Colinjb Posted 20 January, 2015 Share Posted 20 January, 2015 Quite frankly I wouldn't expect anyone but the bravest of pundits to favour us finishing in the top four until it is a mathematic certainty. Even then some will await a points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 January, 2015 Share Posted 20 January, 2015 I can almost taste the bitter fury of whichever Big Club misses out. Southampton? Waste of a Champions League spot! If we end up losing our co-efficient and get knocked down to 3 Champ League spots because of their poor performance, where will that leave English football? Cinderella story my arse - this is business! The Premier League & UEFA need to step in here really before the competition is devalued. Sponsors will be going mad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 January, 2015 Share Posted 20 January, 2015 I can almost taste the bitter fury of whichever Big Club misses out. Southampton? Waste of a Champions League spot! If we end up losing our co-efficient and get knocked down to 3 Champ League spots because of their poor performance, where will that leave English football? Cinderella story my arse - this is business! The Premier League & UEFA need to step in here really before the competition is devalued. Sponsors will be going mad! In fairness the Financial Director of BT Sport will have the most sleepless nights. Will be a massive headache for them if we finish fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 20 January, 2015 Share Posted 20 January, 2015 In fairness the Financial Director of BT Sport will have the most sleepless nights. Will be a massive headache for them if we finish fourth. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 January, 2015 Share Posted 20 January, 2015 Why? Pretty obvious. At worst if we don't get through the play offs they've got a 25% reduction on their ideal number of group games featuring English sides. And even if we do, they're lumbered with a load of group games featuring a team with a small fanbase. In year one of a very expensive TV deal, not ideal. They'll want Man United in, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2015 Share Posted 20 January, 2015 Pretty obvious. At worst if we don't get through the play offs they've got a 25% reduction on their ideal number of group games featuring English sides. And even if we do, they're lumbered with a load of group games featuring a team with a small fanbase. In year one of a very expensive TV deal, not ideal. They'll want Man United in, trust me. Have you forgotten about the line from London through birmigham up to Liverpool which doesn't have an English premier league side in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 January, 2015 Share Posted 20 January, 2015 Have you forgotten about the line from London through birmigham up to Liverpool which doesn't have an English premier league side in it? Good point. They will be dancing in the streets of Truro, Trowbridge and Eastbourne if we finish fourth and that's a fact. BT just need to drop a few leaflets in Somerset and those subscriptions will come flooding in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 I can almost taste the bitter fury of whichever Big Club misses out. Southampton? Waste of a Champions League spot! If we end up losing our co-efficient and get knocked down to 3 Champ League spots because of their poor performance, where will that leave English football? Cinderella story my arse - this is business! The Premier League & UEFA need to step in here really before the competition is devalued. Sponsors will be going mad! I doubt we will hurt England's coefficient more than Hull did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPete Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Did anyone on here bet on; Saints to finish Top Four ..at 80-1 , at the beginning of August (after the Fab Five) had jumped ship and were were amongst the favourites to be relegated.? I tried to put £30 on at 100/1 when I saw how easily we were beating Newcastle in the third game of the season. It wouldn't let me while the game was in-play. After that game the odds dropped to 50-1. I decided I'd wait for the odds to lengthen a bit again before placing the bet, but they just kept dropping and dropping! Missed the boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 What a stupid comment. 4th is only better than 5th because losing over 2 legs leads to the Europa League (min 6 games). If it wasnt for that, 5th would be better than 4th (min. 6 games vs 2 games) ignoring the fact that losing the play-off game actually gets you into the Europa cup, wouldn't fourth still be better than 5th as it actually gives us a chance of getting in the CL proper? Having made fourth, we would have every chance of wining that two legged game. You seem to made your mind up that we would lose that game no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 I can almost taste the bitter fury of whichever Big Club misses out. Southampton? Waste of a Champions League spot! If we end up losing our co-efficient and get knocked down to 3 Champ League spots because of their poor performance, where will that leave English football? Cinderella story my arse - this is business! The Premier League & UEFA need to step in here really before the competition is devalued. Sponsors will be going mad! if two many big sides miss out they'll probably just increase the qualification positions down to 5th or 6th place in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 January, 2015 Share Posted 21 January, 2015 Good point. They will be dancing in the streets of Truro, Trowbridge and Eastbourne if we finish fourth and that's a fact. BT just need to drop a few leaflets in Somerset and those subscriptions will come flooding in. I heard Wrexham is a hotbed of Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 7 February, 2015 Share Posted 7 February, 2015 We will finish on 72pts if our points per game average from the season so far is applied to the last 16 games which I think after 22 games isn't a bad mean to base our predictions on. The thing I don't understand (please enlighten moi) is why everyone keeps quoting betting odds like they are a fundamental basis for the future as all the betting companies do is adjust the odds as a reaction to the money that's being placed on them. These odds vary daily based on newspaper