Saints V Reading Full Time Match Reation

[Scudamore]

yes and at the same time..he gets stick dished out to him...last season he was banned as was I for reacting to baiting about burley....before other he said burley was shyte etc..he got no end of stick....he turned out to be right...

 

now, i know that is one instance...but, no matter what he posts it just gets the same response from the same people...

 

it's because of the lack of light and shade Delldays...every argument needs it...

[Chez]

not this one...but as soon as he posts NO MATTER what all the replies are "you have no idea, you dont even go"..well, along those lines..

 

go back through the thread and tell me where people are being delusional. A decent performance is met with "we were crap". Not we ARE crap, but we WERE crap. I don't care if the poster was there or not today, either way they are talking utter ****e. We were decent, end of.

[Micky]

Cut & Pasted views, baiting, getting banned and George Burley - and good old Alpine Saint was spot on every time - one hell of an angel, never, ever wrong and always wronged against.

 

You couldn't make it up - but I'll give you one thing DD, you are one loyal lap dog - whereas I wouldn't want the negative bleeder in my team ever - you would probably be top of my list every time.

[Alain Perrin]

I'm sure all the happy clappies are thinking '4 points from Reading and only 18 points away from the playoffs.............isn't Lowe a super duper chairman'.

 

 

Lowe out.

 

Nope, I'm thinking "****"

[Thedelldays]

it's because of the lack of light and shade Delldays...every argument needs it...

 

 

i know...but he has been right far more times than given credit for...

 

I remember when we beat derby away this season...there was a thread with about 2 pages on it after then win...title (something like)

 

"get in there...**** you alpine saint"...it was a big love in against our alps as he stood his ground at the start of the season claiming he will not be going until lowe leaves and that we are in real danger of being relegated...

 

now, it seems that we are in danger of relegation and that some of those supa-dupa fans who were happy to slate those for not going are trying to tell others not to go...

 

you could not make it up...

 

some get too worked up over what alps says..

[Chez]

yes and at the same time..he gets stick dished out to him...last season he was banned as was I for reacting to baiting about burley....before other he said burley was shyte etc..he got no end of stick....he turned out to be right...

 

now, i know that is one instance...but, no matter what he posts it just gets the same response from the same people...

 

I judge each post on its merit. By contrast he appears to conclude that anyone with anything positive to say is delusional.

[Chez]

Chez, that was only after I explained it to you four times.

 

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I don't even see a post from you on this thread.

[ottery st mary]

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I don't even see a post from you on this thread.

 

whoosheeeee.. some of you posters on here are so intent on ganging up against alpine you can't see the woods for the trees. Your such great supporters,coaches etc. To me alpine makes a lot of sense..not all the time

but take the rough with the smooth...unlike some of nickey boys group..chez you make a lot of sense...some of the time..but thats all opinion.

 

 

Anyway let me help you withwhoooosheee

 

You said in your post about alpine....but anyone with a bit about them can see right through that.

 

I said to you in my post, chez only after I explained it four imes......ie it was a joke...ie you could not see right through it until after I explained it to you four times....JOKE chez Lighten up mate. It will soon be Easter and we will all know if our little bunnies have come good.

[Chez]

whoosheeeee.. some of you posters on here are so intent on ganging up against alpine you can't see the woods for the trees. Your such great supporters,coaches etc. To me alpine makes a lot of sense..not all the time

but take the rough with the smooth...unlike some of nickey boys group..chez you make a lot of sense...some of the time..but thats all opinion.

 

 

Anyway let me help you withwhoooosheee

 

You said in your post about alpine....but anyone with a bit about them can see right through that.

 

I said to you in my post, chez only after I explained it four imes......ie it was a joke...ie you could not see right through it until after I explained it to you four times....JOKE chez Lighten up mate. It will soon be Easter and we will all know if our little bunnies have come good.

 

bit tired and hung over, sorry, but that was is as clear as mud. I'll lighten up though. Our bunnies are taking us down, that is something Alpine and i both agree on.

 

Hang on I joined this thread all positive about the performance and now I'm leaving it depressed at the reality that we are going down. Bugger.

[ottery st mary]

bit tired and hung over, sorry, but that was is as clear as mud. I'll lighten up though. Our bunnies are taking us down, that is something Alpine and i both agree on.

