aintforever Posted 8 September, 2017 Posted 8 September, 2017 If people cannot see that Davis adds to the team then it shows how little of football and team sports they understand. This.
doddisalegend Posted 8 September, 2017 Posted 8 September, 2017 According to the following study, Steven Davis was the most positively influential player in the Saints team last season, just ahead of Romeu and VVD: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40974299 Unsurprisingly, Tadic has the most negative influence. From a purely attacking point of view though Tadic has 15 goals and 24 assists in a 101 PL appearances Steven Davis 14 goals and 19 assists in 283 PL appearances.
syd_barrett_saint Posted 8 September, 2017 Posted 8 September, 2017 (edited) From a purely attacking point of view though Tadic has 15 goals and 24 assists in a 101 PL appearances Steven Davis 14 goals and 19 assists in 283 PL appearances. You'd expect Tadic to be even further ahead, to be honest. Davis isn't played in the same forward role that Tadic is... Davis has far more defensive responsibilities (and also is used more to link play between defense and attack), even when playing in the 3 behind the striker. Edited 8 September, 2017 by syd_barrett_saint
verlaine1979 Posted 8 September, 2017 Author Posted 8 September, 2017 You'd expect Tadic to be even further ahead, to be honest. Davis isn't played in the same forward role that Tadic is... Davis has far more defensive responsibilities (and also is used more to link play between defense and attack), even when playing in the 3 behind the striker. He's more than three times as productive in attack than Davis - how much better do you want him to be? And it was only last season that Davis ended up being shunted regularly back into central midfield - he's played an awful lot of games for us as the central attacking midfielder with Tadic directly alongside on left or right.
doddisalegend Posted 8 September, 2017 Posted 8 September, 2017 You'd expect Tadic to be even further ahead, to be honest. Davis isn't played in the same forward role that Tadic is... Davis has far more defensive responsibilities (and also is used more to link play between defense and attack), even when playing in the 3 behind the striker. Given the disparity in games played I can't see why you'd expect Tadic to be further ahead.
syd_barrett_saint Posted 8 September, 2017 Posted 8 September, 2017 Given the disparity in games played I can't see why you'd expect Tadic to be further ahead. As I said, different types of player. The success or failure of a player like Davis isn't judged only on goals and assists. That would be like judging Forster just on clean sheets when often in recent seasons it's been more down to having such good defenders in front of him that he has very little to do.
harriesss Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 A joke how he keeps getting picked. Sideways or backwards passing, slows play down. When he’s played recently (with the exception of a terrible Everton team) we’ve been appalling. When will he finally be dropped, or will this not happen because he’s captain and British? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Useful Idiot Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 A joke how he keeps getting picked. Sideways or backwards passing, slows play down. When he’s played recently (with the exception of a terrible Everton team) we’ve been appalling. When will he finally be dropped, or will this not happen because he’s captain and British? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He works hard and covers a lot of ground. He also rarely makes a forward pass, a tackle, or an interception but he's the most underrated player in Premier League history despite all of that because he links play* well. *passes sideways
verlaine1979 Posted 13 December, 2017 Author Posted 13 December, 2017 He was rubbish three-ish years ago when I started this thread, and he's gotten no better since. Was horrendously slow, weak and indecisive today.
beavis17 Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 Was poor tonight, but so was everyone else.
Hodgey Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 He was poor - but no worse than Romeu and Lemina. All 3 looked like they were playing in custard filled wellies. Mind you that is still no excuse for the dreadful defending by our two cbs..
austsaint Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 Davis was poor tonight, as were our entire midfield. No doubt in my mind, he is in decline from the hard working, shuttling, eye for a good pass player he has been for Saints for so long. Hojbjerg is deserving of more Football at Davis' expense - JWP is not the replacement for Davis, and with Tadic and Redmond mostly mediocre, an attacking midfield replacement is badly needed.
whelk Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 V poor today. They all played like they’d been got at.
