OldNick Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I have given it to christmas to see if Jan is the right man. Before kick off yesterday I firml;y believed he wasn't. At full time and after enjoying the football on display i wonder.Although Im in the time for him to go camp. If he gets the team to win a couple of league games on the trot then he then may get a little longer from me, but as in the past we have been all too keen to get rid of the manager 'as it couldnt get worse' and even now we haven't learnt. I find with interest the same faces dancing on the clubs grave. It is easy to say there was other ways but unless you have the full facts in front of you with all the costs of players, then you cant make a true judgement. I dont know what NP required to carry on managing (although I doubt he had a chance) The chairman /board made a decision to go down using the acadamies products thus slashing our wage bill. LC may have been a better bet but he seems to have been outvoted each and every time which casts a doubt over his ability to convince his collegues to act his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I have given it to christmas to see if Jan is the right man. Before kick off yesterday I firml;y believed he wasn't. At full time and after enjoying the football on display i wonder.Although Im in the time for him to go camp. If he gets the team to win a couple of league games on the trot then he then may get a little longer from me, but as in the past we have been all too keen to get rid of the manager 'as it couldnt get worse' and even now we haven't learnt. I find with interest the same faces dancing on the clubs grave. It is easy to say there was other ways but unless you have the full facts in front of you with all the costs of players, then you cant make a true judgement. I dont know what NP required to carry on managing (although I doubt he had a chance) The chairman /board made a decision to go down using the acadamies products thus slashing our wage bill. LC may have been a better bet but he seems to have been outvoted each and every time which casts a doubt over his ability to convince his collegues to act his way. Nick use the old adage "Charity begins at home" and there has been very little at home this season for Saints fans. Therefore to give him any more time would be uncharitable to Saints fans. He has had a fair crack of the whip, now its time to move him on and get an English / British manager in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Nick use the old adage "Charity begins at home" and there has been very little at home this season for Saints fans. Therefore to give him any more time would be uncharitable to Saints fans. He has had a fair crack of the whip, now its time to move him on and get an English / British manager in In sum, 'chastity begins at home'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I watched every home match last season and do not recall us playing hoofball at all. This is the usual spin that is put up by those making comparisons between the ageing journeymen of last season who couldn't really give a toss and the youngsters, proud to wear the shirt, energetic, enthusiastic, playing attractive passing football...........but not quite good enough to get us three points at home. Give me last season's players every time and the number of home wins that went with them. Were you watching games at different ground mate? Last year was ALL hit and hope. The football was long ball all season last year - you are deluding yourself to say different. This year is mostly good football but no end product or tall defender - the 'football' is actually more skillful and generally a much higher standard however our results have been lacking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Last year all the cyber jockeys on here were saying give the kids a game, they can't do any worse. LOL We struggled last season with an experienced manager and experienced players and stayed up on th elast day of the season. Did anyone really think this season would be any better with a new set up and reliance on youth? This isn't going to work overnight. It might not work at all. But if they have put a three year plan in place then we will only know how successful it has been after three years. As fo being "wrong" Alpine. If you play black at roulette every spin you will be "right" on occasions. You come on every day and are negative every day and, with the nature of clubs like SFC you will be "right" by default on occasions. I don't recall anyone with any semblance of intelligence (including anyone at the club) saying we were going to set the league alight this season, so how exactly were people "wrong"? Hillarious. I said this strategy/wild experiement (delete as applicable) was crap and doomed to failure from the beginning. I am not one of those who said they would give it till Xmas. SOGGY, you'd give a manager until SFC were fighting re-election to the League before you would admit something was wrong, you are that limp-wristed. Are you releated to Neville Chamberlain, perchance ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 You could by saying Burley was a good manager, pr1cktoid. Never going to happen. He was shiite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 LOL, nice one. But Alpine will never back track on his views about Burley. In his world things were much better when we were nearly relegated after Burley left and making the play offs was pure luck. Yep, you got it. Back in May, the club avoided relegation and was untied throughout and looking forward to the new season under Crouch and Pearson. Your lover comes back and its a complete mess and relegation is inevitable. And your other lover is making as big a mess of the Scotland job as he made here. Even the majority of Scottish football followers are starting to hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 yep club was in relegation battle last year with better players and NP. This year is hardly a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 yep club was in relegation battle last year with better players and NP. This year is hardly a surprise. you say that as if NP was a good manager... