JxgrSaint Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2907871/Cesc-Fabregas-Alexis-Sanchez-lit-Premier-League-term-Southampton-s-dour-defensive-display-Manchester-United-applauded.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Consistent with most of his work and will get the reaction its designed for elsewhere so lets not give it here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 He's usually very complimentary about Saints but his head is so far up Rooney's anus he probably got upset he looked pretty hopeless days after bigging him up as the best player in the world (well, not quite but near as dammit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 The bloke is paid to be controversial. He is also paid to fill space. Job done as far as his editor is concerned. The article is nonsense. he sayds that Van Persie had a shot that was blocked that should have counted as a shot on target. Well if it was blocked it wasnt on target was it? He also said that Pelle's shot that came back off the post was lucky that if feel to Tadic. Well I would say that it was lucky for United that it hit the post and didnt go in. 3 points was the important stat and he knows that. He also knows and acknowledges that SFC are not a team that parks the bus. Koeman's tactics were spot on in this game as proved by the fact that we won the game. All the rest is hot air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2866643/Manchester-United-title-race-Louis-van-Gaal-Wayne-Rooney-Michael-Carrick-thank.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Contrast with his article here after United fluked a win at St Mary's. It's about opinions fair enough, but there has to be a degree of consistency,fairness and objectivity in what is written, especially if your being paid for doing it, or people will stop reading. I certainly won't bother clicking on any more of his articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 The article is nonsense. he sayds that Van Persie had a shot that was blocked that should have counted as a shot on target. Well if it was blocked it wasnt on target was it? If its heading towards the goal then why isn't it a shot on target? I'm guessing you'd treat it as on target if it was going it and the keeper saved it, why should it be different for a blocked shot on target by a defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radio slave Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Adrian DurWUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 If its heading towards the goal then why isn't it a shot on target? I'm guessing you'd treat it as on target if it was going it and the keeper saved it, why should it be different for a blocked shot on target by a defender? If the keeper saves it you have a pretty good idea that it could have gone in. If the shot is blocked then it is not really a shot on goal is it because it didnt reach the goal - hence not on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 If the keeper saves it you have a pretty good idea that it could have gone in. If the shot is blocked then it is not really a shot on goal is it because it didnt reach the goal - hence not on target. What is your definition of a "block"? What if the block by the defender happens 5 yards from the goal-line? Is that not an on target shot? Its very much a grey area in football statistics and analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 The guys an idiot, in our promotion form the Champ season he tweeted that Lambert apart we were bang average. Then in the prem, he was on talksport saying how good he thought players like Lallana and Schneiderlin when he 'spotted' them in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 What is your definition of a "block"? What if the block by the defender happens 5 yards from the goal-line? Is that not an on target shot? Its very much a grey area in football statistics and analysis. See you have added another dimension there oops quick edit!! What is the stats defintion of on target? e.g. is hitting the bar/post etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 (edited) Does this fool write every week about all the other teams who go to Stamford Bridge, Etihad and Old Trafford and just roll over? Sure, it was a boring game for the neutral, but what were we meant to do? it was a tactical battle. We stood up to them, and RoKo outwitted Van Gaal, simple as.Did Man Utd come to St Mary's to play football? Didn't see them do a lot then, but then they won the game, which is all that matters. This Durham is a clown. I'm sorry we've upset him by gatecrashing the party. And did Sanchez light up St Mary's a couple of weeks ago when we comfortably dispatched of his side????? 'If Southampton produce an end-of-season DVD entitled '101 Great Moments Closing Down the Opposition' expect the victory at Manchester United to feature highly' Fck me, he's bitter Edited 13 January, 2015 by Saint_Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 What is the stats defintion of on target? e.g. is hitting the bar/post etc Technically the post isn't the target, but again its a grey area because the ball could potentially hit the post and still go in or rebound out depending on the angle it connects, power and spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Does this fool write every week about all the other teams who go to Stamford Bridge, Etihad and Old Trafford and just roll over? Sure, it was a boring game for the neutral, but what were we meant to do? it was a tactical battle. We stood up to them, and RoKo outwitted Van Gaal, simple as.Did Man Utd come to St Mary's to play football? Didn't see them do a lot then, but then they won the game, which is all that matters. This Durham is a clown. I'm sorry we've upset him by gatecrashing the party. And did Sanchez light up St Mary's a couple of weeks ago when we comfortably dispatched of his side????? 