 

Hang on I joined this thread all positive about the performance and now I'm leaving it depressed at the reality that we are going down. Bugger.

 

We are all Saints supporters though and even alpine wants the best for Saints

but he is more of a motivator from the old school....

 

Anyway time for kip...will try and get the missus to explain the off side rule to me again.. my missus that is..

[obelisk]

I wouldn't get too excited over that point. First half was pretty poor stuff from both sides and only the rattling of Reading's bar really made me think we might have any chance of scoring.

Second half a bit brighter after some of the Christmas pud seemed to have been worked off and enjoyed the opening goal. Of course that simply woke the Royals up and then it was panic stations in Saints defence. I see we still can't defend set pieces and, to be honest, I reckoned nil points was the more likely outcome after Saints sloppily conceded again.

Suppose I should be happy with the point but, unless we start to score some bloody goals at St. Mary's, we'll be stuffed by Easter.

 

Happy New Year, when it comes.

[Under Weststand]

Must say that was more than I thought we would get 1-1 & a point. A bit disappointing to again lose a late goal, but for me January will decide our fate the next 3 league games are going to be vital

[offix]

Well done 'Boys'!

I'm sat here eating humble pie. I didn't give us a chance today.

 

Same here. better result than expected for this match. Well done!

However, the season (so far) unfortunately completely as expected :-)

[Kingsbridge Saint]

We truly are Readings bogey side. 2 points from 18 in December is cast iron League 1 form. At least we scored a goal though and Jan finally started with 2 up front. Co-incidence? Think not. Administration please.

[bungle]

We are all Saints supporters though and even alpine wants the best for Saints

but he is more of a motivator from the old school....

 

I totally and utterly refuse to believe that.

[LostBoys]

Ignoring all of the repititive invective within the thread, we played better today and could have won against a good side but we missed easy chances (Patterson in particular) and should have had a penalty. However we always looked vulnerable to any Reading attacks in the air and they could have scored more than one but for some good last ditch defending and the ball falling to Reading defenders to score instead of Doyle.

 

This has been the pattern for most of the first half of the season and explains why we are now in the bottom three. The issue is can we get out with the likelihood of at least Surman Lallana and others leaving (please don't tell me on the radio they have knocks Jan we know they are going)?

 

Common sense which I possibly cannot have as I am a Saints supporter tells me that we will not get out of this and relegation/administration in whatever order beckon. I hear Merrington the mouth has been saying again that the Fullofhope money will be available in early January for signings by our new mnager Alan Shearer and any optimism left disapears out of the window. Here's to a better 2009 I hope it is better than 2008.

[alpine_saint]

I totally and utterly refuse to believe that.

 

I am sure you do.

[St Marco]

4 points from the last 24, no wins in 11 games, 4 loses from the last 5, 2nd to bottom etc etc reading some peoples replies you would think we were top of the league!

[saintwarwick]

i know...but he has been right far more times than given credit for...

 

I remember when we beat derby away this season...there was a thread with about 2 pages on it after then win...title (something like)

 

"get in there...**** you alpine saint"...it was a big love in against our alps as he stood his ground at the start of the season claiming he will not be going until lowe leaves and that we are in real danger of being relegated...

 

now, it seems that we are in danger of relegation and that some of those supa-dupa fans who were happy to slate those for not going are trying to tell others not to go...

 

you could not make it up...

 

some get too worked up over what alps says..

 

Some get too worked up over alps version of games he has not seen, is that not difficult to comprehend?

[NickG]

4 points from the last 24, no wins in 11 games, 4 loses from the last 5, 2nd to bottom etc etc reading some peoples replies you would think we were top of the league!

 

all those are commented on in other threads, this is post match -and we played pretty well

[Wes Tender]

4 points from the last 24, no wins in 11 games, 4 loses from the last 5, 2nd to bottom etc etc reading some peoples replies you would think we were top of the league!

 

It says it all really, doesn't it?

[Thedelldays]

Some get too worked up over alps version of games he has not seen, is that not difficult to comprehend?

even when he (as I have done) litterally copies and pastes someone else match report...just for ****s and giggles

 

like i said...it is amusing watching the abuse roll in and people say you are so wrong...

 

:smt044

[belgrave]

I'm not sure if I understand the amount of abuse heading AS's way.

 

I have seen every home match (pay as you go), except Norwich.