LGTL Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 Diabolical. Couldn't pass, couldn't run, couldn't tackle, couldn't do ****ing anything.
woodsaint Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 A joke how he keeps getting picked. Sideways or backwards passing, slows play down. When he’s played recently (with the exception of a terrible Everton team) we’ve been appalling. When will he finally be dropped, or will this not happen because he’s captain and British? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He was dropped against City and also against Arsenal just 3 days ago.... Just trying to find a fall guy. The whole team was s**** tonight, but sure lets single out Davis
Edmonton Saint Posted 13 December, 2017 Posted 13 December, 2017 He was dropped against City and also against Arsenal just 3 days ago.... Just trying to find a fall guy. The whole team was s**** tonight, but sure lets single out Davis Yep and both games he was dropped we played much better.
woodsaint Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 Yep and both games he was dropped we played much better. Because we had huge amounts of creativity in both of those games. Most of it was spent defending
PeteCampbell Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 I've always like SD but I think we have seen in the last couple of weeks that he is now a bench player. Tonight he was diabolical and Pellegrino can't have been impressed. Lemina, Romeu and even Hojbjerg all much better and JWP is also there as a younger option.
doddisalegend Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 Yep and both games he was dropped we played much better. Much better might be stretching it we sat back and defended for the majority of both those games. Probably what we should have done last night...
S-Clarke Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 Looked like a lower league player whose legs had gone.
saint-crinny Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 Have been a big fan of Davis but last night was probably his worst display for us, really poor and was surprising he did the 90. Just wonder if age is now showing and we've seen the best of him. Thought it when Chilwell easily ran him off the ball at one point in the second half. Wouldn't start for me - certainly not against Chelsea. Rom, Lemina and Hoj in that one (not that either Rom or Hoj were in any way impressive yesterday)
austsaint Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 Have been a big fan of Davis but last night was probably his worst display for us, really poor and was surprising he did the 90. Just wonder if age is now showing and we've seen the best of him. Thought it when Chilwell easily ran him off the ball at one point in the second half. Wouldn't start for me - certainly not against Chelsea. Rom, Lemina and Hoj in that one (not that either Rom or Hoj were in any way impressive yesterday) Hoj didn't play! His recent performances have been outstanding. Davis id definitely on the wane. Has been a great servant just the same.
Saint Garrett Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 Always been a big fan of Davis, but he was terrible last night. Think we now have 4 other CM's ahead of him... Romeu, Lemina, Hojbjerg & Prowsey.
SaintMB Posted 14 December, 2017 Posted 14 December, 2017 Davis was terrible. Anyone know what the win rate has been when he’s captained the side, vs others?
Marsdinho Posted 15 December, 2017 Posted 15 December, 2017 He was rubbish three-ish years ago when I started this thread, and he's gotten no better since. Was horrendously slow, weak and indecisive today. This. I've never really rated him anything more than a good player to have on the bench. His stats are shocking for the role he plays. Said it many times in this forum.
austsaint Posted 15 December, 2017 Posted 15 December, 2017 He was rubbish three-ish years ago when I started this thread, and he's gotten no better since. Was horrendously slow, weak and indecisive today. He wasn't rubbish three years ago, or even one year ago. He is in decline now. Verlaine, it's time you shifted your focus to a player like JWP; when are you going to call him out?
Saint Billy Posted 15 December, 2017 Posted 15 December, 2017 Davis is just one of many ordinary players in the squad. This coupled with a manager of the same quality is spelling bad times ahead.
verlaine1979 Posted 15 December, 2017 Author Posted 15 December, 2017 He wasn't rubbish three years ago, or even one year ago. He is in decline now. Verlaine, it's time you shifted your focus to a player like JWP; when are you going to call him out? If JWP was being talked up as one of the best/most underrated players in the league and an essential first name on the team sheet I'd call out the absurdity of that point of view as well. It's only the fact that Davis has been so mediocre for so long, and yet received such outsized praise that prompts me to say anything at all. I've got no vendetta against him personally, and in fact thought he was pretty useful under Poch, but since the Koeman years he's been toss and it's weird that he still gets talked about as if he's one of our best players.
The9 Posted 15 December, 2017 Posted 15 December, 2017 If JWP was being talked up as one of the best/most underrated players in the league and an essential first name on the team sheet I'd call out the absurdity of that point of view as well. You wanna get over to the Prowsey thread.
verlaine1979 Posted 6 January, 2018 Author Posted 6 January, 2018 Three years ago he was slow, mediocre and massively over-rated. Today he was a special kind of awful - mystifying that he managed to stay on.