'If Southampton produce an end-of-season DVD entitled '101 Great Moments Closing Down the Opposition' expect the victory at Manchester United to feature highly' Fck me, he's bitter His job is to annoy and wind people up. As you and others have proved, he's very good at his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2907871/Cesc-Fabregas-Alexis-Sanchez-lit-Premier-League-term-Southampton-s-dour-defensive-display-Manchester-United-applauded.html Stop fanning the flames of idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 (edited) Technically the post isn't the target, but again its a grey area because the ball could potentially hit the post and still go in or rebound out depending on the angle it connects, power and spin. The post is off target. If it hits the post and then goes in it's on target, because it went in - that's the same shot and it went in. If it hits the post and doesn't, it remains off target. Hence, Pelle hits post = shot off target, Tadic scoring rebound = on target. There is absolutely no grey area. Even if it hits the post, then hits a defender and goes in it's off target, as long as it wouldn't have gone in without the defender's involvement. Edited 13 January, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 If Terry the Cabbie from Romford rang in to TalkSport to agree with Durham every day his show would have been canned and he wouldn't write this column. Anyone suprised or outraged by this article is worse than him and give people like him the platform to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 I remember listening one evening to him on the way home and him saying that Arsenal purposely finish 4th instead of 3rd to get the extra million in ticket revenue from the playoff involved to qualify. I phoned up to remind them that they would lose the 1.7m difference between finishing 3rd and 4th, and the dicks wouldn't let me on. He's a joke, and only says stuff to get a reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Has to be, without exception (and that includes Garth Crooks) the worst sports media pundit anywhere. Whenever I am unfortunate enough to catch any of his afternoon show on TalkSport I actually feel sorry for the guy, he is that bad. (By the way - what has he got against Arsenal and Arsene Wenger - did he **** his wife or something?) But not only is his show abysmal, but they have also paired him up with Darren Gough - Jesus Christ - the guy struggles to pronounce single syllable words ffs. Together they really are a comedy duo. I'm just amazed that not only does he get airtime on the radio but a paper also gives him column inches to prove what a complete and utter numpty he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 If its heading towards the goal then why isn't it a shot on target? I'm guessing you'd treat it as on target if it was going it and the keeper saved it, why should it be different for a blocked shot on target by a defender? So what about a hopeful punt from the halfway line that could head towards the goal but gets intercepted? Is that on target? You cannot class an blocked shot as being on target, it's like saying a darts players throws a darts it doesn't hit treble twenty but it could have... Whichever way you look at it that article is click bait, nowt more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 The post is off target. If it hits the post and then goes in it's on target, because it went in - that's the same shot and it went in. If it hits the post and doesn't, it remains off target. Hence, Pelle hits post = shot off target, Tadic scoring rebound = on target. There is absolutely no grey area. Even if it hits the post, then hits a defender and goes in it's off target, as long as it wouldn't have gone in without the defender's involvement. What about if it hits the crossbar and bounces down, but it is spinning towards the goal-line and the keeper saves it? Like this, but if the keeper saved it as it rolled towards the line (the ball was heading on target)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Are we really spending all this time argueing the toss about what is on taget or not? A blocked shot is like a tackle and is not a shot. If someone is on the line and stops it is is a shot on target because the player has had a shot. I cannot give you the definition of what distance the ball has to travel before it can be deemed a shot because frankly, I have a life. United di not have any shots on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 I dont remember Tadic ripping his shirt off, he took it off but didnt rip it off he makes no mention of the united players trying to rip our players shirts off What a numpty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo1029 Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 he's a professional wind-up merchant, hilarious when other fans bite, but just ignore him and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 (edited) Who gives a s**t about what's on or off target. A thirty yard dribbler that is comfortably gathered by the keeper may pad the stats but is irrelevant. The only pertinent 'fact' from Sunday -apart from us winning- is that united created few clearcut chances until the end of the game -and even one of those needed a bit of help from Forster. Edited 13 January, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 He's a media WUM, that's what he's made his name for. Saying far away, controversial stuff, to provoke comments and reaction. It's what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Seen plenty of games between the bigger games that were