 

I have seen some good halves of football, some nice touches, and some below-par (in terms of Saints year on year comparison, which is way-below-normal-par) defending

 

If I had to summarise my view of the season, I could pretty much cut and paste any one of AS's posts

 

I could probably have had a good predictive stab after the Stoke friendly, which was a bit of a harbinger....

[St Marco]

all those are commented on in other threads, this is post match -and we played pretty well

 

see i disagree, i think it was again more flash and no substance, it is a question of how do you define playing well? If you added up how many times their keeper was tested and ours was tested i would say ours was tested more. Im happy we did not lose but i dont think we played as great as people are trying to imply. This performance does not change my view on the team 1 bit. If they go into the next 3 games which are massive and get 7 points from the 9 then my opinion will change for sure.

[saintwarwick]

see i disagree, i think it was again more flash and no substance, it is a question of how do you define playing well? If you added up how many times their keeper was tested and ours was tested i would say ours was tested more. Im happy we did not lose but i dont think we played as great as people are trying to imply. This performance does not change my view on the team 1 bit. If they go into the next 3 games which are massive and get 7 points from the 9 then my opinion will change for sure.

 

Good to see you ignored my reply (140) to your original post, obviously quite a few of us saw a different game to you.

[Norm]

I doubt you will find any Saints fan that doesn't think we will either be relegated or will struggle to survive. Your post is therefore just a pathetic attempt to paint supporters that went and enjoyed the game today as `happy clappy'.

 

 

 

:smt038

I think those 'happy clappy' fans are just being sensible. Happy at getting a point from a VG Reading side but and it's a big but, still unhappy at our present state of affairs.

[OldNick]

Have a look at the scoreline, and the home record. they are the ONLY two issues that count.

 

I'd rather we played utter shiiite and WON matches.

 

That's why the usual "we played well" suspects are delusional.

Of course you would , as you sit at home with your feet up watching teletext. It frustrates me that fans moan we havent won when they havent spent the time going and watching the team. TRhe entertainment they get is from the result not the performance and so that is why sometimes we do not see eye to eye.

I and others go for the love of the game and our team. We want us to win as muich as anyone but at the same time appreciate it if the team played good football.

It would be perfect if we could conbine good football with wins, and then we would all be pleased.

Before the game I couldnt believe the team Jan sent out and was very much on his back, but the players who came in were very good.Patterson did well and it released DMG to plauy his best game for quite a while.The young McClaggon was a great plus, he was like Dyer but stronger and got stuck in, his set upo for the goal was brilliant.

Perry should start every game as he is cool and composed.

Cork and DMG were the star players although they all played their part.

[OldNick]

We are all Saints supporters though and even alpine wants the best for Saints

but he is more of a motivator from the old school....

 

Anyway time for kip...will try and get the missus to explain the off side rule to me again.. my missus that is..

can you enlighten me what an motivator of the old school is ?

[miserableoldgit]

You've made that one abundantly clear. Amazing how the happy-clappys always judge the support of those who write things they find unpalateable

Pot/Kettle??

[mprobert]

It gets depressing to read this forum sometimes, it can be a distorted view of life seen through the gnarled and twisted.

 

For an objective review of the players performance I would recommend "on the cross":

 

http://www.southampton-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=424479

[hypochondriac]

So according to alps you can only ever play well if you win? Drawing against the team 2nd in the league when we are down the bottom is a good result. It doesnt make our unacceptable results any better but equally those dont make this a crap performance. Add to that people were predicting a heavy loss and the four straight losses coming into the game and I was pleasantly surprised to get something. We won't agree alps and you will most likely call me deluded but that is how I see things. Our season has been awful but this a good result when considering the calibure of opposition and our previous run of form

[Whitey Grandad]

It was a good performance against a team up at the top of the table and we should have been given a penalty that would probably have won the game, and in isolation we could be satisfied with that, but in the wider context it was another 2 points dropped and I can't see where we are going to win the 7 or more games that we need out of the 20 that are left.

[hypochondriac]

It was a good performance against a team up at the top of the table and we should have been given a penalty that would probably have won the game, and in isolation we could be satisfied with that, but in the wider context it was another 2 points dropped and I can't see where we are going to win the 7 or more games that we need out of the 20 that are left.

 

A much more balanced reaction. You see this is a sensible way to look at things, not "we were crap" which is ascertained purely by looking at the result.

