NewYorkSaint Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 As we all sit there, jaws dropped, at how well this season is going, maybe time to put in a plug for Koeman's elder brother Erwin. The guy with the slightly less glittery career, who seems content to work out of the limelight but who, according to friends of mine in the Netherlands, is if anything an even greater tactician and man manager than Ronald. Whether or not they're right, having two great footballing minds on the case for every match we play is likely to be a big advantage. Think about that for a bit. Every time there's a dilemma or problem or strategy challenge, Ronald doesn't have to crack it alone. He can brainstorm it with the brother he trusts. I have a hunch that that is a huge huge edge for us. All the best ideas emerge out of people sparking off each other a little. That can only happen in an atmosphere of mutual trust and respect. For reasons of money, and probably more importantly the need to avoid dueling egos, most teams don't have an assistant coach with the type of skills and influence of Erwin. It's only the family dynamics of these two that make it possible. Erwin seems content to be the behind the scenes guy. But I bet, every so often, he'd like someone to acknowledge that he's a key piece of the magic that's happening right now at Southampton. If not, there just might be a risk that at some point he gets frustrated and wants to find his own club again. I realize the whole back-room team contribute in different ways, but I don't think we've heard enough, or appreciated enough, the unique role Erwin is playing. So I think we should, from time to time, offer a little Erwin-love. Anyone else agree? And does anyone have any insight on the respective roles the two brothers play?
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Then you have Sammy Lee running around too ...
Foxstone Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 As we all sit there, jaws dropped, at how well this season is going, maybe time to put in a plug for Koeman's elder brother Erwin. The guy with the slightly less glittery career, who seems content to work out of the limelight but who, according to friends of mine in the Netherlands, is if anything an even greater tactician and man manager than Ronald. Whether or not they're right, having two great footballing minds on the case for every match we play is likely to be a big advantage. Think about that for a bit. Every time there's a dilemma or problem or strategy challenge, Ronald doesn't have to crack it alone. He can brainstorm it with the brother he trusts. I have a hunch that that is a huge huge edge for us. All the best ideas emerge out of people sparking off each other a little. That can only happen in an atmosphere of mutual trust and respect. For reasons of money, and probably more importantly the need to avoid dueling egos, most teams don't have an assistant coach with the type of skills and influence of Erwin. It's only the family dynamics of these two that make it possible. Erwin seems content to be the behind the scenes guy. But I bet, every so often, he'd like someone to acknowledge that he's a key piece of the magic that's happening right now at Southampton. If not, there just might be a risk that at some point he gets frustrated and wants to find his own club again. I realize the whole back-room team contribute in different ways, but I don't think we've heard enough, or appreciated enough, the unique role Erwin is playing. So I think we should, from time to time, offer a little Erwin-love. Anyone else agree? And does anyone have any insight on the respective roles the two brothers play? I think you have nailed the roles of both of them nicely - they compliment each other and it is absolutely right that Erwin gets his share of the plaudits too.
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 (edited) Between Sammy Lee and the Koeman brothers, the Saints coaching team has a playing career of... - 2x European Championships - 4x European Cups - 7x La Liga/Premier League titles - 123 caps for England/Holland Edited 12 January, 2015 by Matthew Le God
JustinR Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 I agree - he should have a song too! Ronald, Ronald. Ronald, Ronald. Ronald, Ronald Koeman Erwin, Erwin. Erwin, Erwin. Erwin, Erwin Koeman Its technically more accurate that singing it for Kelvin and Steven too
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Between Sammy Lee and the Koeman brothers, the Saints coaching team has a playing career of... - 2x European Championships - 4x European Cups - 7x La Liga/Premier League titles That's quite incredible!
Bearsy Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Between Sammy Lee and the Koeman brothers, the Saints coaching team has a playing career of... - 2x European Championships - 4x European Cups - 7x La Liga/Premier League titles Who won the Premier League title(s)?
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Who won the Premier League title(s)? It was the equivalent of that, as you well know.
Bearsy Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 you've changed, mlg. Your work never used to be so sloppy!
Coldridge Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Erwin Koeman is a fully-fledged manager masquerading as an 'assistant'. If you look at the assistant coaches of most premier league sides, they are professional supporting cast members, few of which have ever forged a career independently aside from the odd caretaking blip. This makes Southampton quite unique in that there is reason to believe we have two managers, Ronald being the face of the arrangement.
