eurosaint Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 For me it is a blight on the beautiful game and clearly it does not apply at Old Trafford, at least where Smalling is concerned ! I thought that refs had been instructed to stamp it out, clearly not !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 For me there will always be an element of tugging but i want refs to punish the excessive one sided stuff. Clearly the ref saw Smalling because he warned him before the next corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Surprise surprise!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Clattenburg gave a penalty against us away at arsenal last season for a similar tug as Pelle was getting. Either it's a foul all the time or not of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 I think Pelle should have given his shirt to Smalling after the match. He had been trying to get it from Graz all match, almost taking it off at one point. Clearly shown on TV as well, cheating bastard. Its disgusting that referees do not clamp down on this, instead they seem to give the free kicks the other way (especially when it is Pelle, every single decision seems to go against him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 It's so frustrating watching a ref be scared to give decisions at places like this. Makes the win an even better achievement though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 No consistancy with the refs, that's what makes it worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 It's so frustrating watching a ref be scared to give decisions at places like this. Makes the win an even better achievement though. Bang on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 We should have had 3 pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Never had him down as a shirt-lifter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 What annoys me is the ref clearly saw it, as he warned Smalling not to do it again. Surely when he first saw it he should have given a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Clearly a tactic to deal with Pellè's physicality. Luckily, it didn't work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 The Sky commentators claimed it was shirt pulling by both players when we could clearly see on the screen that it was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Clearly a tactic to deal with Pellè's physicality. Luckily, it didn't work! Useful too - they seemed to have 2 players close in on Pelle all game, which freed up space for others. Pelle doesn't always score, but he contributes so much, and works bloody hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 For me it is a blight on the beautiful game and clearly it does not apply at Old Trafford, at least where Smalling is concerned ! I thought that refs had been instructed to stamp it out, clearly not !! Rest assured that if it had been Pele on Smalling in our box the penalty would have been given! It was outrageous how blatant Smalling's shirt pulling was yet Dowd did nothing! I normally stand up for referees but in situations like that they deserve all the contempt that is poured on them. That is just weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Nothing new at Old Trafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans gruber Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 its a dead set penalty. how many times in the outfield do we see a player with the slightest pull on the shirt, fall over as if they have been shot.... and for the offending player to get a yellow card for said offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Had I been Pelle yesterday I would have removed my shirt and given it to Smalling there and then and say "We've got plenty more but you ain't fit to wear one!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Pelle should have given him the shirt after one of the corners. Pelle would have been booked but. Dowd couldnt have ignored it any more. Coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 The DT indicated in their report that Smalling was trying to swap shirts early with Pelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 I say it all the time. To beat a 'big' team you have to beat 12 men. It wasn't just the shirt pulling. He gave united every tiny decision and only gave us blatantly obvious free kicks. Even then he still didn't give us some obvious ones. They're ruled by fear. They're scared if they give something against a big team that ends in a goal it will be scrutinised for a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Our players do it too, in fact most players of every team do it at every corner/free kick. They do it because they get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Anyone got a pic of the other occasions? There's one where you can't see Pelle's number because Smalling has it in his fist somewhere around his shoulder. Compare with the penalty we conceded at Arsenal in the Boruc Cruyff Turn gamev last season for Fonte briefly grabbing someone after a Saints player had already been shirtpulled and prevented from clearing the ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Last penalty I can remember for a shirt pull in the box other than the Fonte one was for Ireland in the 2002 World Cup. Seems consistent with yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 No consistancy with the refs, that's what makes it worse Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirleySaint Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Perhaps refs would give the foul (in the box) if the offence was downgraded to an indirect free kick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Perhaps refs would give the foul (in the box) if the offence was downgraded to an indirect free kick? Maybe. The biggest problem with giving a decision for shirt pulling for a corner is that both defenders and attackers are doing it, so who do you punish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Maybe. The biggest problem with giving a decision for shirt pulling for a corner is that both defenders and attackers are doing it, so who do you punish? The one who isn't lying on the floor, which brings us back to the diving issue - and the "refs should punish fouls where the player doesn't go down, so he doesn't HAVE to go down" thing. Much as it was going on, I never once thought we'd get a penalty for it. Thought they might though, in amongst Dowd's inability to give a 50/50 our way in the entire match, again. 