Sorry No Point In Sacking JP

[sadoldgit]

JP is not up to it & by that I mean he cannot stand up to Lowe & make his own decisions. Sacking him to bring in another puppet is there any point really, as in my opinion Lowe is not going to bring in a Billy Davies type (which IMHO we need) as he would not stand for any interference from Lowe. Lowe has proved over & over again he will take no responsibility for the plight we find ourselves in. Will he really admit his vision is wrong & take decisive steps to put it right. I don't think so, so for all our pontificating unless Lowe will change his mind there really is no point in JP leaving. As sad as that may be that is what we are left with.

Happy new year all

 

We keep hearing about this, but do you think that people like STrachan and Redknapp roll over and play dead with their Chairmen/CEOs? I am sure they would love to be called puppets.

[Big Bad Bob]

Derby have now parted company with Jewell tio try and arrest their slump.

.

 

Umm Jewell resigned, the board wanted to keep him on!!

 

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/derby_county/7802617.stm

Derby chairman of football Adam Pearson told BBC Radio Derby that the club had not put any pressure to quit on Jewell, who arrived at Pride Park after six months out of the game following his departure as boss of Wigan Athletic.

 

"It was probably one result too far for Paul," said Pearson. "He came to see me after the game and said that he felt it just wasn't working out and didn't want to club to suffer as a result.

 

"He just feels that the club needs a fresh impetus and a new direction.

 

"So we agreed a deal to go our separate ways, which is something entirely private between the club and Paul."

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Why is there no point?

 

Has the good performance yesterday changed the argument that

Portvliet does not have what it takes by a long way to

stop us being relegated?

 

For me a definate NO!!

 

He must be relieved of his duty NOW or we will fall into league one.

[Legod Third Coming]

Why is there no point?

 

Has the good performance yesterday changed the argument that

Portvliet does not have what it takes by a long way to

stop us being relegated?

 

For me a definate NO!!

 

He must be relieved of his duty NOW or we will fall into league one.

 

What is it about Mark Wotte that you prefer?

[DaveyR]

What is it about Mark Wotte that you prefer?

 

Very defeatist.

[Legod Third Coming]

Very defeatist.

 

You prefer a defeatist?? Bloody hell man, are you mad?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

What is it about Mark Wotte that you prefer?

 

Stupid question and you know it...

 

We don`t need Portvliet,Wotte or this new guy Gorre..

 

We need a manager capable of making the team WIN,yes WIN not

just play pretty football and before you reply that these three

are/were cheaper than a proven manager at this level i simply do not believe

it...

 

I had a decent and amicable conversation with Mr Lowe before

yesterdays match about the same subject.

After he had played the " no money" card we spoke some more

and i have a feeling by the look on his face and his actions

during our conversation that he may be begining to realise it.

[VectisSaint]

JP is not up to it & by that I mean he cannot stand up to Lowe & make his own decisions. Sacking him to bring in another puppet is there any point really, as in my opinion Lowe is not going to bring in a Billy Davies type (which IMHO we need) as he would not stand for any interference from Lowe. Lowe has proved over & over again he will take no responsibility for the plight we find ourselves in. Will he really admit his vision is wrong & take decisive steps to put it right. I don't think so, so for all our pontificating unless Lowe will change his mind there really is no point in JP leaving. As sad as that may be that is what we are left with.

Happy new year all

Why do people persist with silly remarks like this. What you are saying is that JP is the best option out there who will work with Lowe. Why? There are plenty of others who would work with Lowe in the same circumstances, but who are better coaches than JP, who has no experience in a proper professional League. Others could bring not only an improvement with what we have, but also help Lowe bring in some free transfers and loans who could actually help the situation because they understand the English game. So far the only really successful loan we have is Cork, I might be persuaded on Pearce as well, otherwise, waste of time, the lot of them. Thats why JP and MW are of no use. There is fundamentally nothing wrong with the majority of our team, but they are not suited to playing the JP way, and the JP way is not suited to the CCC.

