jjsaint Posted 13 June, 2016 Share Posted 13 June, 2016 Such a depressing situation. Orlando isn't far from my hometown although I don't know the club and nobody I know was near there. Time to repeal the Second Amendment full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 14 June, 2016 Share Posted 14 June, 2016 So far only Guardian make it their main story tomorrow. Shows how routine stuff is becoming over there even when has the Islamic angle And only half a dozen posts on TSW.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 June, 2016 Share Posted 14 June, 2016 And only half a dozen posts on TSW.... Its such a horrific event that there isnt much to to say that hasnt already been said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 15 June, 2016 Share Posted 15 June, 2016 A few statistics for you from a magazine article in December, 2015: - Since John Lennon was shot dead in NYC in December 1980, more than 1,150,000 Americans (civilians) have died in gun violence - Since 1968, more American civilians have been killed in gun violence than all the casualties of all the wars in US history - 90 Americans die every day in gun violence; that's about 33,000 per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 June, 2016 Share Posted 15 June, 2016 50 killed at shooting in the Orlando gay bar, with over 50 more injured. The killer is Omar Shateen. The father says his killing was not motivated by religion, but his anger at the fact a gay couple embraced each other in front of him. Perhaps not motivated by it but undeniably a factor. Imagine growing up gay in a Muslim family, knowing you would be outcast if your family knew your true feelings. Believing you are some sort of crime against God, for which many countries still apply capital punishment. No wonder this guy was a weirdo and an outcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 June, 2016 Share Posted 15 June, 2016 Perhaps not motivated by it but undeniably a factor. Imagine growing up gay in a Muslim family, knowing you would be outcast if your family knew your true feelings. Believing you are some sort of crime against God, for which many countries still apply capital punishment. No wonder this guy was a weirdo and an outcast. This. You can't ignore the fact that killing gays IS the law in some Muslim countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 June, 2016 Share Posted 17 June, 2016 http://news.sky.com/story/1713504/teen-shooting-deaths-the-latest-orlando-tragedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 17 June, 2016 Share Posted 17 June, 2016 Its such a horrific event that there isnt much to to say that hasnt already been said And sadly repeated all too frequently to the extent that these stories do not come as a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Police shooting people dead during routine traffic stops, murdering people in the street on camera, people shooting police in revenge attacks.... But it's nothing to do with the relaxed gun laws over there. In fact the country would be a much safer place if everybody carried a gun. America's obsession with guns and pointing them at people during the most routine of situations is disturbing and it's no surprise things go wrong so often. The lack of intelligence over the whole situation is baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Mass sniper shooting of police at a protest in Dallas going on at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Well what a surprise, a demo against Police shooting blacks turns into a shoot-out. Guess their plod have figured out what happens if you go round shooting people in a country where you can buy assault rifles over the counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 It's all kicking off in Dallas this morning as a protest against murderous police violence directed against America's black population has suddenly turned into a vicious firefight. Five US Police officers have been shot dead and 6 more have been wounded by sniper fire. A deadly nexus of social media agitation, unchecked police brutally and a politcal system that seems utterly incapable of introducing any meaningful gun-control measures seems to be steering the USA towards a ever more violent future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 It's all kicking off in Dallas this morning as a protest against murderous police violence directed against America's black population has suddenly turned into a vicious firefight. Five US Police officers have been shot dead and 6 more have been wounded by sniper fire. A deadly nexus of social media agitation, unchecked police brutally and a politcal system that seems utterly incapable of introducing any meaningful gun-control measures seems to be steering the USA towards a ever more violent future. I'd also add to that a vile economic system and some of the most toxic neoconservative pressure groups in the world. But hey, Brexit supporters want the UK to be more like America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 By Trump's logic that he applies to any shootings in Europe why aren't the public shooting back and taking out these snipers? Only I can sort out ISIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 The was even a man open carrying an assault rifle at the protest. He was named as a suspect initially then turned himself in and was later