4 contested throw-in decisions in the last few minutes, all of them went to Man U. Booking for Pelle for absolutely nothing? Check. Free kick in dangerous area for nothing foul, check. At least he didn't give a penalty for the ball hitting someone in the face, but apart from that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Perhaps refs would give the foul (in the box) if the offence was downgraded to an indirect free kick? That just leads to more people doing it. Shirt-pulling is a yellow card offence, if anything it's worse than a "normal" foul. Also, FIFA have tried to move people away from the indirect free kick route by the IFAB ruling that it's practically impossible to commit an obstruction foul without committing a contact foul (direct free-kick), I can't see them muddying the waters with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 (edited) Dowd is a poor referee. A good one would have penalised what was is clearly a foul on Pelle. Edited 12 January, 2015 by Leicestersaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 12 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Our players do it too, in fact most players of every team do it at every corner/free kick. They do it because they get away with it. This is true but the reason I started this thread is because yesterday it was blatantly one way and so bl**dy obvious that a blind man at midnight could not have missed it ! Sadly Dowd chose to ignore it for his own reasons ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Dowd is a poor referee. A good one would have penalised was is clearly a foul on Pelle. Not based on every football match I've seen since 2002 apart from the two mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Last penalty I can remember for a shirt pull in the box other than the Fonte one was for Ireland in the 2002 World Cup. Seems consistent with yesterday. Stoke v Swansea earlier this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Yet another shocking perfromance from the officials summed by the tackle on Elia by Smalling. Dowd does not blow for free kick yet goes back to warn Smalling when play breaks down!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 What annoys me is the ref clearly saw it, as he warned Smalling not to do it again. Surely when he first saw it he should have given a pen. Indeed. If you trip someone in the area you dont get warned that if you do it again it will be a penalty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 12 January, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Yet another shocking perfromance from the officials summed by the tackle on Elia by Smalling. Dowd does not blow for free kick yet goes back to warn Smalling when play breaks down!! I thought that our players not only defended well but honestly, had they strayed for a second inside the box I'm convinced that they'd have been punished ! It's already been said that you 'never get anything up there' and fortunately we never gave the officials a real opportunity to nail us ! That's another reason why it was such a momentous victory ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Perhaps refs would give the foul (in the box) if the offence was downgraded to an indirect free kick? But a foul in the box is a penalty. Pulling someone back by the shirt is as much as a foul as a trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 This is true but the reason I started this thread is because yesterday it was blatantly one way and so bl**dy obvious that a blind man at midnight could not have missed it ! Sadly Dowd chose to ignore it for his own reasons ! If Smalling's shirt pulling had gone much further, Pelle would have been booked for removing his shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeezo Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Look at the pictures, He's not even following the ball. Maybe Smalling is actually almost blind but has managed to hide his disability from everyone by feeling his way through games? Like Donald Pleasence in The Great Escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 And WTF was Pelle's yellow card for? It looked worse on slowdown and the colour commentator even went so far as to say Pelle is a naughty boy but I didn't think it was deliberate at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Stoke v Swansea earlier this season? Didn't see it (though I remember the Moses dive), who was involved with that? If it was Crouch, he kind of needs his own rulebook due to the problems caused by his height, elbowing people in the face by just sticking his arms out, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Law 12 of the Laws of Football states that a direct free kick is awarded (or a penalty if the offence is in the area) if a player holds an opponent. If referees are interpreting that to mean that holding the shirt is not holding an opponent then you may as well have a free-for-all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggs Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Paper Shirts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Didn't see it (though I remember the Moses dive), who was involved with that? If it was Crouch, he kind of needs his own rulebook due to the problems caused by his height, elbowing people in the face by just sticking his arms out, etc. Shawcross on Bony. Michael Oliver gave the pen and most right-thinking people said he was correct, but why didn't it happen every game? It never has again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Wish there was some way to connect the back of the shirt to a battery so that he who tugs gets an electrical shock. Jason Kundy from Talksport is a good one to Tweet about tugging, as he reads them all and often brings up the topic. His Tweet Address is @jasoncundy05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 The club needs to send Smalling a signed Pelle shirt. It would be a nice touch! Surprised the media team ain't on this already tbh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 I think the big teams should be allowed to get away with it and it should be a penalty if the smaller teams do it. That's fair isn't it. Well that seems to be the rule implemented by Premier League referees at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Wish there was some way to connect the back of the shirt to a battery so that he who tugs gets an electrical shock. Jason Kundy from Talksport is a good one to Tweet about tugging, as he reads them all and often brings up the topic. His Tweet Address is @jasoncundy05 Tweeting about tugging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 From the blue moon forum... -- smeeagain wrote: when is smalling going to get found out with the shirt pulling??? -- Are you mad he plays for the **** he can do what he likes especially at the dump. what about the granny ****ger going though that lad from behind -- Worth a look! http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=308144&sid=7cd353f1887c3585fba8c1b9a7b35980&start=1680 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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