[DaveyR]

You prefer a defeatist?? Bloody hell man, are you mad?

 

Quite happy to sit around and do nothing then??

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Why do people persist with silly remarks like this. What you are saying is that JP is the best option out there who will work with Lowe. Why? There are plenty of others who would work with Lowe in the same circumstances, but who are better coaches than JP, who has no experience in a proper professional League. Others could bring not only an improvement with what we have, but also help Lowe bring in some free transfers and loans who could actually help the situation because they understand the English game. So far the only really successful loan we have is Cork, I might be persuaded on Pearce as well, otherwise, waste of time, the lot of them. Thats why JP and MW are of no use. There is fundamentally nothing wrong with the majority of our team, but they are not suited to playing the JP way, and the JP way is not suited to the CCC.

 

 

Nail hit precisely on head!

[Legod Third Coming]

Stupid question and you know it...

 

We don`t need Portvliet,Wotte or this new guy Gorre..

 

We need a manager capable of making the team WIN,yes WIN not

just play pretty football and before you reply that these three

are/were cheaper than a proven manager at this level i simply do not believe

it...

 

I had a decent and amicable conversation with Mr Lowe before

yesterdays match about he same subject.

After he had played the " no money" card we spoke some more and i have a feeling by the look on his face and his actions that during our conversation he may be begining to realise it.

 

Good on you.

 

However, Rupert tried to employ Wotte in 2005 and I am not convinced he will give up on his dream that easily.

 

I am merely pointing out that I agree with you IF (and it is a massive if) the replacement were guaranteed to be one of someone like: Davies, Boothroyd, etc.

 

I'm not saying anything about money - Lowe wanted Wotte when we had more money - what's changed now? He's realised he made a mistake?

 

It is possible. He did the same with Gray and Wigley. But he needs to rectify the cause of the mistake too, not just change the coach and retain the system.

 

He needs to employ a manager and give him the reigns!!!!

[Legod Third Coming]

Quite happy to sit around and do nothing then??

 

No, see my reply to Always.

[SaintRobbie]

Good on you.

 

However, Rupert tried to employ Wotte in 2005 and I am not convinced he will give up on his dream that easily.

 

I am merely pointing out that I agree with you IF (and it is a massive if) the replacement were guaranteed to be one of someone like: Davies, Boothroyd, etc.

 

I'm not saying anything about money - Lowe wanted Wotte when we had more money - what's changed now? He's realised he made a mistake?

 

It is possible. He did the same with Gray and Wigley. But he needs to rectify the cause of the mistake too, not just change the coach and retain the system.

 

He needs to employ a manager and give him the reigns!!!!

 

True. But internal fixes are rarely successful. Wotte is part of the problem - not a solution.

[Legod Third Coming]

True. But internal fixes are rarely successful. Wotte is part of the problem - not a solution.

 

Yep, but how does our beloved leader see it?

[DaveyR]

So basically we need the whole lot out lock,stock and barrel, or at least Rupert admitting defeat in this experiment and getting rid of the Dutch trio and employing someone with CCC experience to get us out of this mess we are currently in. Because how things are we are most certainly going in to admin with relegation thrown in!!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Good on you.

 

However, Rupert tried to employ Wotte in 2005 and I am not convinced he will give up on his dream that easily.

 

I am merely pointing out that I agree with you IF (and it is a massive if) the replacement were guaranteed to be one of someone like: Davies, Boothroyd, etc.

 

I'm not saying anything about money - Lowe wanted Wotte when we had more money - what's changed now? He's realised he made a mistake?

 

It is possible. He did the same with Gray and Wigley. But he needs to rectify the cause of the mistake too, not just change the coach and retain the system.

 

He needs to employ a manager and give him the reigns!!!!

 

Spot on...

 

He is seriously worried that barclays are going to pull the plug,unless that

was just him scremongering? i don`t know..