released without charge, so clearly innocent but surely that's the sort of person Trump and others expect to leap into action to stop this from happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 The was even a man open carrying an assault rifle at the protest. He was named as a suspect initially then turned himself in and was later released without charge, so clearly innocent but surely that's the sort of person Trump and others expect to leap into action to stop this from happening? I think that he was making a point about the open carry law,; but to be a coloured man walking around with a semi-automatic rifle like that strikes me as suicidal. Apparently there were witnesses telling Police he had been one of the shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 (edited) It's Friday, ho hum, nothing new stateside yet again. Move on folks, all these gun related deaths have nothing to do with guns. On a side note, how weird was that woman live streaming her fiance's dying moments. After the event, she said the police denied her the opportunity to speak to him one last time.....er, how about when you were filming him!!! He wasn't going anywhere!! Edited 8 July, 2016 by Ohio Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 11 July, 2016 Share Posted 11 July, 2016 Interesting watch http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c1_1468217965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 13 July, 2016 Share Posted 13 July, 2016 (edited) Edit. Edited 13 July, 2016 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 14 July, 2016 Share Posted 14 July, 2016 Now that I live in USA I have been wondering what you do if you think a crazed cop is going to shoot you, and you have a gun. Your only option is to shoot them before they kill you what happens? Now I know the answer they blow you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 14 July, 2016 Share Posted 14 July, 2016 Now that I live in USA I have been wondering what you do if you think a crazed cop is going to shoot you, and you have a gun. Your only option is to shoot them before they kill you what happens? Now I know the answer they blow you up. Surely that's progress against the war on guns, no...???? If you have a gun now - we are going to come at you with something bigger. Never mind gun control, bollux to it. Check it out - how to fight guns....., easy, bigger guns...!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36778374 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 More police shot today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 More police shot today... The pro gun argument here is usually that all it needs is for the potential victims to be armed.....If only the police here were armed...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 The pro gun argument here is usually that all it needs is for the potential victims to be armed.....If only the police here were armed...... Good point. Apparently what is really needed now is for the "good guys" to not only to be armed, but to be BETTER armed than the "bad guys". Thetefore, before very long I suspect that the NRA will be advising that police departments should employ Bazookas and helicopter gunships in their road policing efforts. That would clearly make much more sense than attempting to introduce any meaningful gun-control legislation. Remember, do it to them before they do it to you ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 21 July, 2016 Share Posted 21 July, 2016 FFS just saw this on C4 News. Fcked up country. Care worker trying to talk round an autistic chap with a toy truck. Yeah let's shoot him http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/unarmed-care-worker-charles-kinsey-shot-by-us-police-while-calming-autistic-patient-miami-gun-latest-a7148216.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 21 July, 2016 Share Posted 21 July, 2016 FFS just saw this on C4 News. Fcked up country. Care worker trying to talk round an autistic chap with a toy truck. Yeah let's shoot him http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/unarmed-care-worker-charles-kinsey-shot-by-us-police-while-calming-autistic-patient-miami-gun-latest-a7148216.html There's a video interview with the victim in which he says he asked the Policeman why he had been shot, the reply was "I don't know". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36861794 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 July, 2016 Share Posted 21 July, 2016 Lyin' Ted stitching up Trump was pure theatre. Vote your conscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 22 July, 2016 Share Posted 22 July, 2016 Lyin' Ted stitching up Trump was pure theatre. Vote your conscience. I'm afraid that it's going to take an almighty push by the Hilary campaign to de-rail the Trump juggernaut. Next week is the Dem convention and I hope they've got some trump cards up their sleeve, get tough and call him out successfully enough to convince the electorate....and don't stop until November, because so far, they've failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 22 July, 2016 Share Posted 22 July, 2016 There's a video interview with the victim in which he says he asked the Policeman why he had been shot, the reply was "I don't know". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36861794 What annoys me more about this is the need to bring colour into the news. The policeman shot the guy for no reason - he said so himself. There is no mention of colour at all. "Why did you shoot me?" "I don't know" Absolutely no need for the news article to mention colour at all, completely unnecessary - you can see the guy is black. All the headline does is stir up the wrong kind of emotions which is part of the problem. Edit: Apologies, I quoted the wrong one - I was referencing the Independent news article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 July, 2016 Share Posted 22 July, 2016 FFS just saw this on C4 News. Fcked up country. Care worker trying to talk round an autistic chap with a toy truck. Yeah let's shoot him http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/unarmed-care-worker-charles-kinsey-shot-by-us-police-while-calming-autistic-patient-miami-gun-latest-a7148216.html There's a video interview with the victim in which he says he asked the Policeman why he had been shot, the reply was "I don't know". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36861794 I think it's now got to the stage where both the public, and the police, are actually thinking 'Kill or be killed', no matter what the situation. Their total acceptance and reliance on guns to 'solve' even the most minor of disturbances is, if it weren't so tragic, almost laughable. As usual, it's the innocents that suffer, but that won't stop them carrying their guns, no siree. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/father-shoots-son-dead-in-freak-accident-at-firing-range-but-vows-his-attitude-to-guns-wont-change-a3287981.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 July, 2016 Share Posted 22 July, 2016 I'm afraid that it's going to take an almighty push by the Hilary campaign to de-rail the Trump juggernaut. Next week is the Dem convention and I hope they've got some trump cards up their sleeve, get tough and call him out successfully enough to convince the electorate....and don't stop until November, because so far, they've failed. Yeah, I'm getting very worried. For anyone who is undecided but could be leaning right, he gave an excellent speech that could help swing things even more. Content just doesn't matter as much as how often you strike a Mussolini pose for the cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 22 July, 2016 Share Posted 22 July, 2016 Yeah, I'm getting very worried. For anyone who is undecided but could be leaning right, he gave an excellent speech that could help swing things even more. Content just doesn't matter as much as how often you strike a Mussolini pose for the cameras. Funnily enough the comparision between Trump and Mussolini struck me some time ago. The posturing, the mannerisms, the same inability to think issues through. Add weird hair and a ghastly 'trophy wife' and they could be brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Funnily enough the comparision between Trump and Mussolini struck me some time ago. The posturing, the mannerisms, the same inability to think issues through. Add weird hair and a ghastly 'trophy wife' and they could be brothers. It reminded me more of Fidel Castro but it was a good speech. Though he didn't explain much of how he's going to realise those promises... Speaking of a ghastly 'trophy wife'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 It reminded me more of Fidel Castro but it was a good speech. Though he didn't explain much of how he's going to realise those promises... Speaking of a ghastly 'trophy wife'... She's more of a consolation prize wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Funnily enough the comparision between Trump and Mussolini struck me some time ago. The posturing, the mannerisms, the same inability to think issues through. Add weird hair and a ghastly 'trophy wife' and they could be brothers. Don't forget the striking similarities in political rhetoric and actual policy pronouncements. It's both alarming and fascinating to see a real live fascist competing for political power and being so close to it. It's like the 1930s never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Don't forget the striking similarities in political rhetoric and actual policy pronouncements. It's both alarming and fascinating to see a real live fascist competing for political power and being so close to it. It's like the 1930s never happened. I don't trust Trump either but to me he comes across as far less dangerous to the world than the Clintons, Bushes, Kissingers and the real powers behind them. Though you may ask how Trump became that filthy rich, it's clear that he gets no financial support from the usual suspects while Clintons campaign funds are overflowing and we all know that nothing comes for free right? Trump is independent and I would like to see him deal with the 'rigged system' he was talking about in his speech, the system that controls this world far too much. I would have liked to see him do that alongside another independent mind like Bernie Saunders, too bad such a collaboration is many bridges too far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Mafia Don's tactics are those of the playground bully. Keep using a slur like 'Mafia Don' all the time and it will eventually stick and all the kids will think that Mafia Don actually has ties to the underworld, no burden of proof needed. Sure, politics is a nasty business, but to fool so many people by acting like a 12 year old? Mafia Don is truly excelling at it. I don't want the country to be run by a 12 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Interesting item on the BBC website today. Its basically about how Trump is drawing support from traditional blue collar Democrats and alienating traditional die hard Republicans simultaneously. Its basically the same story as that behind the EU referendum - a lot of people feel alienated and that they are trapped in low wage jobs with no prospects so they're voting for change, even though they aren't sure what that change will bring. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36883729 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Mafia Don's tactics are those of the playground bully. Keep using a slur like 'Mafia Don' all the time and it will eventually stick and all the kids will think that Mafia Don actually has ties to the underworld, no burden of proof needed. Sure, politics is a nasty business, but to fool so many people by acting like a 12 year old? Mafia Don is truly excelling at it. I don't want the country to be run by a 12 year old. For a 12-year old Trump is saying some harsh truths about the deplorable state of the US after so many years of Bushes and Clintons and the likes of them. Surely that's not a guarantee he's going to put his money where his mouth is but on the other side, you know Clinton won't change anything for the better so why would you like to stay on a road going nowhere? As a Dutchman I'm more concerned about the way the US has acted and is acting in the Middle East and North Africa, the result of the policies of the Bushes and Clinton as Secretary of State are devastating for European citizens. If Hillary have her way we're facing another stand-off with Putin and really, Europe does have enough problems already thanks to her. Problems for which we don't even have the beginning of a solution so I hope you don't mind that I keep my fingers crossed and hope she won't be the next President. Putin said his FSB will publish the mails from Hillary to show what kind of monster she is and hopefully this will be something good. I know, Putin is a rotten chap also but as you say, politics is a nasty business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Interesting item on the BBC website today. Its basically about how Trump is drawing support from traditional blue collar Democrats and alienating traditional die hard Republicans simultaneously. Its basically the same story as that behind the EU referendum - a lot of people feel alienated and that they are trapped in low wage jobs with no prospects so they're voting for change, even though they aren't sure what that change will bring. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36883729 And no need to worry about facts and experts it's all about feelings. John Oliver on Newt Gingrich (about 14mins in) https://youtu.be/Dsw1vUpc6Ug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 For a 12-year old Trump is saying some harsh truths about the deplorable state of the US after so many years of Bushes and Clintons and the likes of them. Surely that's not a guarantee he's going to put his money where his mouth is but on the other side, you know Clinton won't change anything for the better so why would you like to stay on a road going nowhere? As a Dutchman I'm more concerned about the way the US has acted and is acting in the Middle East and North Africa, the result of the policies of the Bushes and Clinton as Secretary of State are devastating for European citizens. If Hillary have her way we're facing another stand-off with Putin and really, Europe does have enough problems already thanks to her. Problems for which we don't even have the beginning of a solution so I hope you don't mind that I keep my fingers crossed and hope she won't be the next President. Putin said his FSB will publish the mails from Hillary to show what kind of monster she is and hopefully this will be something good. I know, Putin is a rotten chap also but as you say, politics is a nasty business. Bolded point 1- Trump has not actually said anything at all yet aside from "Believe me" (He says that an awful lot) and everything is rotten, I will do it better (Believe me) Bolded point 2 - I don't know this. I can doubt it, sure, but I don't know it. For the record, I would have voted for Bernie without a qualm. Trump has said he would do plenty (Believe me) but has offered absolutely no clue as to how he will achieve anything without the support of the majority in congress. Bolded point 3 - Putin, yes....We should base our vote on whatever Putin has to say about it.