doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 ...............since Nicola Cortese left saints http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11721496.Saints__A_year_on_from_meltdown/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 What a difference a year makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 (edited) For old times sake... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48561-Cortese-has-left-Southampton-Football-Club-Officially-Confirmed Times Sports Editor Tony Evans: Southampton thing been rumbling for a long time. They've made a bad mistake. Liebherr only interested in selling club. Edited 14 January, 2015 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Blimey, only a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2015 For old times sake... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48561-Cortese-has-left-Southampton-Football-Club-Officially-Confirmed Are you still waiting for NC to ride back into town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Are you still waiting for NC to ride back into town Not one of my better hunches to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Credit to Cortese for bringing in Markus Liebherr to buy us initially and also credit to him for the excellent progress that we made under him. Bu ultimately we can now see that since he has gone, we have not only remained as good as we were under his stewardship, we have progressed beyond most peoples' expectations. All those in the media who shrilly predicted that Katharina Liebherr wanted to sell the club have egg all over their faces. We owe her a debt of gratitude for the progess we have made under her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 So are we better off now than when he was here? Did the ambtion walk away with him? Did the club crumble like some predicted? or Are have we moved on a level? Are we stronger on and off the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Not one of my better hunches to be fair Maybe NC is still looking down the back of the sofa for a bit more change. Does anyone know what NC is up to now? Haven't seen anything about him since he left us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I do think the way he's seems to have been completely ignored in our recent history by the club is a little pathetic, but boy we haven't missed him. Certainly a big part of getting us to where were were though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2015 So are we better off now than when he was here? Did the ambtion walk away with him? Did the club crumble like some predicted? or Are have we moved on a level? Are we stronger on and off the pitch? This. But I guess that's what happens when you upgrade a head of department........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Last year it was Cortese, year before it was Adkins sack... What Will Be January Meltdown 2015??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2015 TBF that did happen just took a few more months for Mopo to walk out and our "Stars" to be sold off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Last year it was Cortese, year before it was Adkins sack... What Will Be January Meltdown 2015??? The club to stop selling hotdogs....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Last year it was Cortese, year before it was Adkins sack... What Will Be January Meltdown 2015??? Morgs sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 The club to stop selling hotdogs....... Always been the devils food. Now if they were to use those German sausages with actual meat in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Oh My God We Could Sign Ched Evans! He would be good back-up for Pelle IMO + Excellent meltdown potential! Get this done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 This. But I guess that's what happens when you upgrade a head of department........... Exactly, Cortese was a good lower league bottom half of the table CEO, a kind of Neil Warnock of CEOs, but to push onto the next level we really needed to upgrade him and we've done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 It's good to be in something from the ground floor. I came too late for that and I know. But lately, I'm getting the feeling that I came in at the end. The best is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I miss the days of reading about 'South Coast Team' in The Sun. I also miss the massive double page spread they did about how they were ignoring us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 We must thank Cortese for his generous resignation, he'd obviously taken us as far as he could, knew it, so unselfishly jumped ship allowing the club to move onto the next level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Anyone know when he starts at AC Milan?? They were sniffing round just before he went.. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10935292.AC_Milan_again_linked_with_move_for_Saints_chairman_Nicola_Cortese/?ref=lp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 ...............since Nicola Cortese left saints http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11721496.Saints__A_year_on_from_meltdown/ really.. that long... WOW! .....Who's got the champagne ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 For old times sake... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48561-Cortese-has-left-Southampton-Football-Club-Officially-Confirmed Reading back through the original thread, it amazes me how some people write statements of absolute fact that clearly aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Last year it was Cortese, year before it was Adkins sack... What Will Be January Meltdown 2015??? Ground capacity to be reduced to accommodate a chapel in the chapel stand for pre-match prayers. MLG to self immolate during half time relay in protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Reading back through the original thread, it amazes me how some people write statements of absolute fact that clearly aren't. As bearsy pointed out we've had a number of melt downs since the new owners took over so by now you'd think people would wait to see how things pan out before going off on one.....................I learnt my lesson with Pardew:blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Credit to Cortese for bringing in Markus Liebherr to buy us initially and also credit to him for the excellent progress that we made under him. Bu ultimately we can now see that since he has gone, we have not only remained as good as we were under his stewardship, we have progressed beyond most peoples' expectations. All those in the media who shrilly predicted that Katharina Liebherr wanted to sell the club have egg all over their faces. We owe her a debt of gratitude for the progess we have made under her Exactly this, well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I think we have progressed as per the plan... and its to Katherina's (and Ralph's) credit that that the continues the progression as first envisioned by Marcus and Nicola. If we ignore the WUMs on here looking for a bite and remember a few 'facts' - then the truth is probably a lot more 'normal' and less sensationalist than some on here like to go on about. To make a fair assessment you have to separate the the fact that Cortese irritated a lot of folks and fell out with them, from the model and strategy that was implemented by him and Marcus, and continued by Reed and KL/RK since. My biggest concern when he left was that the speculation that KL was not really interested in football and the club, might lead to her selling up and then we could well be back to square one. I really thought that would be the case so its great to have been wrong on that score. What Marcus and Nicola did was build from the ground up - The Southampton Way - some joked about Cortese's soundbite, but I believe its the foundation for the success we are seeing now. To me it seems a bit like what the Germans did at national level - first identify the style and approach - the way they wanted to play, the identity. For us this was our passing and pressing style - and then recruit coaches, managers and players (and coach those players from 8 years to first team) in that style - eventually getting more of these home developed players into the squad and becoming more self sustainable. It's also what he meant when suggesting that managers were just 'heads of department' - because we now have a structure and approach that does not suddenly evaporate the moment a manager leaves - we have CONTINUITY of our style and 'way' and its that that breeds success. Many other clubs suffer the full change when a manager goes as we used to... and its why most clubs will struggle when so many players leave... and why many thought we would... but the 'way' continued, just under different leadership. In some respects our position in L1 gave us the opportunity to do this - we were rock bottom and had time and funding to fundamentally change the way we were organised. For most clubs they either don't have the funding, or the pressure for short term success/avoiding relegation means its follow the 'tried and tested' and hope the manager's makes a difference. I am not saying that having a manager of the caliber of 'koeman' does not have a big impact, but its subtle - devil in the detail stuff - and in this game its all about fine margins, but he was able to come in and not have to build from scratch, merely fine tune and improve small things that make big differences... I think if Marcus had not passed away, the pace of this progress may well have been a little slower - I think NC got a bit carried away - his ego was obviously huge - and so he accelerated the plan by using alternative financial resources - especially around the development of Staplewood... and KL quite within her rights was keen to ensure a more democratic control over this... and they fell out. These things happen. Had NCs ego not been so huge, I believe he would still be here as part of an expanded board room. Thankfully, the strategy has continued and we are reaping the rewards of a well designed and solid foundation laid down by Marcus, Cortese and Reed. failure to acknowledge that is simply down to prejudice or ignorance... or simply a dislike of the man for his fallings out over Benali's bathroom carpet (which seemingly has a lot to answer for) - after all the 'everyone pays for their ticket' and stopping of pay outs for former managers etc in the exec suites began under Marcus... and were accepted in general. Benali rented Nicola his house... and the rest is...public bickering that did nobody any favours.... some fans seemed happy to spread rumours of NC not giving a fig about our history... yet many many of the 76 cup winners were invited to events as were other former players... just not those he fell out with. Do we miss him? NO, because the work/approach has been continued and by all accounts with less autocracy. But we can not ignore his contribution to our current success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I do think the way he's seems to have been completely ignored in our recent history by the club is a little pathetic, but boy we haven't missed him. Certainly a big part of getting us to where were were though. It started the previous January, when Adkins was sacked. I wonder who instigated that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Exactly, Cortese