 

I explained to him that we must stay in this league or revenue wil fall further still,he again mentioned money...

 

I said to him that it is your job along with the rest of the board

to convince the bank that it is finacially imperative we stay in the CCC

or revenue will drop even more and that their interests(Barclays) would be

better protected by doing so.

[Big Bad Bob]

I had a decent and amicable conversation with Mr Lowe before

yesterdays match about the same subject.

After he had played the " no money" card we spoke some more

and i have a feeling by the look on his face and his actions

during our conversation that he may be begining to realise it.

 

Wow, and I thought the guy was arrogant and obstructive. Must have been the way you were talking to him.

 

You see this is what I have been thinking.

 

Protests won't work because of the 'lunatic fringe'

 

However if some of the more literate on here could sit down and pen a (closed) letter to RL stating what we feel the problems are and what some of the solutions may be then he might take note.

 

Would be more constructive to have the Saints Trust (as they are a fans groups with supposed power) sit down and have a reasoned debate with the Chairman. no emotion, no anger, just reasoned and polite.

 

I feel RL will respond better to this that to mass boycotts/protests.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Wow, and I thought the guy was arrogant and obstructive. Must have been the way you were talking to him.

 

You see this is what I have been thinking.

 

Protests won't work because of the 'lunatic fringe'

 

However if some of the more literate on here could sit down and pen a (closed) letter to RL stating what we feel the problems are and what some of the solutions may be then he might take note.

 

Would be more constructive to have the Saints Trust (as they are a fans groups with supposed power) sit down and have a reasoned debate with the Chairman. no emotion, no anger, just reasoned and polite.

 

I feel RL will respond better to this that to mass boycotts/protests.

 

He did try to talk over me a few times TBH, so i asked him to be quiet and

let me talk as i had let him have his say.

[Legod Third Coming]

Wow, and I thought the guy was arrogant and obstructive. Must have been the way you were talking to him.

 

You see this is what I have been thinking.

 

Protests won't work because of the 'lunatic fringe'

 

However if some of the more literate on here could sit down and pen a (closed) letter to RL stating what we feel the problems are and what some of the solutions may be then he might take note.

 

Would be more constructive to have the Saints Trust (as they are a fans groups with supposed power) sit down and have a reasoned debate with the Chairman. no emotion, no anger, just reasoned and polite.

 

I feel RL will respond better to this that to mass boycotts/protests.

 

Surely he would listen to this? And either justify the current set-up - in which case we can all stop arguing about it - or accept that the current set-up is not working and indicate how he intends to change it!

[St. Jason]

I think he is a good manager, if he had some recourses and finacial backing to buy some good players we would be ok.

 

No manager would be able to do Sweet FA with these players, people need to realise this.

 

Sorry to disagree but what makes him a good manager?

 

Jan Poortaloo - After his retirement in the early 1990s he became a football manager, who worked for clubs like F.C. Den Bosch (Capacity 9k), RBC Roosendaal (capacity 7k) and Stormvogels Telstar (capacity 3250) .

 

He's been a manager for nearly 20 years but he has never managed a club of any size, with his reputation for "total football" and his ability to succeed with little or no money and with youth, why has he never been offered a job of any size in Holland? I'm not talking about Feyenoord or Ajax, but not even a Willem or Vitesse have come in for him, there must be a reason for this, imo it because he's not up to it??

[Legod Third Coming]

Sorry to disagree but what makes him a good manager?

 

Jan Poortaloo - After his retirement in the early 1990s he became a football manager, who worked for clubs like F.C. Den Bosch (Capacity 9k), RBC Roosendaal (capacity 7k) and Stormvogels Telstar (capacity 3250) .

 

He's been a manager for nearly 20 years but he has never managed a club of any size, with his reputation for "total football" and his ability to succeed with little or no money and with youth, why has he never been offered a job of any size in Holland? I'm not talking about Feyenoord or Ajax, but not even a Willem or Vitesse have come in for him, there must be a reason for this, imo it because he's not up to it??