[Legod Third Coming]

A much more balanced reaction. You see this is a sensible way to look at things, not "we were crap" which is ascertained purely by looking at the result.

 

The key problem is that many of us can see the wisdom and merit behind the strategy. I have enjoyed many games this season where we have eventually come away with nothing but deserved more on the balance of play. Some of our football has been outstanding at times. Hunt on Soccer AM said we were the hardest team he'd played against all season. Wolves likewise spoke highly of our organisation and football (even down to ten men).

 

But all this is academic if we are relegated because we don't have enough points.

 

Somehow, we have to get a better balance of playing football and winning games!! How? I wish I knew - we all do.

 

But this is why people will now say that a good performance against Reading is not good enough. In isolation it would be. But against the backdrop of our current form, we need more.

 

I am not sure sacking the manager will achieve anything because of who his likely replacement will be. He knows we need to turn it around. Maybe he's now found an eleven who can compete??

[Jonnyboy]

a. he lives in austria...so, are you saying you are only allowed to comment on a game of football only if you were there....?

 

b. also, be careful not to look stupid..as I have been on the end of what you are dishing out to alpine, the "you are wrong as you were not there" lines...even when I have cut and pasted a comment from someone at the very game just to see what reaction I got...it seems some dont even really read your posts and just have a pop at you...even though at that time..i was completely wrong with my views but on the other page..the person who said I was wrong was in full agreement with the views i copied..

 

lol

 

Ahhh the master tactician - or get a life

[hypochondriac]

The key problem is that many of us can see the wisdom and merit behind the strategy. I have enjoyed many games this season where we have eventually come away with nothing but deserved more on the balance of play. Some of our football has been outstanding at times. Hunt on Soccer AM said we were the hardest team he'd played against all season. Wolves likewise spoke highly of our organisation and football (even down to ten men).

 

But all this is academic if we are relegated because we don't have enough points.

 

Somehow, we have to get a better balance of playing football and winning games!! How? I wish I knew - we all do.

 

But this is why people will now say that a good performance against Reading is not good enough. In isolation it would be. But against the backdrop of our current form, we need more.

 

I am not sure sacking the manager will achieve anything because of who his likely replacement will be. He knows we need to turn it around. Maybe he's now found an eleven who can compete??

 

Agree but surely it is wrong to dismiss a performance as awful based on the result alone

[Legod Third Coming]

Agree but surely it is wrong to dismiss a performance as awful based on the result alone

 

 

Agreed, and we have too many people who simply say 'not good enough' - who show themselves up to be cretins as a result. The best teams in the world do not always win. The best performing team on the day does not always win. Winning is more than simply the better team - anyone who dimisses luck and the quirks of fate/ref, etc is an idiot. The most successful people in the world will also tell you that there were/are times when they just got lucky - were in the right place, met the right person, etc - unless they are totally devoid of humility and intelligence.

 

However, I can sympathise with people who are now beyond caring about the manner of performance. I would certainly like to fluke the next three games and play like spanners rather then outclass everyone and lose...

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Just got back.

I thought it was an encouraging performance by a very young and inexperienced side. Although i thought we'd get thrashed when i saw the line up there were quite a few positives to come from the game. Gillett plays well as holding midfielder although his passing was suspect at times, James seems to be getting better and so does McGoldrick, McLaggon looked good on debut with a great run and set up for goal. Minus points were Smith was terrible and waste of space and Patterson seemed to tire very early on and it seemed Reading were not really up for it until we scored.

Was in block 4 Itchen and thought the atmosphere was good.

Hopefully with Saga and Dyer returning they can replace Patterson and Smith.

[the saint in winchester]

if/when the club goes bankrupt how many points are deducted? Is it 10 or 15 or 30. I'm sure Luton got docked 30 points.

 

10 point deduction for going into Administration. Luton's 30 point penalty was for "financial irregularities".

[alpine_saint]

So according to alps you can only ever play well if you win?

 

What bolllocks. I expressly wrote I would rather we played CRAP and won.

[alpine_saint]

Of course you would , as you sit at home with your feet up watching teletext.

 

Really, you'd do well to change the record. It's not even a put-down any more. Saintwarwick's accusation of people who attended the match who have a different opinion of the performance "seeing a different game" just says it all.

[miserableoldgit]

Yes. We didnt win.

