Saint Luke Posted 25 January, 2015 Share Posted 25 January, 2015 Thre is no doubt that Cork is ring rusty. Give the lad a chance he has proved himself dependable previously whne he is match fit and in form. As for the ref, thought he was poor overall but there was not one major incident he got wrong. Went with my Brentford season ticket holder mate who thought we were unfairly treated by the ref. Pardew did his homework, we were missing some of our best players, as I said previously I think they wanted it more than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 25 January, 2015 Share Posted 25 January, 2015 One thing I notice is that the reason why our passes from the midfield are going stray is that we're trying much longer passes than usual. Where Lallana usually came inside and back to get the ball, and Lambert and Rodriguez exchanged position nicely in the central area, now we have two wingers stuck to their side and going wider when we attack, while Pelle is alone wrestling with everyone. Given the importance of our two more defensive midfielders, we now have a massive gap between midfield and attack, as Davis is effectively a box-to-box midfielder rather than our most offensive CM. This is even worse when Schneiderlin is not there to take on Davis' role and allow him to move forward a bit. As a result, if our wingers have an off day (which they largely have of recent, especially Tadic), or they are closed out of the game, we can't get enough numbers or even passes forward let alone create chances. Hopefully when Rodriguez comes back Koeman can find a way of fitting both of them in. It would help our midfielders a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 January, 2015 Share Posted 25 January, 2015 One thing I notice is that the reason why our passes from the midfield are going stray is that we're trying much longer passes than usual. Where Lallana usually came inside and back to get the ball, and Lambert and Rodriguez exchanged position nicely in the central area, now we have two wingers stuck to their side and going wider when we attack, while Pelle is alone wrestling with everyone. Given the importance of our two more defensive midfielders, we now have a massive gap between midfield and attack, as Davis is effectively a box-to-box midfielder rather than our most offensive CM. This is even worse when Schneiderlin is not there to take on Davis' role and allow him to move forward a bit. As a result, if our wingers have an off day (which they largely have of recent, especially Tadic), or they are closed out of the game, we can't get enough numbers or even passes forward let alone create chances. Hopefully when Rodriguez comes back Koeman can find a way of fitting both of them in. It would help our midfielders a lot. We weren't winning tackles either. Palace just wanted it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 One thing I notice is that the reason why our passes from the midfield are going stray is that we're trying much longer passes than usual. Where Lallana usually came inside and back to get the ball, and Lambert and Rodriguez exchanged position nicely in the central area, now we have two wingers stuck to their side and going wider when we attack, while Pelle is alone wrestling with everyone. Given the importance of our two more defensive midfielders, we now have a massive gap between midfield and attack, as Davis is effectively a box-to-box midfielder rather than our most offensive CM. This is even worse when Schneiderlin is not there to take on Davis' role and allow him to move forward a bit. As a result, if our wingers have an off day (which they largely have of recent, especially Tadic), or they are closed out of the game, we can't get enough numbers or even passes forward let alone create chances. Hopefully when Rodriguez comes back Koeman can find a way of fitting both of them in. It would help our midfielders a lot. Very good summary...... Our full backs are also too far advanced and very wide...this left our two centre backs as a back two which Palace continually exploited.... We need to be more flexible and narrower at times. Pelle needs support. Time and again against Palace he was given the ball but didn't have an outlet and was caught in possession continuously.... Certainly that system is unbalanced. Tadic isn't helping he is not able to go past anyone and most certainly isn't a winger.... The irritating thing with him is also that he also spends all the game telling his team mates what to do when he's lately been our worse player himself ..... He should concentrate on his own game and raise it quite a lot !!! We lack rhythm at the moment and this is due to the players being too spread out in midfield, these symptoms are born out by our relative low possession percentages at times lately.... The possession we do have is mostly passing between our centre backs sideways... So there are several fundamentals from Saturday: Pelle too isolated, two midfielders too wide and not involved enough and full backs too far forward and also very wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Three years on and you still think it was about Man United's chances of relegation. Fair play, you can't help being so pitifully thick. Lol, no matter how you try and spin it, your "Man Utd are just as likely to go down as West Ham" comment is up there with the biggest laughs ever on this forum. Alps the other day nearly beat it... "Oh ok so 4th is better than 5th. I wasn't aware of this" but not quite. Not quite as spectacularly stupid as yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Lol, no matter how you try and spin it, your "Man Utd are just as likely to go down as West Ham" comment is up there with the biggest laughs ever on this forum. Alps the other day nearly beat it... "Oh ok so 4th is better than 5th. I wasn't aware of this" but not quite. Not quite as spectacularly stupid as yours. If you're going to attempt to pick me up over something I've written on here, at least get the quote right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Lol, no matter how you try and spin it, your "Man Utd are just as likely to go down as West Ham" comment is up there with the biggest laughs ever on this forum. Alps the other day nearly beat it... "Oh ok so 4th is better than 5th. I wasn't aware of this" but not quite. Not quite as spectacularly stupid as yours. Here is the actual quote verbatim:- "West Ham currently as likely to go down as Man United are". Under the circumstances of the time, it was a real rib-tickler. Judging by the derision it received, lots of us on here were obviously too thick to realise what he really meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 We weren't winning tackles either. Palace