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Last year all the cyber jockeys on here were saying give the kids a game, they can't do any worse. LOL We struggled last season with an experienced manager and experienced players and stayed up on th elast day of the season. Did anyone really think this season would be any better with a new set up and reliance on youth? This isn't going to work overnight. It might not work at all. But if they have put a three year plan in place then we will only know how successful it has been after three years. As fo being "wrong" Alpine. If you play black at roulette every spin you will be "right" on occasions. You come on every day and are negative every day and, with the nature of clubs like SFC you will be "right" by default on occasions. I don't recall anyone with any semblance of intelligence (including anyone at the club) saying we were going to set the league alight this season, so how exactly were people "wrong"? Actually, that's not entirely true. Turncoat Wilde, our illustrious football chairman, wrote in the Blackpool programme (if memory serves - it may have been Birmingham) that the play-offs were a realistic target. Whilst not perhaps going as far as saying that we were going to set the world alight, it was a statement nonetheless as far removed from reality as Wilde is distant from SMS most days of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 you say that as if NP was a good manager... lol Compared to what we have now he was miles better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Compared to what we have now he was miles better IMO. i think we all would agree that anyone of us would probably be better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Hillarious. I said this strategy/wild experiement (delete as applicable) was crap and doomed to failure from the beginning. I am not one of those who said they would give it till Xmas. Well you dont need Einstein to come to that conclusion.It was always going to be difficult.I said that the target this season is to stay up. I also asked give us a credible way of going around this is a different way. It is hard for any of us to know what financial restraints ANY manager would be under. If you are losing 300k a week you cant go and loan highly paid players and so you have to use any asset you may have.The Acadamy was the obvious way. I have no confidence that Jan will turn it around and will be surprised if RL does not act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Nick use the old adage "Charity begins at home" and there has been very little at home this season for Saints fans. Therefore to give him any more time would be uncharitable to Saints fans. He has had a fair crack of the whip, now its time to move him on and get an English / British manager inI canrt argue with that, but if the British man is G&D etc then I might wish to keep what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 yep club was in relegation battle last year with better players and NP. This year is hardly a surprise. That is why I get so angry this year though - we do have better players in places than last year - well we have some that give a ****e and try far harder. We would not be in this position if the manager had any tactical nous at all - I can think of at least 3 homes games where we have lost or drawn when a change of personnel or formation would of possibly seen us get a result instead he sat and watched or made a stupid decision. With NP he sorted out what was needed and kept us up - can you honestly see JP doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I canrt argue with that, but if the British man is G&D etc then I might wish to keep what we have. but what it is one of... billy davies iain dowie micky adams steve cotterill paul tisdale aidy boothroyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Actually, that's not entirely true. Turncoat Wilde, our illustrious football chairman, wrote in the Blackpool programme (if memory serves - it may have been Birmingham) that the play-offs were a realistic target. Whilst not perhaps going as far as saying that we were going to set the world alight, it was a statement nonetheless as far removed from reality as Wilde is distant from SMS most days of the year. I think that you can take anything that Wilde says with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Yep, you got it. Back in May, the club avoided relegation and was untied throughout and looking forward to the new season under Crouch and Pearson. Your lover comes back and its a complete mess and relegation is inevitable. And your other lover is making as big a mess of the Scotland job as he made here. Even the majority of Scottish football followers are starting to hate him. Do you ever watch SpongeBob SquarePants Alpine? I swear you are related to Squidwood! As for my "lovers"??? You really do need to grow up and leave the playground behind you mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Never going to happen. He was shiite. Yep, play off is his only full seaosn and midtable when he left. What came after was so much better wasn't it Alpine??? LOL Go check the stats, like him or not he still has the best record of any manager at SFC since the war...but don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I think that you can take anything that Wilde says with a pinch of salt. I can't believe anyone takes what that Judas coward says seriously anymore. Its what really annoys me really Ok old rosey cheeks is a complete tool in my eyes but the focus is always on him and nothing about the coward. Why are there not plans for Wilde out banners at Man U he is as guilty as Lowe for ruining this club in the last 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 but what it is one of... billy davies iain dowie micky adams steve cotterill paul tisdale aidy boothroydis Ince not still free as well? Some of those would be fine by me, but again unless we know the finances of what the club can afford then it is futile thinkng of these people. i would be very much in favour of changing jan (although I would like him still to stay at the club)and many of those above can work with young players.Sadly 3 of them I associate of long ball, my choice of Davies creates a dirty side (a bit like when we had Mc Grath Hollywood etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 is Ince not still free as well? Some of those would be fine by me, but again unless we know the finances of what the club can afford then it is futile thinkng of these people. i would be very much in favour of changing jan (although I would like him still to stay at the club)and many of those above can work with young players.Sadly 3 of them I associate of long ball, my choice of Davies creates a dirty side (a bit like when we had Mc Grath Hollywood etc) Once again we seem to be skating over the facts that.. 1/ none of those managers would be willing to be lowelife's puppet and tow the line ( hence n.p.'s removal imo) 2/ Lowelife knows this, so we are stuck with jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Once again we seem to be skating over the facts that.. 1/ none of those managers would be willing to be lowelife's puppet and tow the line ( hence n.p.'s removal imo) 2/ Lowelife knows this, so we are stuck with jan. but...the same said when burley arrived..."we will get no