Coxford_lou Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Ronald, Ronald. Ronald, Ronald. Ronald, Ronald Koeman Erwin, Erwin. Erwin, Erwin. Erwin, Erwin Koeman Its technically more accurate that singing it for Kelvin and Steven too Cue the Turkish clap clap clap clap clap post...
Bucks Saint Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 When they were just two little boys They asked their mother what should they be Should they be managers, or assistants? Here's what she said to them Off you go now sons And show them how its done Ron and Erwin Koe-man You will lead the Saints Koeman bros, Koeman bros
Dellman Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 I agree about the brothers but I would like to know how Sammy Lee fits in, he always seems a huge enthusiast and a top guy to have around. We've got a top team on and off the field at the moment
ART Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 (edited) Ron, Erwin and Sam Southampton's Three Musketeers All for one, One for All. They stand tall and take the challenge, Together they lead the call. Ron, Erwin and Sam All for one, One for All. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOiAFxC7H_U Edited 12 January, 2015 by ART
trousers Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2906742/Southampton-s-brain-trust-Meet-men-scenes-St-Mary-s-responsible-Saints-meteoric-rise.html Southampton's brain trust: Meet the men behind the scenes at St Mary's responsible for the Saints' meteoric rise
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 I meet some Dutch blokes in Portugal in the summer, they were full of praise for him, more so than Ron.
trousers Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Thinking out loud, is there any chance Erwin could stay at Saints if/when Ronald eventually leaves (assuming he'll be enticed by the Barcelona or Dutch National Team job at some point over the next few years) and take over as first team manager? Or are Erwin and Ronald an inseparable management team now? Would soften the blow of Koeman leaving if we could keep Erwin and maintain some continuity. As I say, just musing out loud.
Saint_Ash Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 I agree about the brothers but I would like to know how Sammy Lee fits in, he always seems a huge enthusiast and a top guy to have around. We've got a top team on and off the field at the moment Are there any photos or vids of Sammy Lee going mental at old Trafford, I can only imagine it and it makes me laugh, see it would be even funnier!
S-Clarke Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Are there any photos or vids of Sammy Lee going mental at old Trafford, I can only imagine it and it makes me laugh, see it would be even funnier! He's like a hyperactive hamster.
The Hoff Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Ronald, Ronald. Ronald, Ronald. Ronald, Ronald Koeman Erwin, Erwin. Erwin, Erwin. Erwin, Erwin Koeman Its technically more accurate that singing it for Kelvin and Steven too Yes. Love it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Mattio Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Saints have some amazing backroom staff in general, probably a big reason we're doing so well in the league Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
NewYorkSaint Posted 12 January, 2015 Author Posted 12 January, 2015 Thinking out loud, is there any chance Erwin could stay at Saints if/when Ronald eventually leaves (assuming he'll be enticed by the Barcelona or Dutch National Team job at some point over the next few years) and take over as first team manager? Or are Erwin and Ronald an inseparable management team now? Would soften the blow of Koeman leaving if we could keep Erwin and maintain some continuity. As I say, just musing out loud. That's not a crazy scenario.
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Are there any photos or vids of Sammy Lee going mental at old Trafford, I can only imagine it and it makes me laugh, see it would be even funnier! From his Liverpool days...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 When they were just two little boys They asked their mother what should they be Should they be managers, or assistants? Here's what she said to them Off you go now sons And show them how its done Ron and Erwin Koe-man You will lead the Saints Koeman bros, Koeman bros Genius. See if you can get it going, Bucks...
Graffito Posted 12 January, 2015 Posted 12 January, 2015 Hand van Breukelen on 5 Live now talking about the Koemans.
SNSUN Posted 9 August, 2015 Posted 9 August, 2015 Yep. Besides subs during the game and perhaps a tactical tweak if needed, I wonder how much rein he has over things like team selection...
Golden Balls Posted 9 August, 2015 Posted 9 August, 2015 I'm sure he can handle it. Get well soon Ronald.
niceandfriendly Posted 9 August, 2015 Posted 9 August, 2015 Just has to be "Oh Erwin Koeman" to the tune of Babernicker by Toots and Duvel.
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