 

Of more interest, why is he here with Wotte who was the Feyenord Technical Director and whom Rupert tried to employ in 2005?

[Under Weststand]

Why do people persist with silly remarks like this. What you are saying is that JP is the best option out there who will work with Lowe. Why? There are plenty of others who would work with Lowe in the same circumstances, but who are better coaches than JP, who has no experience in a proper professional League. Others could bring not only an improvement with what we have, but also help Lowe bring in some free transfers and loans who could actually help the situation because they understand the English game. So far the only really successful loan we have is Cork, I might be persuaded on Pearce as well, otherwise, waste of time, the lot of them. Thats why JP and MW are of no use. There is fundamentally nothing wrong with the majority of our team, but they are not suited to playing the JP way, and the JP way is not suited to the CCC.

I stated at the start of my post I didn't think JP is up to it. What the rest of my drunken ramblings may have been misinterpreted is that unless a new man is given the reigns to change thinks his way instead of this current system then a new face doing the same thing is pointless. I'm all for a change given that simple rule He is allowed to manage.

Lesson don't post when p***ed.

[St. Jason]

Of more interest, why is he here with Wotte who was the Feyenord Technical Director and whom Rupert tried to employ in 2005?

 

 

Exactly, another point, how can a man with such a record as Wotte's A. be Jans assistant and B. be on a combined (Jan, Gore, Hockaday) wage of less than Nigle Pearson??

 

 

Mark Wotte (born 16 December 1960 in Enschede, Overijssel) is a football manager from the Netherlands, who, until May 2008, was the head coach of RKC Waalwijk. As a player he played for Feyenoord Rotterdam, FC Vlaardingen, FC Den Haag and SVV. In 1996, he was named head coach of ADO Den Haag, where he stayed for two seasons, before signing for FC Utrecht (1997-2000). He later worked for FC Den Bosch, Willem II Tilburg, the Royal Netherlands Football Association, Feyenoord Rotterdam (technical director), and Ismaily SC in Egypt, where he left on 16 December 2006 to go to RKC Waalwijk. He went back to Ismaily in 2008 for a short spell. In May 2008, Wotte joined Southampton as assistant manager as part of the new management team which replaced Nigel Pearson. Wotte will work as assistant manager with particular responsibility for the development of Southampton's youth squad and directly under newly appointed head coach Jan Poortvliet.

[St Landrew]

Why is there no point?

 

Has the good performance yesterday changed the argument that

Portvliet does not have what it takes by a long way to

stop us being relegated?

 

For me a definate NO!!

 

He must be relieved of his duty NOW or we will fall into league one.

 

A new manager won't make the smallest difference. This is the whole point of the thread. A new manager/coach will just make us even poorer, and will find himself shackled by the same constraints as JP currently is. League One status is not something a managerial change is going to affect. We're heading for it because the club is setting itself up for it. We must change the whole policy of the club to effect a change, not just the poor bloody coach.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

A new manager won't make the smallest difference. This is the whole point of the thread. A new manager/coach will just make us even poorer, and will find himself shackled by the same constraints as JP currently is. League One status is not something a managerial change is going to affect. We're heading for it because the club is setting itself up for it. We must change the whole policy of the club to effect a change, not just the poor bloody coach.

 

So why do so many clubs part company with their managers

when there is real possibility of relegation?...

 

Because new managers bring different ideas/styles/tactics

to achieve results unlike our dutchman wjo has just the one way.

[St Landrew]

So why do so many clubs part company with their managers

when there is real possibility of relegation?...

 

Because new managers bring different ideas/styles/tactics

to achieve results unlike our dutchman who has just the one way.

