Hatch Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 assuming Arsenal finish 5th, What happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Posted about this the other day, I think we would still go through. I'll try find the article again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 We go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Oh actually, just realised what I was talking about before was if someone won the Europa League, not CL. I think in that case we may not qualify, as in the case of Spurs/Chelsea in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 it wont happen. No way will they win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 21 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2015 so if Spurs or EVerton win Europa League , which this year gets a Champion League place, there could be 6 English teams in the Champions League Seems unlikely to be allowed to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 The rules have changed since Spurs missed out after finishing 4th. There's now a maximum of 5 teams from one league. The only case that results in 4th NOT getting Champions League is if a Premier League team wins the Champions League and finishes outside the Top 4, AND a Premier League team wins the Europa League and finishes outside the Top 4. It's possible, but unlikely. The bigger concern is getting through the qualifier for the 4th place finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 arsenal wont win it,so it doesn't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Now that would feel like old school saints to actually finish in 4th but miss on the CL because of a fluke set of results:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 The rules have changed since Spurs missed out after finishing 4th. There's now a maximum of 5 teams from one league. The only case that results in 4th NOT getting Champions League is if a Premier League team wins the Champions League and finishes outside the Top 4, AND a Premier League team wins the Europa League and finishes outside the Top 4. It's possible, but unlikely. The bigger concern is getting through the qualifier for the 4th place finish. We need to stay in third then - simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Redslo has been working very hard and doing blogs about this kind of thing but nobody bothers to read them http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/european-qualification-rules-for.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 We need to stay in third then - simples yes, dont understand this 4th place talk! Fair enough for the top 2, perhaps Chelsea and City will be too much to catch but who is supposed to be replacing us in thrid then? My heart prediction is : City Chelsea Southampton Arsenal Man Utd Tottenham Liverpool My head says: Chelsea City Man Utd Tottenham Arsenal Liverpool Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Redslo has been working very hard and doing blogs about this kind of thing but nobody bothers to read them http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/european-qualification-rules-for.html Nice article, except the apostrophe in Champions (it should be after the s not before it, unless there is only one Champion in the League, which would be a pretty crappy tournament) and the use of EFFECTS, not the correct "AFFECTS" on Saints. You can tell it's good if I'm only picking holes in the grammar - and I've also seen something about the FA Cup Runners Up not getting a Europa League place any more too, FWIW. More of this stuff please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 yes, dont understand this 4th place talk! Fair enough for the top 2, perhaps Chelsea and City will be too much to catch but who is supposed to be replacing us in thrid then? My heart prediction is : City Chelsea Southampton Arsenal Man Utd Tottenham Liverpool My head says: Chelsea City Man Utd Tottenham Arsenal Liverpool Southampton Your head is irrational then. We've got 20 winnable matches, more than half of which are against bottom half sides, and 2 tricky away games at City and Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Nice article, except the apostrophe in Champions (it should be after the s not before it, unless there is only one Champion in the League, which would be a pretty crappy tournament) and the use of EFFECTS, not the correct "AFFECTS" on Saints. You can tell it's good if I'm only picking holes in the grammar - and I've also seen something about the FA Cup Runners Up not getting a Europa League place any more too, FWIW. More of this stuff please! RedSLO is American. Dodgy spelling and grammar are in his blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Redslo has been working very hard and doing blogs about this kind of thing but nobody bothers to read them http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/european-qualification-rules-for.html Though if you have read them then you will find this: "I have tried to pull this information together from various sources, but I am not 100 percent sure I am right about everything." basically because its all bloody confusing and not as clear-cut as it used to be or should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 What if we finish 5th and Arsenal finish 3rd/4th and win the Champions League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 What if we finish 5th and Arsenal finish 3rd/4th and win the Champions League? Then Arsenal enter the CL and we go into the Europa League. There is no additional 5th place in the CL for an English club unless this year's winner does not qualify through league placing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 RedSLO is American. Dodgy spelling and grammar are in his blood. I know where he's from, they're not American English differences though. Anyway, I stopped being That Annoying Grammar Bloke in about 2008 on here, so moving on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Anyway, Page 10 here has the confirmation about Cup Runners Up that Redslo was looking