Turkish Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Indeed.... but we cant pay them £150k a week.... its always about the money, whatever BS they come out with about 'testing themselves' - as for the other old chestnut about 'winning things', they seem to forget that if they stayed they would here.... Sadly, the game is all about money, as opposed to the 'TEAM' challenge, and being part of something unique and special. Things have changed. I'm pretty sure not so long ago some on here were telling us that our academy players will all stay here because they can play premier league football with their mates they grew up with, top stars would join us because it's a nice part of the country to live in and they'd be doing all this in front of 50,000 fans coming from the length and bredth of the country, all paying a tenner each for the honour.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 It'll be similar to the Shaw deal. An agreement has been made between the player and Arsenal. Arsenal still have to agree a fee with us, which will be done in the Summer.
david in sweden Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Is the earth really flat? ...only on the pitches at Citeh ....and Chelsea.
david in sweden Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Does he primarily want CL football? He sad he wanted to play for a "big club" one day. ...maybe he meant he wanted to play ....in a bigger stadium ?
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 It'll be similar to the Shaw deal. An agreement has been made between the player and Arsenal. Arsenal still have to agree a fee with us, which will be done in the Summer. Isn't that tapping up? I didn't think players were allowed to talk top another club before that club had agreed a fee with the parent club first.
Bucks Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Isn't that tapping up? I didn't think players were allowed to talk top another club before that club had agreed a fee with the parent club first. 100% this. A player under contract is unable to talk to another club, never mind agree anything, unless they are in the final 6 months of said contract
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Isn't that tapping up? I didn't think players were allowed to talk top another club before that club had agreed a fee with the parent club first. Not how transfers happen anymore. The two agents appoint an intermediary (ie. a mediator) so the agents both independently go to said mediator and discuss terms. This means the agents never discuss a deal, hence no tapping up.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 100% this. A player under contract is unable to talk to another club, never mind agree anything, unless they are in the final 6 months of said contract Not how it works unfortunately. See post above.
scotty Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 So, what happens if Schneiderlin agrees a move to arsenal for cl football, and we end up top 4 and they don't?
Verbal Kint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 So, what happens if Schneiderlin agrees a move to arsenal for cl football, and we end up top 4 and they don't? He'll go anyway and maybe we can start putting this myth to bed that footballers are desperate for champions league football above all else for the chance to test themselves against the mighty BATE Borisov or APOEL Nicosia, and in fact what they really care about is earning a **** load of cash
Bucks Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 (edited) Not how it works unfortunately. See post above. The player still has to agree a deal though, no matter which individuals discuss it. This report is all about he has a deal. I doubt it is just a case of "well Morgan has told me to tell you, to tell the other person, to tell Arsenal that he absolutely promises to sign in the summer, cross his heart and hopes to die". Edited 16 January, 2015 by Bucks Saint
Batman Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 100% this. A player under contract is unable to talk to another club, never mind agree anything, unless they are in the final 6 months of said contract How come shaw was set for Man United last January?
Bucks Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 How come shaw was set for Man United last January? Define "set for". Wanted to go there, personal terms likely to be ok, but subject still to agreeing a fee and sale with SFC and then a contract, ok. Otherwise, it would need SFC consent
John B Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 So, what happens if Schneiderlin agrees a move to arsenal for cl football, and we end up top 4 and they don't? Although CL is important I would have thought that loads of money is more important
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 (edited) The player still has to agree a deal though, no matter which individuals discuss it. This report is all about he has a deal. I doubt it is just a case of "well Morgan has told me to tell you, to tell the other person, to tell Arsenal that he absolutely promises to sign in the summer, cross his heart and hopes to die". That is how deals are agreed nowadays. Clubs ALWAYS talk to players before a fee is agreed to agree terms. Not sure why you're questioning it myself? There is still an agreement that needs to be done between Arsenal and Saints, but Saints have indicated what they'd take last Summer (£27m) and i am sure Arsenal will pay that. Edited 16 January, 2015 by Unbelievable Jeff
Window Cleaner Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Although CL is important I would have thought that loads of money is more important Especially when you're about 6 years into a 12/13 year career and others at the club are being paid more. If we're going to eventually pay Toby 75K a week then Morgan probably feels he's worth about the same. Who knows club may come through with enough to keep him here if we make the CL.
Saint Billy Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 So, what happens if Schneiderlin agrees a move to arsenal for cl football, and we end up top 4 and they don't? Which proves that it is probably more about wages than anything else whatever the players says.
