a few only know how to abuse. They have not the emotional or intellectual ability to do anything else
Saint_clark Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 Who cares if Forster is a 1 or a 10 he is what you've got so get behind the guy but half you lot don't seem to want to get behind your players or maybe it's more there has to be a scapegoat and the keeper is the easy player to make the scapegoat It's a forum for discussing things exactly like this. Everyone gets behind Forster, it's not like we're all stood there at games debating whether he's a 7 or a 7.5.
Redslo Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 It's a forum for discussing things exactly like this. Everyone gets behind Forster, it's not like we're all stood there at games debating whether he's a 7 or a 7.5. Maybe someone should come up with a new song addressing this.
kermitsaint Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 For what its worth I rate Boruc ahead of Forster . Forster is more of a long term player due to his age though
sambosa75 Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 I'm concerned by his kicking and the fact he's constantly glued to his line. Wish he'd have more confidence when the balls hung up in the penalty area to come and claim. Otherwise, fairly decent and a good platform to build on.
Goalie66 Posted 26 January, 2015 Posted 26 January, 2015 I think some interesting points have been raised. For a big guy it is understandable that getting down to low shots will be harder .However, Hart is equally tall but gets down well to shots on the ground. I think that Forster is slow off his line and this is symptomatic of his confidence in reading a game. When I was at the Dell I often played centre forward. Like all goalies I was really a frustrated goalscorer!! However, it got me to appreciate and anticipate the game much better. I think that Frazer is a good keeper that needs to command more and be more assertive. Most goalies of his size are going to intimidate any forward. In this respect coming for a cross will put off the forward even if no or minimal contact is made. I am sure the coaches are working on this. Well I hope they are !!!
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