SuperSAINT Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Three years ago he was slow, mediocre and massively over-rated. Today he was a special kind of awful - mystifying that he managed to stay on. Sounded decent on the radio!
saint77 Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Three years ago he was slow, mediocre and massively over-rated. Today he was a special kind of awful - mystifying that he managed to stay on. He was awful and really shouldn’t be in starting 11
derry Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Unbelievable that he was playing as an attacker and unbelievable that he wasn't subbed early in the second half. He just makes sure he stays away from physical contact and is just milky.
mrfahaji Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Thought he was anonymous for the first 60 minutes, one of only a few players not at least playing “decently”. But he did then have a spell when he did quite well. Not enough, but don’t think it’s right to say he was awful for the entire match.
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 mediocre and massively over-rated. Today a special kind of awful Bit like your posts really. I try not to criticise other poster's opinions but your are becoming a bore on this subject so pleas give it a rest.
doddisalegend Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Sounded decent on the radio! Dave Merrington was biging him up on the Radio saying he was making the sort of runs that have been missing recently with Tadic.
SuperSAINT Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Dave Merrington was biging him up on the Radio saying he was making the sort of runs that have been missing recently with Tadic. Yeah, I heard that. I think he's decent for us when not playing in one of the two DM roles. He's not going to get loads of goals, but is neat & tidy up there & probably better defensively from there than Tadic too.
pingwing Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Hid all the bits where he couldn't get them all out of his feet then, sad and infuriating as he got into good positions but couldn't do anything with the ball (yet again)
Saint86 Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Hid all the bits where he couldn't get them all out of his feet then, sad and infuriating as he got into good positions but couldn't do anything with the ball (yet again) Beautiful assist for long though...
ashnats Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 He was a live wire, he makes all the difference when he plays, a great link between Romeu Hojbjerg and the front men. Hope he plays in the next game, about 6.5 times more effective than Tadic.
simo Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Dave Merrington was biging him up on the Radio saying he was making the sort of runs that have been missing recently with Tadic. I thought he was on about Jwp ?
DT Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 He wasn't great today. Seemed to be off the pace Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
supersonic Posted 6 January, 2018 Posted 6 January, 2018 Looks massively off the pace and looked f*cked after 65 mins today. Why MP took PEH off instead of Davis i’ll Never know!
Pamplemousse Posted 13 January, 2018 Posted 13 January, 2018 I appreciate his service for us but he’s past his best by a long way. His stupid pirouette leading to Watford’s first is unforgivable really.
Ludwig Posted 14 January, 2018 Posted 14 January, 2018 I appreciate his service for us but he’s past his best by a long way. His stupid pirouette leading to Watford’s first is unforgivable really. Not the first time he's ****ed up at the back and cost us a goal. Why he plays over lemina, I don't know. Sent from my SM-J700F using Tapatalk
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2018 Posted 14 January, 2018 That first goal sums up everything. He was looking forward, he had options to play it forward. But he stops, checks, turns around and tries to go back. But fails. If he'd taken a gamble and played it forwards, even if he'd have lost it, that goal wouldn't have happend. All this playing it safe and backwards is anything but.
Saint Albert Posted 14 January, 2018 Posted 14 January, 2018 I appreciate his service for us but he’s past his best by a long way. His stupid pirouette leading to Watford’s first is unforgivable really. It was not the first time he gave up the ball to set up a Watford attack in that game.
GarrettIvo Posted 14 January, 2018 Posted 14 January, 2018 I appreciate his service for us but he’s past his best by a long way. His stupid pirouette leading to Watford’s first is unforgivable really. In full agreement here. He was an excellent buy for us, and has been a solid pro the whole way. But he's been at direct fault for a few goals this season that have hurt us greatly. At 33 he's now taking up spaces that should be filled by Lemina/Hoj/Sims etc. Maybe that's why we're linked again to Armstrong from Celtic. He'd be a natural replacement, although not one we absolutely need to have right now. Davis has a contract til the end of the 2019 season though
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