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 And no need to worry about facts and experts it's all about feelings. John Oliver on Newt Gingrich (about 14mins in) https://youtu.be/Dsw1vUpc6Ug The worst part is - Gingrich is right. Uninformed feelings trump (sic) reality. Is this pandering to feelings instead of trying to persuade people of the truth new? Seems to me as though it is but maybe thats just a feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Bolded point 1- Trump has not actually said anything at all yet aside from "Believe me" (He says that an awful lot) and everything is rotten, I will do it better (Believe me) Bolded point 2 - I don't know this. I can doubt it, sure, but I don't know it. For the record, I would have voted for Bernie without a qualm. Trump has said he would do plenty (Believe me) but has offered absolutely no clue as to how he will achieve anything without the support of the majority in congress. Bolded point 3 - Putin, yes....We should base our vote on whatever Putin has to say about it.? Bolded point 1: I was referring to his remarks about things like the national debt (19 trillion dollars? ) infrastructure and education system. Surely you will agree these things are a mess in the US? Bolded point 2: We've seen the "change" from Obama, if there's any little sign, however small, that Clinton is really going to change things then, please let me know. I can only agree of course that Trump doesn't explain how he will achieve his goals, is Clinton doing any better and does it sound credible to you? Bolded point 3: No, I'm just hoping the FSB will give some credible information on Clinton which will make sure you can't even vote for Hillary as she won't be there anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Bolded point 1: I was referring to his remarks about things like the national debt (19 trillion dollars? ) infrastructure and education system. Surely you will agree these things are a mess in the US? Bolded point 2: We've seen the "change" from Obama, if there's any little sign, however small, that Clinton is really going to change things then, please let me know. I can only agree of course that Trump doesn't explain how he will achieve his goals, is Clinton doing any better and does it sound credible to you? Bolded point 3: No, I'm just hoping the FSB will give some credible information on Clinton which will make sure you can't even vote for Hillary as she won't be there anymore... Point 1. Trump talks about those things, and claims he will fix them without any mention of how he might do this apart from being awesome. Point 2 . Yes, a republican dominated congress makes things a lot harder to implement change. The Dems need a swing in congress and the Supreme court to avoid any further damage by the GOP Point 3. Putin....You are looking for support from Putin. Beware of your bedfellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Point 1. Trump talks about those things, and claims he will fix them without any mention of how he might do this apart from being awesome. Point 2 . Yes, a republican dominated congress makes things a lot harder to implement change. The Dems need a swing in congress and the Supreme court to avoid any further damage by the GOP Point 3. Putin....You are looking for support from Putin. Beware of your bedfellows. Point 1: I know, politicians usually lie so what else is new? Point 2: So you agree there's not much chance of Clinton changing things... Point 3: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 26 July, 2016 Share Posted 26 July, 2016 Further on point 2. Actually Trump needs something to happen in congress too, as he does NOT have the support of his own party there. Congress will be a problem for both candidates regarding making any change without an executive order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Further on point 2. Actually Trump needs something to happen in congress too, as he does NOT have the support of his own party there. Congress will be a problem for both candidates regarding making any change without an executive order. So, it's a deadlock situation for both Clinton and Trump on domestic affairs? All the more reason to look at the foreign policy of the US which brought nothing but trouble with Hillary as Secretary of State... Btw, what's your opinion on Bernie Sanders now? During his entire campaign he was calling Hillary 'a corrupt and bought out corporist', now he is endorsing her... Just politics? Would you rather vote for this corrupt and bought out corporist with an agenda written by people who are really in control than you would vote for the '12-year old kid' who appears to be a free agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 I would certainly not vote for anyone who would undo the the first step to seeing universal health care and going back to a situation where you can't get health insurance if you are sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 I can understand that Ohio Saint, too bad there are no others to choose from in the States. Then again, in the Netherlands we have around 15 political parties we can choose from for the general elections so the government is always a mix from those parties who need to make compromises. So, in the end a lot of the promises during campaign time are broken as soon as they start to govern... Currently the Dutch government exists of the Dutch equivalent of the Democrate and Republican parties in the US (or the Tories and Labour in the UK), imagine how much they had to compromise... Yet, a government with both Republicans and Democrats in it might be a better thing in your country as there would be less party clutter, maybe then they would actually achieve something in the US... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 We would certainly benefit from having a third party. Not only to force more compromise in policy decisions, but also to unlock the deadlock in congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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