story's, injuries and signings that occur at the time which then incite people to bet a certain way. For instance we were nailed on fighting for relegation at the beginning of the season according to the same sources quoted above and reflected in the bookmakers odds. They can see the future as well as the lookout on the Titanic can see icebergs. Top 4 will be extremely tough for us yes based purely on squad depth and from my perspective we have stopped getting goals out of Graziano but we are currently better placed than Arsenal/ManU/Spurs/Liverpool currently based on fixtures and points, its always better to be in front rather than reclaim points especially when your fixture list is about to get hectic. Muppet Alert July 2014 - Sky Bet Football Trader Jamie Munro said: "The combination of their mass sales and the fact that we’ve seen more money on them than any other club in our relegation betting has forced us to slash their odds considerably. "It's unprecedented to cut a Premier League club's relegation odds by more than half without a ball being kicked but the betting in our Transfer Specials suggests the situation is only going to get worse. "Schneiderlin and Rodriguez have been well backed to join Mauricio Pochettino at Tottenham and there's little to suggest reinforcements are on the way, while Ronald Koeman's lack of Premier League experience is also cause for concern." http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/9398282/southampton-slashed-for-relegation Just reviewed this and our average has dropped form 72 to 71pts based on current stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 (edited) Just wanted to update the stats for the current standings of the top 7 based on performance to date this season and try and give a semblance of who based on previous form is forecast to end where, for the purposes of this I am rounding down the forecast number. to 1 decimal place. I know there are play each other factors etc but I wanted to see what the average point return has been thus far and look at what they would need if all things being equal we meet our forecasted total. Chelsea - currently averaging 2.3pts a game - Forecast total - 88pts Man City - currently averaging 2pts a game - Forecast total - 77pts Saints - currently averaging 1.8pts a game - Forecast total 71pts Man U - currently averaging 1.8pts a game - Forecast total 69pts - They would need another 27pts to equal our forecast at 1.9 a game average which is 0.1 improvement on current form. Spurs - currently averaging 1.7pts a game - Forecast total 68pts - They need another 28pts to equal our forecast at 2pts a game average which is a 0.3pts improvement on their season. Arsenal - currently averaging 1.7pts a game - Forecast total 66pts - They need another 29pts to equal our forecast at 2.1pts a game average which is a 0.4pts improvement on their season. Liverpool - currently averaging 1.6pts a game - Forecast total 61pts - They need another 32 points to equal our forecast at 2.2pts a game average which is a 0.6pts improvement on their season. I think the Europa league and Champs league will see an impact on Liverpool and Arsenal, I expect Spurs to begin to drop points as their fixtures both in europe and league is very very tough plus they have had so many last minute winners to sneak 3pts its unbelievable mainly due to Eriksen and Kane whose form must drop off eventually for a few games. West Ham and Liverpool games massive, if we come out of these games well then I think Europe is definitely on as we take advantage of more rest and recovery than the others. Edited 9 February, 2015 by Convict Colony update for west ham game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 Surely if all you're doing is looking at the season to date and then applying that form to the rest of the season, you don't need a new table as it's always going to be exactly the same as the current table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 Surely if all you're doing is looking at the season to date and then applying that form to the rest of the season, you don't need a new table as it's always going to be exactly the same as the current table? yeah wasn't too bothered about the table as I just wanted to see what the average points performance was and what was required to beat our forecast total to try and see how plausible each team was, I think Liverpool really need to start winning a lot of games to have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 yeah wasn't too bothered about the table as I just wanted to see what the average points performance was and what was required to beat our forecast total to try and see how plausible each team was, I think Liverpool really need to start winning a lot of games to have a chance. They need to replicate their form of last season, I think it's too far for them. I'd say it's 2 from us, Utd, Tottenham and Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 They need to replicate their form of last season, I think it's too far for them. I'd say it's 2 from us, Utd, Tottenham and Arsenal. Yes, they would have to win nearly every game. I think we are probably looking at a worst case scenario of finishing 6th, just above Liverpool. Think most people would be happy with that, there will be a few players leaving either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 Come on chin up - we can finish third! Only third? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 I can almost taste the bitter fury of whichever Big Club misses out. Southampton? Waste of a Champions League spot! If we end up losing our co-efficient and get knocked down to 3 Champ League spots because of their poor performance, where will that leave English football? Cinderella story my arse - this is business! The Premier League & UEFA need to step in here really before the competition is devalued. Sponsors will be going mad! If we get in they'll never pitch it that way. We'll be Europe's Young Guns, proof that football isn't a big club dominated spectacle and plucky underdogs all over again. They'll say literally anything to stop us from wasting that Champions League spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 8 February, 2015 Share Posted 8 February, 2015 Only third? Or perhaps second! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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