for (along with all the other rules in a none-too-helpful format). Ignore the first couple of pages being in Spanish, the rest is English. http://kassiesa.net/uefafiles/2015-18-uefa-access-list-explanations.pdf It says: 14/15 Domestic cup winners qualifying for the 15/16 CL via the 14/15 domestic championship will be replaced in the 15/16 EL by the next best-placed team in the final 14/15 domestic championship rankings (not by the cup runner-up any more). A load of (well, 5) scenarios are also included in the bottom of this document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 so if Spurs or EVerton win Europa League , which this year gets a Champion League place, there could be 6 English teams in the Champions League Seems unlikely to be allowed to me. cant see the TV companies (and they are the only ones that matter here) having a problem with more Premier League sides making the CL. In fact I'm surprised they haven't wangled it before so that more Prem sides made it in each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi7s Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 yes, dont understand this 4th place talk! Fair enough for the top 2, perhaps Chelsea and City will be too much to catch but who is supposed to be replacing us in thrid then? My heart prediction is : City Chelsea Southampton Arsenal Man Utd Tottenham Liverpool My head says: Chelsea City Man Utd Tottenham Arsenal Liverpool Southampton That head of yours needs testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Your head is irrational then. We've got 20 winnable matches, more than half of which are against bottom half sides, and 2 tricky away games at City and Chelsea.Not sure I understand this. 16 matches left, correct? 9 of which are bottom half sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Not sure I understand this. 16 matches left, correct? 9 of which are bottom half sides. F.A Cup games ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Nice article, except the apostrophe in Champions (it should be after the s not before it, unless there is only one Champion in the League, which would be a pretty crappy tournament) and the use of EFFECTS, not the correct "AFFECTS" on Saints. You can tell it's good if I'm only picking holes in the grammar - and I've also seen something about the FA Cup Runners Up not getting a Europa League place any more too, FWIW. More of this stuff please! Thank you for the kind remarks. I checked the UEFA web site and they don't use an apostrophe at all. Effect and affect are my Achilles heel. I never get them right as multiple secretaries have pointed out over the years. Since my secretary doesn't proof my blog entries, that issue will continue to affect or effect my blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Your head is irrational then. We've got 20 winnable matches, more than half of which are against bottom half sides, and 2 tricky away games at City and Chelsea. My head tells me we only have 16 winnable matches--at least in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 so if Spurs or EVerton win Europa League , which this year gets a Champion League place, there could be 6 English teams in the Champions League Seems unlikely to be allowed to me. No the maximum is five. If Arsenal wins the champions League, but finishes 5th and Everton wins the Europa League and finishes 12th, the fourth place team in the premier league will be bumped down to the Europa league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Your head is irrational then. We've got 20 winnable matches, more than half of which are against bottom half sides, and 2 tricky away games at City and Chelsea. As pointed out elsewhere ... 16 games. We didn't fare too well against lowly WBA, Villa or Burnley, but yes winnable for sure. The Liverpool and Spurs home games are going to be crucial, hopefully their good runs will be over by then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 As pointed out elsewhere ... 16 games. We didn't fare too well against lowly WBA, Villa or Burnley, but yes winnable for sure. The Liverpool and Spurs home games are going to be crucial, hopefully their good runs will be over by then!! Or we end them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Not sure I understand this. 16 matches left, correct? 9 of which are bottom half sides. Yeah it's a typo/brain fart, calculated it against games played not games remaining. Should say 14 and 2, 9 bottom half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 My head tells me we only have 16 winnable matches--at least in the league. Brain fart, 14 winnable matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Thank you for the kind remarks. I checked the UEFA web site and they don't use an apostrophe at all. Effect and affect are my Achilles heel. I never get them right as multiple secretaries have pointed out over the years. Since my secretary doesn't proof my blog entries, that issue will continue to affect or effect my blog. You're right that UEFA never use the apostrophe, presumably for branding reasons, but it should be after the s nevertheless. Things affect other things, and the outcome is the effect. A is before E, easiest way to remember if you're not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 (edited) You're right that UEFA never use the apostrophe, presumably for branding reasons, but it should be after the s nevertheless. Things affect other things, and the outcome is the effect. A is before E, easiest way to remember if you're not sure. Hmm, not really. The Champions don't own or possess the League - it is a League OF (or for) the Champions. So no apostrophe is perfectly fine. UEFA's Champions League I'll give you. But looks stupid. Back in the days when I worked in newspapers (not that glam at all) I had a two day argument about Ascot Ladies Day for the same reason. I did, eventually, win. True story. Edited 21 January, 2015 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Back in the days when I worked in newspapers (not that glam at all) Were you one of the Page 3 models?