was a good lower league bottom half of the table CEO, a kind of Neil Warnock of CEOs, but to push onto the next level we really needed to upgrade him and we've done so. This. Completely ill equipped to take to the level we are now at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I wonder what he is up to these days...hasn't been on the news after that Ben Smith interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 This. Completely ill equipped to take to the level we are now at. That may or may not be true, but he helped lay the foundations, and without him we wouldn't be where we are today. NC brought ML to the club, and we'd probably still be festering in the lower divisions if he hadn't. NC was fantastic for us, but in hindsight he probably left at just the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 That may or may not be true, but he helped lay the foundations, and without him we wouldn't be where we are today. NC brought ML to the club, and we'd probably still be festering in the lower divisions if he hadn't. NC was fantastic for us, but in hindsight he probably left at just the right time. I'd agree with that totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Onwards and upwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 That may or may not be true, but he helped lay the foundations, and without him we wouldn't be where we are today. NC brought ML to the club, and we'd probably still be festering in the lower divisions if he hadn't. NC was fantastic for us, but in hindsight he probably left at just the right time. Agree. He did a great job for us in the lower divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Agree. He did a great job for us in the lower divisions. Ha ha, yeah just like Sharpe he found himself unable to compete at the higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 One thing I do miss is the players and manager constantly praising the chairman in their interviews for all his hard work behind the scenes. Wonder what why that changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I thought he would be at AC Milan by now considering how desperate they were to get him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Last year it was Cortese, year before it was Adkins sack... What Will Be January Meltdown 2015??? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Bearsy, but I am afraid that the January Meltdown 2015 will center around you. I hope you come out of it ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 One thing I do miss is the players and manager constantly praising the chairman in their interviews for all his hard work behind the scenes. Wonder what why that changed? Maybe the current chairman doesn't work hard. Or maybe he doesn't do it behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I thought he would be at AC Milan by now considering how desperate they were to get him in. They probably would be better off had they hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Bearsy, but I am afraid that the January Meltdown 2015 will center around you. I hope you come out of it ok. It's all just allegations at the moment RedSLO. There is absolutely no hard evidence. Or cctv footage. Or soiled clothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 Maybe the current chairman doesn't work hard. Or maybe he doesn't do it behind the scenes. It could be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 14 January, 2015 Share Posted 14 January, 2015 I think we have progressed as per the plan... and its to Katherina's (and Ralph's) credit that that the continues the progression as first envisioned by Marcus and Nicola. If we ignore the WUMs on here looking for a bite and remember a few 'facts' - then the truth is probably a lot more 'normal' and less sensationalist than some on here like to go on about. To make a fair assessment you have to separate the the fact that Cortese irritated a lot of folks and fell out with them, from the model and strategy that was implemented by him and Marcus, and continued by Reed and KL/RK since. My biggest concern when he left was that the speculation that KL was not really interested in football and the club, might lead to her selling up and then we could well be back to square one. I really thought that would be the case so its great to have been wrong on that score. What Marcus and Nicola did was build from the ground up - The Southampton Way - some joked about Cortese's soundbite, but I believe its the foundation for the success we are seeing now. To me it seems a bit like what the Germans did at national level - first identify the style and approach - the way they wanted to play, the identity. For us this was our passing and pressing style - and then recruit coaches, managers and players (and coach those players from 8 years to first team) in that style - eventually getting more of these home developed players into the squad and becoming more self sustainable. It's also what he meant when suggesting that managers were just 'heads of department' - because we now have a structure and approach that does not suddenly evaporate the moment a manager leaves - we have CONTINUITY of our style and 'way' and its that that breeds success. Many other clubs suffer the full change when a manager goes as we used to... and its why most clubs will struggle when so many players leave... and why many thought we would... but the 'way' continued, just under different leadership. In some respects our position in L1 gave us the opportunity to do this - we were rock bottom and had time and funding to fundamentally change the way we were organised. For most clubs they either don't have the funding, or the pressure for short term