BlakeySFC Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Schneiderlin will go in the Summer lets not kid ourselves.
scotty Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Although CL is important I would have thought that loads of money is more important Which proves that it is probably more about wages than anything else whatever the players says. Surely cl would give us enough dosh to pay him a better wage, is what I was thinking. I know the top 5 money clubs will always have more to spend than us, but doesn't the cl come with a huge financial bonus? Like getting into the pl?
Redslo Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 That is how deals are agreed nowadays. Clubs ALWAYS talk to players before a fee is agreed to agree terms. Not sure why you're questioning it myself? There is still an agreement that needs to be done between Arsenal and Saints, but Saints have indicated what they'd take last Summer (£27m) and i am sure Arsenal will pay that. Why should it not take more now? Although CL is important I would have thought that loads of money is more important If we qualify for the Champion's League, we can give him loads more money. Qualifying for the group stage last year was worth in excess of 30 million pounds and for next year payments will go up at least 30 percent. Admittedly, there is some variability depending on whether you finish 3rd or 4th in the BPL and how many games you win or draw in the group phase, but that is still a lot of money. Surely, Schneiderlin would take a couple of million of that to put off his Arsenal transfer a year especially if Arsenal is not in the champions league next year. Especially when you're about 6 years into a 12/13 year career and others at the club are being paid more. If we're going to eventually pay Toby 75K a week then Morgan probably feels he's worth about the same. Who knows club may come through with enough to keep him here if we make the CL. True, but who says we won't pay him that too. He would be worth it if anyone is.
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Schneiderlin will go in the Summer lets not kid ourselves. Don't think anyone disagrees that Morgan will leave the point is why the club or Morgan would agree to Arsenal now rather than wait until the summer to see what is being offered. I'm pretty sure Arsenal won't be the only club interested agreeing the whole thing now stops us from profiting from a bidding war between Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs.
Redslo Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Don't think anyone disagrees that Morgan will leave the point is why the club or Morgan would agree to Arsenal now rather than wait until the summer to see what is being offered. I'm pretty sure Arsenal won't be the only club interested agreeing the whole thing now stops us from profiting from a bidding war between Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs. Or Real Madrid and PSG.
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Or Real Madrid and PSG. I'd prefer that would be gutting to see Morgan turn out for another PL side.
Redslo Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 I'd prefer that would be gutting to see Morgan turn out for another PL side. All the more reason why there is no incentive for Southampton to put a deal in place before the summer.
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Not how transfers happen anymore. The two agents appoint an intermediary (ie. a mediator) so the agents both independently go to said mediator and discuss terms. This means the agents never discuss a deal, hence no tapping up. Yeah, more or less Though nothing is specifically agreed, but this tends to happen to ensure there is an oppurtunity to make something happen, and basically why you dont tend to see many deals fall through after fees agreed anymore
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Or Real Madrid and PSG. I cant see him at real personally, they have Kroos and illarramendi
Bucks Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 That is how deals are agreed nowadays. Clubs ALWAYS talk to players before a fee is agreed to agree terms. Not sure why you're questioning it myself? There is still an agreement that needs to be done between Arsenal and Saints, but Saints have indicated what they'd take last Summer (£27m) and i am sure Arsenal will pay that. So there is still no deal, hence this "breaking story" is ****e
saintroyt Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 So there is still no deal, hence this "breaking story" is ****e nobody knows what's going to happen just conjecture we are not board members so just have to wait and see who knows what Ms is thinking apart from him
Chalkboy Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Does Dave Kitson have a good record when it comes to being ITK?
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 So there is still no deal, hence this "breaking story" is ****e Read my first post, I never said it was a done deal. What are you argueing against that I wrote?
Redslo Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 I cant see him at real personally, they have Kroos and illarramendi A valid point, but they also like to shuffle in new people to sell a fresh bunch of jerseys so who knows.
Redslo Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Read my first post, I never said it was a done deal. What are you argueing against that I wrote? I thought he was attacking the breaking story itself, not your post bringing it to our attention which was quite appropriate.
Bucks Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Read my first post, I never said it was a done deal. What are you argueing against that I wrote? Nothing about your post, I am saying this "deal" news is nothing more than what goes on constantly. Entirely thoretical, if player A joins Club Y at some future point this or next season etc, what might they pay him / what might he accept. He has not signed anything
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 A valid point, but they also like to shuffle in new people to sell a fresh bunch of jerseys so who knows. Just cant see it, he isnt a big enough name, they'll go for the likes of matuidi, strootman etc before looking at Morgan fortunately. Id imagine he'll either stay in the prem, which is most likely, or perhaps PSG ? TBH, Arsenal, Liverpool, utd and City probably should be looking at him
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Nothing about your post, I am saying this "deal" news is nothing more than what goes on constantly. Entirely thoretical, if player A joins Club Y at some future point this or next season etc, what might they pay him / what might he accept. He has not signed anything Strange that you spent your time replying to me, I never said he had signed anything, or that he could?
