BigShadow Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 So...we get into April - its between us and Arsenal for the 4th Champions League spot - Morgan's head is already at Arsenal - how does the rest of his body play in helping us beat Arsenal to the CL??? Could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 I don't think us getting in to the CL will be enough to keep him. I've heard he lives and socialises in London (due being recognised less often) a lot of the time and finds it a ball ache getting back and forth. Source is usual mate of a mate stuff though so who knows. And of course he will continue not to be recognised if he played for Arsenal or Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 And so it goes on, DD gradually moving his chessmen out of average clubs and into CL campaigners, this window it's Sissoko and Lloris to PSG and Loic Perrin to Arsenal, he won't be content until he has only CL players in his squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 I don't think us getting in to the CL will be enough to keep him. I've heard he lives and socialises in London (due being recognised less often) a lot of the time and finds it a ball ache getting back and forth. Source is usual mate of a mate stuff though so who knows. Have also heard that he (and his partner) want a move to London (although hadn't heard the bit about being recognised) via friend of friend. Certainly don't think he will end up anywhere near Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 I agree with part of that, but if we get CL...and Arsenal do as well.....the big Q. will be will he play for us at 40K / week , or Arsenal for 100K / week ? I personally don't think we'll make the Champions League spots, if we do it will be absurd, though brilliant, after pre-season predictions in the media had us as relegation fodder, but if we do make them, one would hope the club take it seriously and think about the extra revenue we'll get with the vision of keeping our best players on more money. It's a fine line though. We don't want to be splurging money on bigger wages, only for the Champions League outing to be for one season, and find we are paying a lot of money for players the following season with no added CL income. Do that and we could do a Leeds. I wonder what might happen to Liverpool long term too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 The same as Bony IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 HIs value is easily close 30 million plus. He is as near as the finished article as you can get and suited to the Chelsea man City etc clubs as they don't breed their own. They buy ready made players. He has even started to find the net. Players like Spider don't come along very often how many Gerrard Scholes and Vieras are there now. Practically none. Well thats my view anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 I personally don't think we'll make the Champions League spots, if we do it will be absurd, though brilliant, after pre-season predictions in the media had us as relegation fodder, but if we do make them, one would hope the club take it seriously and think about the extra revenue we'll get with the vision of keeping our best players on more money. It's a fine line though. We don't want to be splurging money on bigger wages, only for the Champions League outing to be for one season, and find we are paying a lot of money for players the following season with no added CL income. Do that and we could do a Leeds. I wonder what might happen to Liverpool long term too... I would say there's a one in a million chance we'll make top 4 this season. But even if we do (and it would be brilliant), there is no chance in hell we'd make it back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 I would say there's a one in a million chance we'll make top 4 this season. But even if we do (and it would be brilliant), there is no chance in hell we'd make it back to back. Currently 10/3 rather than a million to 1 . Just slightly out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 7 January, 2015 Share Posted 7 January, 2015 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 This argument is nonsense. Who do you think was strengthened by the us selling Lallana and Lovren... If you sell to your competitors for exuberant fees then you make ground on them...They pay over the odds and you get the money to replace the sold player plus extra for developing the team. The key their is over the odds... selling to the competition for anything approaching replacement value is moronic. I.e. Arse selling RVP for only £24m, but then that was bad contract management and transfer planning full stop - the result of which is Arsenal not winning anything of note since the invincible (bar a cup where the best team they had to beat was hull). I would be quite happy with us selling Morgan to an english team for £30m. In perspective here for you, Toby is better and younger than Morgan, and he is costing us £6.2m (should we sign him)... Plus the lad wants to be here, plus he is replacing Lovren who we sold for £20m.... Selling to your rivals is superb business if you do it correctly. In theory you are correct, but the problem with your analysis arises out of the unequal resources available to the various premier league teams. Say, for example, we sell Morgan to Arsenal for 40 million pounds--woo hoo we took them. But he fills a long standing hole in their line up that they have appeared unable or unwilling to fill any other way. And they have the money to spare. As a result they become a significantly stronger team. We are weaker with out Morgan. Perhaps we can get lucky (or skillful) and replace him with someone close for only a portion of the money but it is unlikely we could use the rest of the money to otherwise catch up with Arsenal. On the other hand, if we sold Morgan to Swansea for 40 million pounds that would hurt them. But might still not be better off. Of course, none of this really matters because we will have to sell him this summer for considerably less unless we make the champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 I would say there's a one in a million chance we'll make top 4 this season. But even if we do (and it would be brilliant), there is no chance in hell we'd make it back to back. One in a million greatly understates our chances. And we will get it back to back because we will win the Champions League in 2015-2016. You read it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 I would say there's a one in a million chance we'll make top 4 this season. . I will have a quid at those odds. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Lets face it if Morgan goes to Arsenal he won't play much..................I don't know what happens to players at Arsenal but Morgan's likely to develop some long term recurring injury if he moves there;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 I will have a quid at those odds. Thanks. hell I'll put a tenner on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Hah. I'm not a betting agency lads so you're out of luck. Maybe 1/1000000 is a tad pessimistic. I'm trying to keep my expectations in line, because I've been hurt before. But I don't think 10/3 is that realistic either, given the difference in resources and ability to deal with inury/form slumps/etc. But again, I'll gladly eat my words and my hat should we make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Hah. I'm not a betting agency lads so you're out of luck. Maybe 1/1000000 is a tad pessimistic. I'm trying to keep my expectations in line, because I've been hurt before. But I don't think 10/3 is that realistic either, given the difference in resources and ability to deal with inury/form slumps/etc. But again, I'll gladly eat my words and my hat should we make it. Really? You won't be upset that your prediction was wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Hah. I'm not a betting agency lads so you're out of luck. Maybe 1/1000000 is a tad pessimistic. I'm trying to keep my expectations in line, because I've been hurt before. But I don't think 10/3 is that realistic either, given the difference in resources and ability to deal with inury/form slumps/etc. But again, I'll gladly eat my words and my hat should we make it. What odds are you offering then? And isn't 1/100000 odds on? Like you'd have to bet a million quid to win a quid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-murphy-urges-liverpool-raid-newcastle-and-southampton-replace-gerrard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-murphy-urges-liverpool-raid-newcastle-and-southampton-replace-gerrard Why would Morgan want to go to a midtable team like Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Why would Morgan want to go to a midtable team like Liverpool? "He's an ambitious lad" don't you read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Bloody hell Liverpool, jealousy much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 I'd say 30m considering he's at a better level than anyone we sold in the summer and we don't have a great need for the money, if we get into top 4 you can add another 5m to that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Why would Morgan want to go to a midtable team like Liverpool? He has constantly said he wants regular CL football so Liverpool are a non starter. I honestly don't think Morgan would be considered by Man city or Chelsea. I don't think Liverpool or spurs are good enough for him, If he is serious about regular CL football, or can even afford what the club value him at him. Same with Arsenal who won't pay what Morgan is worth. That really only leaves Man U who can afford him and be big enough to give him what he wants...........hopefully he will go abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 Haven't Liverpool learnt? If they sign any more of last years team, then they will almost certainly be assured of 8th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 The one point everyone seems to miss is that Morgan is under contract until the summer 2017. He extended his contract in Feb 2013 and the deal takes him to the summer of 2017. So we don't need to sell Morgan until the summer of 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 The one point everyone seems to miss is that Morgan is under contract until the summer 2017. He extended his contract in Feb 2013 and the deal takes him to the summer of 2017. So we don't need to sell Morgan until the summer of 2016! Oh, I think we will have told him we will sell him in the summer, in exchange for forcing him to stay last summer. The only question is whether we make Champions' League and if that's enough to keep him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 His value is enhanced by the fact that he counts as a home grown player for English clubs. For that reason he would be extremely useful to Manchester City and Chelsea. He can't go to Barcelona until next January because of their transfer embargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 January, 2015 Share Posted 8 January, 2015 If Henderson can command a £20m fee, f()ck knows what Morgan is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint78 Posted 9 January, 2015 Share Posted 9 January, 2015 Saw on the Elia thread someone asking about name pronunciation. Some of my wife's relatives are from the Alsace region of France where Morgan is from. They pronounce his surname as Shneederlan. It took me a while to work out we were talking about the same person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Gone up a bit today, surely! Cracking performance, at Old Trafford, live on Sky shown around the world. £40 million. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/transfer-talk/news/schneiderlin-110-to-remain-at-southampton_198522.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 To be honest, I've been amazed for the last three seasons that Wenger wasn't more eager to sign him. I think he'd be a good fit there. Sad to lose him but feels like our time is up and we can max out the income. Would absolutely hate it if he chose Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 he wont be sold for £40m £30m at the absolute MAX IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 he wont be sold for £40m £30m at the absolute MAX IMO Depends how in demand he is, really. If he attracts attention from the likes of PSG and also clubs from England, then we could be entering into silly money territory. I wouldn't be surprised to see huge money put down in the summer. He's simply one of the best midfielders of his sort in Europe right now. If any world giant wanted a midfielder, he'd probably be top of the list. and with 3/4 years still remaining on his contract, we are in a very strong position to get top, top dollar should he leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 To be honest, I've been amazed for the last three seasons that Wenger wasn't more eager to sign him. I think he'd be a good fit there. Sad to lose him but feels like our time is up and we can max out the income. Would absolutely hate it if he chose Spurs. Just can't see it now. He's