success/avoiding relegation means its follow the 'tried and tested' and hope the manager's makes a difference. I am not saying that having a manager of the caliber of 'koeman' does not have a big impact, but its subtle - devil in the detail stuff - and in this game its all about fine margins, but he was able to come in and not have to build from scratch, merely fine tune and improve small things that make big differences... I think if Marcus had not passed away, the pace of this progress may well have been a little slower - I think NC got a bit carried away - his ego was obviously huge - and so he accelerated the plan by using alternative financial resources - especially around the development of Staplewood... and KL quite within her rights was keen to ensure a more democratic control over this... and they fell out. These things happen. Had NCs ego not been so huge, I believe he would still be here as part of an expanded board room. Thankfully, the strategy has continued and we are reaping the rewards of a well designed and solid foundation laid down by Marcus, Cortese and Reed. failure to acknowledge that is simply down to prejudice or ignorance... or simply a dislike of the man for his fallings out over Benali's bathroom carpet (which seemingly has a lot to answer for) - after all the 'everyone pays for their ticket' and stopping of pay outs for former managers etc in the exec suites began under Marcus... and were accepted in general. Benali rented Nicola his house... and the rest is...public bickering that did nobody any favours.... some fans seemed happy to spread rumours of NC not giving a fig about our history... yet many many of the 76 cup winners were invited to events as were other former players... just not those he fell out with. Do we miss him? NO, because the work/approach has been continued and by all accounts with less autocracy. But we can not ignore his contribution to our current success. This is a good post that will be overlooked by the usual suspects, seems like GS is still missing on this thread but the others are here in good voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 January, 2015 Share Posted 15 January, 2015 Maybe the current chairman doesn't work hard. Or maybe he doesn't do it behind the scenes. We don't do scenes any more. Not since Lallana and Lovren left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 January, 2015 Share Posted 15 January, 2015 The club achieved a lot or success in his time here, but history will show that this was inspite of Cortese not because of him. Cortese job wasn't to win football matches, it was to employ people to win football matches. In any other industry if a CEO who presides over a building project which came in double the budget, a huge legal bill due to stream of court cases for unpaid bills, a huge staff turnover and failing to increase commercial income despite huge success of the product would be considered a failure. Yet for saints fans the person was viewed a hero. So yes we had a lot Of success on the pitch where corteses control was limited but off the pitch things were close to becoming a disaster. Cortese was great at spending money, not so good at making it. The reaction on here was laughable when he quit, it was beyond the pale, people genuinely did believe that the club was nothing without him. The last year has proven that his isn't the case at all and that we've managed to move onto the fabled next level without being taken to court by local businesses, getting banned from City centre restaurants, banning former players in fact we haven't even had to sign Ralph Krugers name during a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 15 January, 2015 Share Posted 15 January, 2015 Yep Cortese was just useless, just like spending over folks money.... so useless in fact that as a successful banker, he became the confident and close friend of a certain billionnaire called M Liebherr. If Cortese was as incompetent and useless as some on here would like us to believe, then they must also be suggesting M Liebherr was a poor judge of character and ability? He was egotistical and he put a few noses out of joint - but to suggest 'history will show' that our success was 'inspite' of him is one of two things; ignorance and plain stupid, or as is more likely, about 6.5 in the WUM scale (or must try harder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 January, 2015 Share Posted 15 January, 2015 If Cortese was so great why isn't he in charge of another club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 January, 2015 Share Posted 15 January, 2015 (edited) It's good to see nothing changes on here. Any slight criticism of him is met with howls of derision from his biggest fans. People have hailed corteses ability to appoint managers, yet have never actually asked the question how did a man who had no knowledge of English football know about and appoint Pardew and Adkins? How did this man with no experience in sport create the blueprint for 'the southampton way'? Either he's the fastest learner and most visionary human being who ever lived or he had people around him doing that for him, for which he was happy to take the glory. People say he was a great businessman, yet I dont recall us securing any huge sponsorship deals or huge increases in commercial revenue. What I do recall is our commercial revenue being lower than midtable Championship clubs. People seem to forget Cortese wasn't a director or football, the football area where he should have had the least involvement, this area was the most successful in his tenure, coincidence? You decide. Edited 15 January, 2015 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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