one worth their salt because of lowe.." then we got burley who had a big reputation.. so excuse if I dont buy that line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 yep club was in relegation battle last year with better players and NP. This year is hardly a surprise. I do believe we were midtable under Burley before he left at around this time last year. We are currently going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 but...the same said when burley arrived..."we will get no one worth their salt because of lowe.." then we got burley who had a big reputation.. so excuse if I dont buy that line... burley towed the line , can u see ince or davies putting up with his meddling? think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 burley towed the line , can u see ince or davies putting up with his meddling? think about it. i remember quite well...burleys name was mentioned after arry left..he immediately dismissed on here and everywhere else due to the fact he would never work with lowe after what happened at hearts and derby... he did work with lowe AND SCW...... so, i dont tend to buy the line that "no one will work with lowe"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 i remember quite well...burleys name was mentioned after arry left..he immediately dismissed on here and everywhere else due to the fact he would never work with lowe after what happened at hearts and derby... he did work with lowe AND SCW...... so, i dont tend to buy the line that "no one will work with lowe"... No one 'decent' will work with Lowe IMHO. You can have several desperate unemployed managers. Rule 1 in Footy always has been: Get the best manager available and stick with him. Rule 1 has continually been broken by Lowe, so every chance he'll attract a poor replacement - probably better than JP I grant you - but unlikely to be good enough to steer this team out of the relegation zone IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 but burley was linked with prem jobs...birmingham in particular and Rangers.. he was THE BEST available at the time...even in the press he was dismissed as a candidate due to the lowe factor.. he came..and worked with a funny title for a while.. so, bash lowe for all sorts but an out of work manager will tend to want to work.... as shown with burley 2 years ago or so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Yep, play off is his only full seaosn and midtable when he left. What came after was so much better wasn't it Alpine??? LOL Go check the stats, like him or not he still has the best record of any manager at SFC since the war...but don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda. If you really are so betrothen to stats, why arent you screaming for JPs head ? No, dont wait for the translation, answer the question. No ? OK I'll answer for you. Burley and JP were appointed by LOWE NP was appointed by CROUCH, but no one has ever read a post from you saying "Give NP time" Conlclusion ? You....are...a...LUVVIE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 If you really are so betrothen to stats, why arent you screaming for JPs head ? No, dont wait for the translation, answer the question. No ? OK I'll answer for you. Burley and JP were appointed by LOWE NP was appointed by CROUCH, but no one has ever read a post from you saying "Give NP time" Conlclusion ? You....are...a...LUVVIE.to be fair I cant recall you being a great backer of NP. you wanted others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 to be fair I cant recall you being a great backer of NP. you wanted others. I have never denied it. But he was chosen (out of almost nowhere), and did a job. Again, I dont see what your point is. Because I didnt name him before Burley piissed off, I cant support him ? The discussion on this site is getting more and more petty and obsessed with trivia in order to defend indefensible positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I have never denied it. But he was chosen (out of almost nowhere), and did a job. Again, I dont see what your point is. Because I didnt name him before Burley piissed off, I cant support him ? The discussion on this site is getting more and more petty and obsessed with trivia in order to defend indefensible positions.I suspect most would see the point that you are using NP as a stick to beat the club with, when all along you didnt rate him either. The point is you aint been happy with any choices of manager and so from GB thru to jan you have been complaining. Now that is fine but you cant pick and choose who to use just because it suits your particular arguement of the day.By the way happy new year to you and may we argue happily in the coming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I suspect most would see the point that you are using NP as a stick to beat the club with, when all along you didnt rate him either. The point is you aint been happy with any choices of manager and so from GB thru to jan you have been complaining. Now that is fine but you cant pick and choose who to use just because it suits your particular arguement of the day.By the way happy new year to you and may we argue happily in the coming year. How supremely arrogant of you to tell me what I was thinking. Its a pity that the previous site shut down, because I would defy you to find any evidence of me slagging NP off. No, instead you make piissy accusations like that without any recourse for me to clear my name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 How supremely arrogant of you to tell me what I was thinking. Its a pity that the previous site shut down, because I would defy you to find any evidence of me slagging NP off. No, instead you make piissy accusations like that without any recourse for me to clear my name. (my quote )to be fair I cant recall you being a great backer of NP. you wanted others. (your reply)I have never denied it. But he was chosen (out of almost nowhere), and did a job. Your reply above would to most seem to let us know what you were thinking.I did not say you slagged him off by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 (my quote )to be fair I cant recall you being a great backer of NP. you wanted others. (your reply)I have never denied it. But he was chosen (out of almost nowhere), and did a job. Your reply above would to most seem to let us know what you were thinking.I did not say you slagged him off by the way. He wasnt my #1 choice for the job, but I doubt he was anybodys. He still had support from many of us, execpt the likes of you and SOGGY who have tried to belittle his achievement of keeping us up. Again, your point is totally irrelevant and is simply a cheap swipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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