 

I am utterly disinterested in whether we strung together x number of passes and pretty triangles. The scoreline is all. We didnt win. We were crap. I havent assigned blame anywhere, but we are now languishing second from bottom after failing to win another home game. WE WERE CRAP.

 

What bolllocks. I expressly wrote I would rather we played CRAP and won.

But surely if you are ONLY interested the result, why ever go to games? Just look at the final scores on TV or in the papers. But TBH if your assessment of a game is that we were crap because we didn`t win it is very simplistic and probably negates any positives that your argument may have. I was there yesterday and for once felt that I had recieved "VFM" at SMS. It was an good entertaining game and Saints actually deserved more from it. Surely that`s what watching football is about. Not JUST the result.

[alpine_saint]

But surely if you are ONLY interested the result, why ever go to games? Just look at the final scores on TV or in the papers. But TBH if your assessment of a game is that we were crap because we didn`t win it is very simplistic and probably negates any positives that your argument may have. I was there yesterday and for once felt that I had recieved "VFM" at SMS. It was an good entertaining game and Saints actually deserved more from it. Surely that`s what watching football is about. Not JUST the result.

 

Ah, yes. That desperate old straw-clutch.

 

By law of averages if we had "deserved more" from certain games this season, we would have more points than we do now.

 

We play pretty, ineffectual powder-puff football. Deal with it.

[miserableoldgit]

Ah, yes. That desperate old straw-clutch.

 

By law of averages if we had "deserved more" from certain games this season, we would have more points than we do now.

 

We play pretty, ineffectual powder-puff football. Deal with it.

So for you watching football (at any level) is ONLY about the result?? Hmmmmm...........

[NickG]

But surely if you are ONLY interested the result, why ever go to games? Just look at the final scores on TV or in the papers. But TBH if your assessment of a game is that we were crap because we didn`t win it is very simplistic and probably negates any positives that your argument may have. I was there yesterday and for once felt that I had recieved "VFM" at SMS. It was an good entertaining game and Saints actually deserved more from it. Surely that`s what watching football is about. Not JUST the result.

 

like most who went I am glad I went and now looking forward to next home league game

[SaintRobbie]

So for you watching football (at any level) is ONLY about the result?? Hmmmmm...........

 

Of course this is not true. But it would be nice to watch the odd win and go home happy and not kick the dog every once and a while.

[saintwarwick]

Really, you'd do well to change the record. It's not even a put-down any more. Saintwarwick's accusation of people who attended the match who have a different opinion of the performance "seeing a different game" just says it all.

 

Really, and you'd do well to change the record. Accusation my arse, I haven't accused anyone of anything, I merely pointed out quite a few of us saw a different game to the poster I replied to. Still it's typical of you to change the course of the post to suit your negative agenda and all from the comfort of your armchair without any knowledge of the game at all. All your negative replies to posters who don't fit into your criteria all have a touch of irony with the added pot, kettle, black.

[hypochondriac]

What bolllocks. I expressly wrote I would rather we played CRAP and won.

 

I beg to differ my friend...

 

Yes. We didnt win.

 

I am utterly disinterested in whether we strung together x number of passes and pretty triangles. The scoreline is all. We didnt win. We were crap. I havent assigned blame anywhere, but we are now languishing second from bottom after failing to win another home game. WE WERE CRAP.

 

Feel free to apologise for your error.

[saint1977]

I'll avoid the Alpine debate and say that the Reading game was a better display. We still badly need a tall, organised, leg-breaking CB (preferably 2 as Lancashire is never going to be CCC standard) as Reading's crosses were travelling a lot further than they should have been and most of them should have been headed miles out. Every set-piece still looks like a goal for the opposition still. If Doyle had got a winner, I'd have been furious, the club MUST be able to spot we are as solid in the air as Aeroflot in the Soviet era. Pearce is raw but at least does attack the ball, as a Reading player he couldn't play though.

 

We could also do with another organised CM, maybe not a leg-breaker but someone who can close the game down when needed - a Mahon type of QPR/Watford, not the greatest player but someone who can shield the back 4 and organise. Wotton was earmarked for this role but whoever bought him hadn't watched CCC football as Plymouth fans booed him off last season and we paid him more than they did!

 

Also play Saga up-front if the Stern money keeps the bank quiet please.

[NickG]

how do you know players salaries (from two clubs)?