Bucks Saint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 Strange that you spent your time replying to me, I never said he had signed anything, or that he could? You started the strange replies Jeff. I said the player could not talk to another club, so could not "agree" anything - in the context of this thread headline and the Secret Footballer breaking news. You went on to explain how the player has not.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 You started the strange replies Jeff. I said the player could not talk to another club, so could not "agree" anything - in the context of this thread headline and the Secret Footballer breaking news. You went on to explain how the player has not. ????
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 I agree with Jeff. After this summer his reps would be absolutely dire if they hadn't lined something up. Especially given that he obviously has an agreement with Reed et al that he can go in the summer for a certain price. Good luck to him, he deserves his chance to earn mega bucks, certainly more than Chambers, Shaw, Chung Lee and Lovren.
sammysaint Posted 16 January, 2015 Posted 16 January, 2015 I cant see a deal being in place already for Arsenal, Chelsea and City are the only two teams you can say will be finishing in top the top 4 this season, Us Utd Arsenal Spurs Liverpool are fighting for 3rd and 4th, He would look stupid leaving us for Arsenal if we finish 4th and they finish 5th or 6th, He will leave in the summer if we fail to finish top 4 which in all fairness is likely as other teams have better depth then us.
david in sweden Posted 17 January, 2015 Posted 17 January, 2015 How come Shaw was set for Man United last January? I seem to recall one story/ rumour/ suggestion ....that Luke was on his way to Man.Utd - even as soon as he'd signed for us. Details ?(not clear) ....something like .....he played a year or so for us, and then moved on....which was ...exactly what did happen.....
NickG Posted 17 January, 2015 Posted 17 January, 2015 All these players having contracts with two clubs, about time F.A. did something about it! Lol. How many years ago was it Fitz first told us Arsenal had an agreement for Morgan? 6? Maybe Morgan is being honest when he says he will sit down with the club at the end of the season to talk options? Maybe what seems , by far the most sensible option for both player and club, the explanation given by player, the one that wouldn't breach any rules just maybe the real situation rather than conspiracies? Would it make sense for him to commit to Arsenal, when there is chance two other teams who want him may end up ahead of them in chase for Europe? (Us and spurs). Who knows what will happen, I know he will definitely leave this summer but I am used to it because he definitely left last summer!
Saint Without a Halo Posted 17 January, 2015 Posted 17 January, 2015 The Mirror has United in for him maybe they have an agreed deal too and he is signed by three clubs!
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 17 January, 2015 Posted 17 January, 2015 The Mirror has United in for him maybe they have an agreed deal too and he is signed by three clubs! Let's not forget Spurs Don't underestimate the poch influence So that's 4 clubs
Bad Wolf Posted 17 January, 2015 Posted 17 January, 2015 Surely that was a nightmare Indeed. A horrific one. I remember shouting at Les Reid on the TV "YOU PROMISED NO ONE WOULD BE SOLD IN JANUARY....YOU LIED TO ME!!!".
cellone Posted 17 January, 2015 Posted 17 January, 2015 Proper waste of space sh it thread, full of peeps getting cocky and spouting the obvious.
Redslo Posted 20 January, 2015 Posted 20 January, 2015 According to Jeremy Wilson: "Wenger has already added the 17‑year-old Krystian Bielik this month and Southampton’s Morgan Schneiderlin is being lined up as a potential major summer signing although no bid or inquiry has yet been made." From here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/transfers/11356445/Francis-Coquelin-to-be-offered-new-Arsenal-deal-but-Arsene-Wenger-may-bid-au-revoir-to-Flamini-and-Diaby.html
BlakeySFC Posted 20 January, 2015 Posted 20 January, 2015 I so hope that if Morgan goes, he goes abroad to PSG or Real Madrid/Athletico or somewhere.
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 January, 2015 Posted 20 January, 2015 More lazy journalism. My guess is that Morgan will be off in the Summer, assuming that he still wants to go. The only way that he might stay is if we qualify for the CL. The most important thing this summer is to keep RK. It isn't just about us getting into the CL, but also the whether we would likely progress.
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