 

Because the WHOLE setup is geared towards Jan Poortvliet's style of football. The youngsters have had their academy training in the European style, with technical ability at the forefront. A new manager will have to buckle to the same constraints. He will NOT have the chance to spend money on new players, so the players he will coach will be the same, and they will perform just as inconsistently. JP is not imposing a style on footballers who can't play it. They are used to this style, through Georges Prost, who was hugely successful in the academy with it. But these players are having to make the consistent step-up in quality too early in their careers. And some aren't good enough yet, and possibly never will be if they don't achieve some success soon. They say nothing breeds like success, but nothing breeds like failure too.

 

Sadly, this new broom mentality, that you are recommending, doesn't always work. And hardly ever, at Saints.

[buctootim]

Mickey Adams would at least be cheapish and keen.

 

I would have given Mickey Adams a chance too. But now we have JP there is absolutely no point changing managers mid season unless we know we could attract someone outstanding. None of the usual suspects thanks.

[St. Jason]

I would have given Mickey Adams a chance too. But now we have JP there is absolutely no point changing managers mid season unless we know we could attract someone outstanding. None of the usual suspects thanks.

 

there is every point in changing manager, as it stands under Jans tactics we are 2nd from bottom, 2 points adrift of safety and heading straight to div 1. If Jan can't see that his tactics, formation team selection is not working and change it, then we have no alternative but to change the manager, and now!

 

Last year the board gave Dodd and Gorman a chnace to impress, they didn't and were heading for Div 1, the board realsied this and changed the manager, mid-season, and we survived, just!

[buctootim]

there is every point in changing manager, as it stands under Jans tactics we are 2nd from bottom, 2 points adrift of safety and heading straight to div 1. If Jan can't see that his tactics, formation team selection is not working and change it, then we have no alternative but to change the manager, and now!

 

Last year the board gave Dodd and Gorman a chnace to impress, they didn't and were heading for Div 1, the board realsied this and changed the manager, mid-season, and we survived, just!

 

I dont think JP is most of the problem, its the lack of resources he has to work with. We'd need an outstanding coach or wheeler dealer to make much difference and I dont see Ince or the other names touted as fitting that bill.

[docker-p]

Really guys,what would it achieve. He must be one of the lowest paid managers we have ever had, who would come or better still want to come here. I seriously can't think of any. In my opinion we have played 2 really poor home games this season Blackpool and of course Forest. In all the others things just haven't gone for us although I do accept it's the lack of goals that really causing us all the problems but there is no easy solution.

 

You seem to be saying that all but for a couple of games we have just been unlucky!!!

We are in a relegation spot with our worse home record ever for a reason.

 

If Lowe wasn't drawing such a large salary, or any salary at all, as our last chairmen didn't, maybe we could afford a decent manager.

[St. Jason]

I dont think JP is most of the problem, its the lack of resources he has to work with. We'd need an outstanding coach or wheeler dealer to make much difference and I dont see Ince or the other names touted as fitting that bill.

 

I don't see it that way though mate, Redknapp came in at Spurs, made no signings & won 8 out 11, Alladyce came in at Blackburn again no signings and is unbeaten in 3.

 

I realise there is a counter argument for this, but i'd just like to point out that a change can work without having to change the team/ make wholesale signings!

[Snowballs2]

We do need a new manager even on a short term contract with much of his salary performance linked to avoid relegation. However that man must have experience of the CCC league that we play in and have as one of his main skills the ability to motivate and demand more from the players than they have been giving recently.

It is alleged that we do have some decent young players who need to be motivated to turn in good displays on a regular basis. Portaloo does not have that skill set.

[buctootim]

I don't see it that way though mate, Redknapp came in at Spurs, made no signings & won 8 out 11, Alladyce came in at Blackburn again no signings and is unbeaten in 3.

 

I realise there is a counter argument for this, but i'd just like to point out that a change can work without having to change the team/ make wholesale signings!