proven himself good enough for a title challenging/CL team. We've long been saying how good he is, people are really starting to cotton on to this now. GNev saying himself yday he is good enough for any team in the league. Plus, I cannot see Spurs coughing up anywhere near what we would demand. I think Morgan will leave in the summer, I've said so several times, but can't imagine it'll be for Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Depends how in demand he is, really. If he attracts attention from the likes of PSG and also clubs from England, then we could be entering into silly money territory. I wouldn't be surprised to see huge money put down in the summer. He's simply one of the best midfielders of his sort in Europe right now. If any world giant wanted a midfielder, he'd probably be top of the list. and with 3/4 years still remaining on his contract, we are in a very strong position to get top, top dollar should he leave. how many DM get sold for £40m? with khadira on a free too in the sumemr morgan is a player who WANTS out and we have no doubt agreed (may have already) to sell him to club x,y or z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 He has always got plaudits for his performances,but it seemed the sky mob really put him up there with the elite yesterday. After what we sold Ox & Walcott for Wenger knows Morgan will not be leaving on the cheap and for someone that is a renowned tightarse he would probably cry at the figures we would want. Its inevitable he will leave in the summer,I just hope he has done enough the last 2 seasons to get a proper move to a real big club,however Spurs,Liverpool and Arsenal are not big European hitters imo,would love it to see him at PSG,Barca or Madrid,cant see him at Chelsea or City.... however a partnership of MS/Matic or MS/Yaya Toure would be sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 To be honest, I've been amazed for the last three seasons that Wenger wasn't more eager to sign him. I think he'd be a good fit there. Sad to lose him but feels like our time is up and we can max out the income. Would absolutely hate it if he chose Spurs. Problem with moving to Arsenal is you have to spend half your career injured. That might put Morgan off a bit. He's probably not v.keen on getting injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Just can't see it now. He's proven himself good enough for a title challenging/CL team. We've long been saying how good he is, people are really starting to cotton on to this now. GNev saying himself yday he is good enough for any team in the league. Plus, I cannot see Spurs coughing up anywhere near what we would demand. I think Morgan will leave in the summer, I've said so several times, but can't imagine it'll be for Spurs. Yeah, I think he's now gone a notch above Spurs level, and secondly as we saw in the summer, they can't afford him - even more so now. They don't have the finance require to pull him away, and they can sod off with all their player swap ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Well if Luiz went to PSG for about 45m it gives hope we can get a decent price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 It's a shame that if he was at Chelsea you could add five grand for the designer label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 I still can't believe Arsenal didn't bid from him last summer. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Claridge, Savage, etc discussed MS briefly on 5 Live tonight. Claridge on the pre-season turmoil: "You can certainly understand why they (the club) got offers around £28m and yet said no, he must not leave". Said he has improved since last season, is the complete player etc. Was also very complimentary about Vic and noted how young he is. No idea where he got the £28m figure from, but MS has to be a chunk above £30m IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 January, 2015 Share Posted 12 January, 2015 Claridge, Savage, etc discussed MS briefly on 5 Live tonight. Claridge on the pre-season turmoil: "You can certainly understand why they (the club) got offers around £28m and yet said no, he must not leave". Said he has improved since last season, is the complete player etc. Was also very complimentary about Vic and noted how young he is. No idea where he got the £28m figure from, but MS has to be a chunk above £30m IMO. Yeah, wasn't the truth something like we only had one offer from Spurs - And it was somewhere around the £9-11m mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 http://www.caughtoffside.com/2015/01/04/manchester-united-latest-club-linked-with-impressive-27m-southampton-destroyer/ http://www.caughtoffside.com/2015/01/13/man-united-make-25m-southampton-star-their-main-january-target/ Apparently, Schneiderlin's performance against Manchester United has caused him to drop in value by 2 million pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 http://www.caughtoffside.com/2015/01/04/manchester-united-latest-club-linked-with-impressive-27m-southampton-destroyer/ http://www.caughtoffside.com/2015/01/13/man-united-make-25m-southampton-star-their-main-january-target/ Apparently, Schneiderlin's performance against Manchester United has caused him to drop in value by 2 million pounds. As long as I am poking fun at this Patrick Williamson guy, there is this: http://www.spurslatest.com/2015/01/ten-likely-january-transfers-between-premier-league-clubs-arsenal-and-man-united-buys-included/ Does that mean that the Schneiderlin transfer to Manchester United is not even likely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 We can expect a £25m bid from that very same Utd: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/551665/Manchester-United-Morgan-Schneiderlin-25m-Bid I am sure we will relish giving them the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 We can expect a £25m bid from that very same Utd: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/551665/Manchester-United-Morgan-Schneiderlin-25m-Bid I am sure we will relish giving them the answer is it me or does this stink of games by Man United to try and destabilise a potential threat to their champions league ambitions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 13 January, 2015 Share Posted 13 January, 2015 is it me or does this stink of games by Man United to try and destabilise a potential threat to their champions league ambitions? It's about the winning not the taking part don't ya know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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