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 (edited) The rules have changed since Spurs missed out after finishing 4th. There's now a maximum of 5 teams from one league. The only case that results in 4th NOT getting Champions League is if a Premier League team wins the Champions League and finishes outside the Top 4, AND a Premier League team wins the Europa League and finishes outside the Top 4. It's possible, but unlikely. The bigger concern is getting through the qualifier for the 4th place finish. Only possible outcome of that would be Arsenal winning CL and Liverpool, Spurs or Everton winning Europa, all finishing 5th or below. I for one think we'd all agree that the best outcome would be us to finish 3rd, United or Spurs 4th (), Everton win to EL, Arsenal to win CL Liverpool to win nothing. Saints win F.A Cup. The end Edited 22 January, 2015 by Saint IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 You're right that UEFA never use the apostrophe, presumably for branding reasons, but it should be after the s nevertheless. Things affect other things, and the outcome is the effect. A is before E, easiest way to remember if you're not sure. I am not sure if that will affect my writing or not? Did I get it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 yes, dont understand this 4th place talk! Fair enough for the top 2, perhaps Chelsea and City will be too much to catch but who is supposed to be replacing us in thrid then? My heart prediction is : City Chelsea Southampton Arsenal Man Utd Tottenham Liverpool My head says: Chelsea City Man Utd Tottenham Arsenal Liverpool Southampton Because we might finish 4th, and all your rationalisation otherwise doesn't change that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Relieved to hear that anyone winning Europa league spot won't take the 4th spot away. Couldnt bear the thought of the scousers (Liverpool not Everton ) getting in via back door route at our expense.. Still hate that failure in CL leads to entry into Europa for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Because we might finish 4th, and all your rationalisation otherwise doesn't change that fact. what rationalisation have i suggested? Apart from we wont catch City and Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Thank you for the kind remarks. I checked the UEFA web site and they don't use an apostrophe at all. Effect and affect are my Achilles heel. I never get them right as multiple secretaries have pointed out over the years. Since my secretary doesn't proof my blog entries, that issue will continue to affect or effect my blog. Try the mnemonic rAVEN Affect - Verb Effect - Noun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Can't stop smiling every time I read threads like this - just can't belive we are having serious debates about CL rather than championship. never thought I'd see it in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 22 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2015 incidentally , you could put £10 on an Arsenal and either Spurs/Everton/Liverpool double and get about 300/1 So for a outlay of £30 you could get back about £3k to soften the blow should the worse happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Try the mnemonic rAVEN Affect - Verb Effect - Noun Usually, but not always. Effect can also be a verb. You could, for example, effect some changes that had a positive result, such as building a new training centre which resulted in us getting into the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Usually, but not always. Effect can also be a verb. You could, for example, effect some changes that had a positive result, such as building a new training centre which resulted in us getting into the CL. I just gave him a simple rule where he would have been right 9 times out of 10 and now you've gone and confused him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Were you one of the Page 3 models?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Not much chance of getting into Europe according to Talksport's super computer predictor. Liverpool get that 4th spot! http://talksport.com/football/supercomputer-reveals-final-pl-table-and-without-transfer-deals-150122133412? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 I just gave him a simple rule where he would have been right 9 times out of 10 and now you've gone and confused him again. That's my job in life I think it's still to early to get excited about where we finish but there's no harm in letting our minds wander for a bit. I wonder at what stage we can really take the prospect seriously, 4 games to go? That would be after the home game with Spurs. Beat them and maybe, just maybe, we shall be in with a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Only possible outcome of that would be Arsenal winning CL and Liverpool, Spurs or Everton winning Europa, all finishing 5th or below. I for one think we'd all agree that the best outcome would be us to finish 3rd, United or Spurs 4th (), Everton win to EL, Arsenal to win CL Liverpool to win nothing. Saints win F.A Cup. The end Well technically 1st, but I do like the cut of your jib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_O_Z Posted 22 January, 2015 Share Posted 22 January, 2015 Your head is irrational then. We've got 20 winnable matches, more than half of which are against bottom half sides, and 2 tricky away games at City and Chelsea. Teams fighting relegation can be harder to beat than top teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 23 January, 2015 Share Posted 23 January, 2015 Not much chance of getting into Europe according to Talksport's super computer predictor. Liverpool get that 4th spot! http://talksport.com/football/supercomputer-reveals-final-pl-table-and-without-transfer-deals-150122133412? The return of Sturridge and him linking with Mario will be crucial. And they need to cope with European games. And they need to keep Lovren out of the side. It won't be easy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now