 

Thing is tho, both Spurs and Blackburn had quality sides who had been underperforming. Getting them back to playing to their potential shouldnt (and wasnt apprently) that difficult. We by contrast have a squad which, if anything, is playing to its full potential a lot of the time. Its just that we lack quality in major parts of the team, especially upfront.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Worst home record ....EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

But hey ho let`s keep "one trick" Portvliet on regardless:rolleyes:

[St Landrew]

Worst home record ....EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

But hey ho let`s keep "one trick" Portvliet on regardless:rolleyes:

 

I hope you read my answer, because you certainly haven't moderated your stance in the slightest. Given the circumstances, what would you suggest then..?

[St. Jason]

Thing is tho, both Spurs and Blackburn had quality sides who had been underperforming. Getting them back to playing to their potential shouldnt (and wasnt apprently) that difficult. We by contrast have a squad which, if anything, is playing to its full potential a lot of the time. Its just that we lack quality in major parts of the team, especially upfront.

 

 

The botom line is both spurs and blackburn were on terrible runs under the previous managers, they changed managers so the form changed.

 

I believe with a new manager we'd have new tactics, new formation and possibly different personale. Play 4-4-2. Right wingers on the right, left wingers on the left, a strong combative midfielder (Euell) in the middle, Saganowski up front alongside Mcgd, etc!

[Dalek2003]

If it is true, that JP has lost the dressing room he MUST go. RL acted swiftly to remove Sturrock for this reason and he must now do the same.

[St Landrew]

If it is true, that JP has lost the dressing room he MUST go. RL acted swiftly to remove Sturrock for this reason and he must now do the same.

 

As for losing the dressing room, I would love to see JP do what Phil Brown did with his Hull team the other day. Now that's bloody well inspired:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/match_of_the_day/7800708.stm

 

But they lost 5-1 to Man City, after losing 4-1 at home to Sunderland. Hull City are a team that are punching so far over their weight, they're in another category. Yet, PB was motivated to make them sit in front of their fans, while he gave them the hairdryer treatment. Sometimes, this stuff is what is required.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Oh how you and others laughed when i suggested Billy Davies as a replacement for Whiskey George. How very ironic.

You actually said "anyone would do better"

You were wrong.

[Snowballs2]

Lowe cannot afford NOT to sack Portaloo...we have a situation where if relegation happens financially we are done for, since, the gates in Div ! will be such as to make football unviable.

So why does he not understand this stark fact.

There is still enough games left to change the manager and to avoid relegation. I can only assume that Lowe and Wilde actually want Administration

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I hope you read my answer, because you certainly haven't moderated your stance in the slightest. Given the circumstances, what would you suggest then..?

 

Yes i did but have not change my view as you can tell.

 

I have stated what we i believe need earlier.

 

Bring in sensible loans,some young and some experienced to get

a blend required for this league, as i have said previously no one has ever (to the best of my knowledge)

been succesful by using the pretty system currently

being operated by JP, with any serious success.

 

Play good football of course,where possible but when it isn`t

as is most weeks in this division you have to be prepared to

alter style,approach and tactics something which Mr Portvliet has proven

an inability to do.

 

An experienced man at this level would mix old heads with youth to get the

blend required.

[Window Cleaner]

As for losing the dressing room, I would love to see JP do what Phil Brown did with his Hull team the other day. Now that's bloody well inspired:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/match_of_the_day/7800708.stm

 

But they lost 5-1 to Man City, after losing 4-1 at home to Sunderland. Hull City are a team that are punching so far over their weight, they're in another category. Yet, PB was motivated to make them sit in front of their fans, while he gave them the hairdryer treatment. Sometimes, this stuff is what is required.

 

 

But what difference did the public bollicking actually make??

Zero, Zilch, they still lost 5-1.

Hull have been punching above their weight, riding an unknown system. They'll be lucky to escape relegation. Brown is a zero who got lucky.

[St Landrew]

Yes i did but have not change my view as you can tell.

 

I have stated what we i believe need earlier.