far, far duller. Sunday was great for football fans who know a bit about the game, a true tactical masterclass. If it were Liverpool that had done it it'd have been a wnkfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 We dont have the luxury of having 4 world class strikers and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Perhaps he should have saved some of his criticism for why a team that cost so much couldnt get a shot on target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 We dont have the luxury of having 4 world class strikers and have to cut our cloth accordingly. Perhaps he should have saved some of his criticism for why a team that cost so much couldnt get a shot on target? he said they were good against us and that they have clearly improved this season compared to last it was clear as day that he was trying to wind people up so they would call in to Talksport on their 0845 number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Durham is paid to do a certain job, so it's nothing to get hot under the collar about. But there is some delicious irony in his piece on United's win at St Marys, provided by the wonderful gift of hindsight. "United's injury list could ease significantly soon – Angel di Maria, Luke Shaw and Daley Blind in particular could make a difference." They certainly did. Two of them were so ineffective they didn't finish the game, the other was hopelessly out of position when Tadic scored (have a look where Blind is, and his reaction when Tadic pokes in the rebound is probably an expression of his realisation that he should have been the one picking Tadic up). Also Durham's "three men who I believe are chiefly responsible for United being in the title race" includes: Louis van Gaal: He's a class act, and he's always ready to make difficult decisions when necessary – like taking Paddy McNair off in the first half at Southampton when he lacked confidence and was making too many mistakes. That was bold and brave but it worked for United. At the same time it sent a message to the rest of the United players that they need to be totally on top of their game. Van Gaal needed to make the change, but he taught the United squad a lesson at the same time." A class act always ready to make the difficult decisions when necessary. Difficult decisions like throwing on a beanpole midfielder and lumping the ball up to him in a last act of sheer desperation in true League Two style because nothing else has worked. That certainly told the rest of the United players they had to be on top of their game. Especially Columbian strikers who by time Fellaini was sent on to deliver the telling message, was in the leafy confines of Cheshire, wondering how the class act that is van Gaal decided to go with three central defenders on the bench for a home game. Michael Carrick.:"His calm and composure have been crucial during this winning run. Since he returned to the side he has relaxed everyone around him. He will always accept the ball, always be available and he never hides. That is exactly what an under-pressure defence needs." That will be the same Michael Carrick, then, who was nullified by a 20-year-old, disciplined and intelligent enough as a player, to carry out to perfection the instructions of an astute coach who had spotted Carrick's role and importance and snuffed it out as part of his game plan. It doesn't bother me that Durham has undervalued and underplayed Saints win. It's part of his remit to cause controversy and his skin is thick enough to take any stick he might get on here. But it does lay bare any reputation he has as a serious football pundit when he does not give Koeman an ounce of credit - other than accusing him of killing the game - for completely out-thinking van Gaal at every single bloody turn. Koeman took van Gaal to school on Sunday. And everybody knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 We won 1 0 who cares We also won 1 0 in 1976 I cared best day of my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 At least he called us a top 4 team. Thing is Mourinho takes Chelsea to say Man City or Liverpool and will get heralded for grinding an away win. Man Utd in their pomp very rarely went to the grounds of their title rivals and played an open game. They played on the counter attack and defended well, no different to what we did. We deserved to win the game because we stopped them from playing and created, then took the better chances. Anything else is just sour grapes that a team the football convention can be upset when a team spends hundreds millions on players but is beaten by a better team that cost a fraction of that amount. Most other pundits roundly congratulated our win and said it was well deserved. We've clearly shown over the season so far and over the two games that our team is better than Utds despite the vast spending at Old Trafford, now its up to the team to prove it over the whole season. Who cares what idiots like Durham think, I'm sure Utd were patting themselves on the back when they nicked the win at St Marys and we played WAY better in that game to try and win it then Utd did at Old Trafford. The only people I've seen say Utd deserved the win is bitter Rooney and bitter Van Gaal, and now this plonka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Koeman took van Gaal to school on Sunday. And everybody knows it. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 I think the article is very complimentary. In a way I don't disagree with him. It wasn't a great spectacle for the neutral. We didn't play sparkling football. I do think that we could of played with a higher tempo. I also think we could have played better football than Manchester and I do think the luck went our way. The article is fair and needs to be read fully before making knee jerk criticism. Make no mistake we can play better attacking, flowing football ask Sunderland. Let's also not kid ourselves Mata could and should have buried us in the last 15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 So Gary Neville v Durham Think i know whose opinion i respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 To be fair, this is the same guy that's saying that the player of the season award should go to Wayne Rooney, that Sanchez/Hazard don't come close. I wouldn't pay too much attention to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 I think the article is very complimentary. In a way I don't disagree with him. It wasn't a great spectacle for the neutral. We didn't play sparkling football. I do think that we could of played with a higher tempo. I also think we could have played better football than Manchester and I do think the luck went our way. The article is fair and needs to be read fully before making knee jerk criticism. Make no mistake we can play better attacking, flowing football ask Sunderland. Let's also not kid ourselves Mata could and should have buried us in the last 15 minutes. This.. and Fonte has basically said the same in his post match interview. What is surprising is that Durham expects us to come and play expansive football against a team that won its last 5 home games.. naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 (edited) What about if it hits the crossbar and bounces down, but it is spinning towards the goal-line and the keeper saves it? Like this, but if the keeper saved it as it rolled towards the line (the ball was heading on target)... I think that counts as a goal attempt. The ball would have gone in if the keeper hadn't stopped it. Edited 13 January, 2015 by Whitey Grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 I think the article is very complimentary. In a way I don't disagree with him. It wasn't a great spectacle for the neutral. We didn't play sparkling football. I do think that we could of played with a higher tempo. I also think we could have played better football than Manchester and I do think the luck went our way. The article is fair and needs to be read fully before making knee jerk criticism. Make no mistake we can play better attacking, flowing football ask Sunderland. Let's also not kid ourselves Mata could and should have buried us in the last 15 minutes. And we should have buried them at St Marys so it evened itself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Seen plenty of games between the bigger games that were far, far duller. Sunday was great for football fans who know a bit about the game, a true tactical masterclass. If it were Liverpool that had done it it'd have been a wnkfest Mourinho's won plenty of games with similar tactics but when he does it it's genius rather than lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 And we should have buried them at St Marys so it evened itself out. Exactly this. We tried the pretty, attractive stuff against them in that game and we lost. Is that what he would have preferred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 What the feck dose he know about football he supports Peterborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 This.. and Fonte has basically said the same in his post match interview. What is surprising is that Durham expects us to come and play expansive football against a team that won its last 5 home games.. naive. SaintSteve that is a very big compliment of our team wouldn't you say. I think we gave them too much respect first half and the second half our superior fitness showed. I think 3 points each from both games is about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Adrian Durham, the greatest troll of this generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Only ready some comments. Why are people bothered? It's his job to wind fans up for a reaction. And if we're honest, he's not exactly wrong. He's usually very complimentary about Saints but the more we win, the more we have to be dragged down to earth. He's also one of the few journalists that questions why the skates are still in existence and also calls their cup "win" cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 His job is to annoy and wind people up. As you and others have proved, he's very good at his job it didn't work - that made me laugh out loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 You know you have hit a raw nerve when people react like that. It is great when the 'plastic' supporters get a 'bloody nose', long may it continue. Oh, btw, almost all neutrals love seeing one of the 'big 6' getting their 'come uppance' and it is what makes English Prfemier football the best spectacle in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 He is always contradicting himself on Talk Sport almost on a daily basis. If he loves the beautiful game so much why does he take so much joy in lambasting Arsenal everyday in the Daily Arsenal. I like Johnny Vaughn's treatment of him on a Saturday, obviously does not like Durham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Adrian Durham, the greatest troll of this generation. You would know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 Make no mistake we can play better attacking, flowing football ask Sunderland. Clearly the guy knows very little, event he fact that he cited Sunderland as an example of how exciting we can be. well the reality was that we were quite poor in the 1st half, it was only when Sunderland had committed suicide for the third time that we really took them apart in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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