just wanted it more. This and Palace missing out the midfield and playing four strikers caught us out for the first 40 minutes. Us taking the led twice in such an open game meant we were playing the way Palace wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Have not read it anywhere, but was Gardos hauled off at half time due to injury or purely tactical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Have not read it anywhere, but was Gardos hauled off at half time due to injury or purely tactical? I would expect tactical as he was on a yellow, cannot afford to lose him to a red card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 We weren't winning tackles either. Palace just wanted it more. With the exception of Arsenal away we don't seemed to have put a great deal of effort into the cup matches. Not blaming RK for this. Perhaps the players need to look at themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Watching RK's interview, pretty surprised how open he was in his criticism of Gardos. Don't often see that from managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Watching RK's interview, pretty surprised how open he was in his criticism of Gardos. Don't often see that from managers. I can't remember the exact details, but think I read something from the fans of a previous team Koeman had managed where it said he would often openly criticise his players if he felt they hadn't played well. Will be interesting to see how Koeman manages Gardos going forward. I don't think he suffers fools easily and Gardos has generally been a bit of a disappointment all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 I can't remember the exact details, but think I read something from the fans of a previous team Koeman had managed where it said he would often openly criticise his players if he felt they hadn't played well. Will be interesting to see how Koeman manages Gardos going forward. I don't think he suffers fools easily and Gardos has generally been a bit of a disappointment all round. Yes, I was surprised by that also but RK strikes me as an astute man-manager and whilst I don't think he'd have said that about one of the younger players just breaking into the squad like Targett or even JWP, he probably figures that Gardos as a regular for his national side in his mid-20s will know that was a poor display. That said, Gardos was excellent against Man U and Newcastle so that's why it surprised me. I also suspect the links to the two young Feyenoord CBs at the weekend plus Toby's return in a couple of weeks should act as a spur to ensure a better performance v Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Have not read it anywhere, but was Gardos hauled off at half time due to injury or purely tactical? According to Ronald, he was taken off because he was having a nightmare and was not doing what he was supposed to do (paraphrased a bit but that was the jist of it). Not injury and not tactical, just plain having a bad game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 According to Ronald, he was taken off because he was having a nightmare and was not doing what he was supposed to do (paraphrased a bit but that was the jist of it). Not injury and not tactical, just plain having a bad game. Either that or we've found out he can't handle hard men CFs at all well. Anyway the problem looked to have come from our powder puff MF, got away with it at Newcastle because they're all wimps but Palace saw we were going to be vunerable there and exploited it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Anyone see what joe hart was caught on camera saying about their game on sat? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Anyone see what joe hart was caught on camera saying about their game on sat? LOL So what did he say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 So what did he say ? Caught on camera laughing saying "we didn't want to be in this competition anyway" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Caught on camera laughing saying "we didn't want to be in this competition anyway" Absolutely right, Saints are the same, a once in an era chance to make the CL, should not even consider letting the FA Cup limit our chances of that, FA Cup ? Been there, done that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Caught on camera laughing saying "we didn't want to be in this competition anyway" Where did you see this? Only thing I can find is this below, which isn't exactly convincing - his lips aren't moving. The commenter below suggests it's from an older vine, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Where did you see this? Only thing I can find is this below, which isn't exactly convincing - his lips aren't moving. The commenter below suggests it's from an older vine, too. that vid (using my phone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 (edited) that vid (using my phone) You may have been had. Seems it was from before the Sheff Weds game, and I'm not entirely sure he's saying "we didn't want to be in this competition anyway". Edited 26 January, 2015 by KelvinsRightGlove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Overheard a posh mum at the kids school earlier who happens to be a Palace fan saying how great it was on Saturday because they sat in the away end and the Palace fans sing a lot and don't swear like the Saints fans which is brilliant for the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Bugger,we would have been at home,probably to Liverpool Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 FFS, could've had the chance of spanking the bin dippers out the cup. Hey ho. Blue line etc. I hope Bolton or Palace do that. Palace could go far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 but guys, what about the butterfly effect/chaos theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 If we'd won would the numbers for the draw have been the same though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 If we'd won would the numbers for the draw have been the same though? Yes. Doesn't mean the draw would have turned out the same of course. Butterfly's wings and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Yes. Doesn't mean the draw would have turned out the same of course. Butterfly's wings and all that. I disagree as I thought such matters were divinely controlled anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I disagree as I thought such matters were divinely controlled anyway. What? By Alex Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 What? By Alex Jones? Rather her than this Divine [video=youtube;_X_YHg-ZEmo] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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