 

Bring in sensible loans,some young and some experienced to get

a blend required for this league, as i have said previously no one has ever (to the best of my knowledge)

been succesful by using the pretty system currently

being operated by JP, with any serious success.

 

Play good football of course,where possible but when it isn`t

as is most weeks in this division you have to be prepared to

alter style,approach and tactics something which Mr Portvliet has proven

an inability to do.

 

An experienced man at this level would mix old heads with youth to get the

blend required.

 

Now that seems very sensible to me too, and it has been tried before, under Nigel Pearson. However, his blend of players almost totally eliminated the home-grown youngsters at Saints, preferring the established players. I agree, this could be a reasonable way out of the situation, but it isn't going to happen. Now please read this seriously because I don't want a to and fro debate on this.

 

1] The WHOLE setup at Saints is geared to the European way of football, i.e. the Georges Prost style. He started us down this track, and everything that has been decided by any RL led Board, recent past, or present has been further geared to that effect. For example, Clive Woodward..!

2] This is now so set in place, that there is nothing else to do. There is no other money to do anything else.

 

Do you see what I'm saying..? We can no longer afford to tinker, or make a managerial change. This club is set on a one way drive, and to divert it means we have to change the driver, that is the Board. Which means a wholesale change of policy; a takeover. And if that doesn't happen, we are either f****d or this experiment succeeds. I suppose we'd better hope it does.

[St Landrew]

But what difference did the public bollicking actually make??

Zero, Zilch, they still lost 5-1.

Hull have been punching above their weight, riding an unknown system. They'll be lucky to escape relegation. Brown is a zero who got lucky.

 

Sorry, but don't say stupid things like that. It cuts no ice at all. No zero gets that lucky. They may well require a change in system for next season, or even buy in some strength during January, but they haven't achieved what they have on luck.

[eelpie]

or buy a 20+ goal a season forward -oh yea can't afford one!:confused:

 

But we own three

[Window Cleaner]

Sorry, but don't say stupid things like that. It cuts no ice at all. No zero gets that lucky. They may well require a change in system for next season, or even buy in some strength during January, but they haven't achieved what they have on luck.

 

We shall see. That's the trouble with football managers, they rise to dizzy heights then coming crashing down in the blink of an eye. it's a risk business. I don't rate Hull.I'll say what I like about their manager.

[Window Cleaner]

But we own three

 

Who we can't afford. No point in owning a Ferrari if you can't afford to put petrol in it. Market is depressed so you can't sell it either.

[eelpie]

Well we now have a playing staff of 34 players on the books.

 

Whatever happened to Lowe's promise of a leaner economical team of around 28? WE could get rid of 6 useless players and bring back John or Saga. But I know Lowe will sell the more talented and leave us with a very sorry weak and demoralised squad.

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't see it that way though mate, Redknapp came in at Spurs, made no signings & won 8 out 11, Alladyce came in at Blackburn again no signings and is unbeaten in 3.

 

I realise there is a counter argument for this, but i'd just like to point out that a change can work without having to change the team/ make wholesale signings!

 

Redknapp has now not won in four games and was beaten 2-0 by West Brom?!!!

 

Blackburn conceded 2 goals in ten minutes...

 

There has been some research done that shows, overall, teams tend to get worse when appointing a new manager.

 

I wouldn't back against Spurs and Blackburn still going down...

 

There is often a 'flash in the pan' improvement. The improvements you see at Sunderland under Keane and Palace under Dowie are actually pretty rare when you analyse it.

 

 

That's not to say WE would not get better. But there are NO gaurantees.

[Window Cleaner]

Well we now have a playing staff of 34 players on the books.

 

Whatever happened to Lowe's promise of a leaner economical team of around 28? WE could get rid of 6 useless players and bring back John or Saga. But I know Lowe will sell the more talented and leave us with a very sorry weak and demoralised squad.

 

Isn't Saga coming back and will be available as from Thursday next?

True it's not by choice though.

I'm afraid that his return will send us into administration.