Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Tadic has clearly suffered from a big dip in form so the obvious course of action is to rest him for a game or two rather than hope for him to play himself back to form and all the consequences that could bring. Why this has turned into a Tadic v Lallana debate is f*cking ridiculous. Imo it's good to see Ronald being proactive in sorting an obvious problem rather than risking it will correct itself. Perhaps the solution was to rest him before he suffered a serious dip in form, I thought we had people who watched over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I trust the manager to make the best decision, he is very experienced at the highest level and a true professional. He knows the player and the conditions that have led to this. Looking forward to having Tadic back refreshed and in good form again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Yep lets pick on a player who has rightly won plenty of plaudits from media and other commentators for his skill and contribution, who cost half what AL was sold for and regularly plays more minutes than AL did. If RK thinks he needs a break, which many on here have suggested, why the feck does anyone want to question it? His 'skill ' and 'contribution' for several weeks has been very poor indeed... Why people continually praise players for poor performance is beyond me. If a player plays well he should recognised as such. However you dilute your opinion by praising when obviously he has been way off the pace for a good while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 His 'skill ' and 'contribution' for several weeks has been very poor indeed... Why people continually praise players for poor performance is beyond me. If a player plays well he should recognised as such. However you dilute your opinion by praising when obviously he has been way off the pace for a good while... I haven't seen anyone praise him recently, I think most on here are shrewd enough to realise that Tadic is a quality player from his earlier displays but right now it is not happening. Whats your problem with that?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Very poor IMO, yes he has played a lot of games but then so have plenty of other players in the league, including those who play more games in Europe. I don't understand how we can afford to give players a break with the number of injuries and suspensions we have at the moment. Are all your physio/coaching certificates framed up on your bedroom wall next to your One Direction poster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Master stroke by Ronald I'd say:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Got to say that based on today a rest for Tadic & Wanyama might sharpen them up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Very poor IMO, yes he has played a lot of games but then so have plenty of other players in the league, including those who play more games in Europe. I don't understand how we can afford to give players a break with the number of injuries and suspensions we have at the moment. Have they though? Really? How many players in this league have played every league and cup game AND every game for their country (meaning no rest during international break) and still maintained a high level of form? I think you'll find that most players either; Dont play during international breaks, getting a rest there. Get rested in cup games. Play for a big enough team that they can rotate their squad in the league without affecting performance. We're in the strange situation of having a first team that all bar one start for their countries, so have not had a moments rest all season. That's why we've seen a dip in performance and that's why the likes of Morgan, Victor and Tadic will look back to their best after a short break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I don't understand how we can afford to give players a break with the number of injuries and suspensions we have at the moment. Any closer to understanding now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Got to say that based on today a rest for Tadic & Wanyama might sharpen them up Sometimes it's mental sharpness that's needed as much as physical. This is a busy period and we need to harvest our resources carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Very poor IMO, yes he has played a lot of games but then so have plenty of other players in the league, including those who play more games in Europe. I don't understand how we can afford to give players a break with the number of injuries and suspensions we have at the moment. It's not poor at all, everyone has said he looks knackered and been asking for him to be rested. He was rested and we won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 More than he is new to the prem he will more than repay RKs faith in him win win if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Any closer to understanding now? Yea, I guess we don't need him at all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Apologies if covered, but saw this earlier: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/24/premier-league-10-talking-points-weekend-action?CMP=share_btn_tw 10) Saints suffer lack of creativity without Tadic Southampton were crying out for a creative spark, as their fixture at Watford ticked towards its inevitable 0-0 conclusion and the thought occurred that Ronald Koeman had Dusan Tadic among his substitutes. Was the attacking midfielder, who was a revelation when he joined Southampton last season, not worth a whirl? Koeman, though, revealed that Tadic was not fully fit. The manner in which the 26-year-old struggled with a groin problem in the final months of the previous campaign is well documented but it was supposed to have cleared up. Not so, according to Koeman, who said that Tadic was feeling “more tired than normal” and blood tests had shown that something was not right. Tadic came off at half-time in the 3-0 home defeat by Everton on the Saturday before last and he was an unused substitute against both Midtjylland in the Europa League last Thursday and Watford. “Dusan was working hard the whole summer … still he had some groin problems and it was looking good at the start of the season,” Koeman said. “But after that, he was more tired than normal. There was something in his blood and that was maybe the reason why he was a little more tired than normal. We have to recover Dusan, so that he can come back on his level.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Apologies if covered, but saw this earlier: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/24/premier-league-10-talking-points-weekend-action?CMP=share_btn_tw Tired, disinterested, not good enough or what ever he's way off the pace and has been for a very long period.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Tired, disinterested, not good enough or what ever he's way off the pace and has been for a very long period.... Sounds like a medical as opposed to a mental issue. Hope they sort it as an in form Tadic is what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 On reading that my first thought was of the Danny Wallace situation where at United he had flashes of brilliance in the odd games that he had with us on a regular basis, but went missing with niggling injuries and fatigue more often than not, and it wasn't until much further down the track that he was diagnosed with MS. On the cover of the Everton programme he was stood there with the heading: I'm fit again - Tadic - and back to my best. As we know he got subbed at half-time having been pretty inert and robbed of the ball so many times in the first half. Sadly the Premier League is no place for passengers, Steven Davies and JWP operate under the radar in games to allow players with the footballing gifts that Dusan has to sparkle; not to be further under the radar than SD & JWP as is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Tired, disinterested, not good enough or what ever he's way off the pace and has been for a very long period.... Harsh. If he is still suffering with physical problem that is hardly his fault is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 On reading that my first thought was of the Danny Wallace situation where at United he had flashes of brilliance in the odd games that he had with us on a regular basis, but went missing with niggling injuries and fatigue more often than not, and it wasn't until much further down the track that he was diagnosed with MS. Jesus, I hope its not something like that, or cancer. Something in his bloodwork sounds worrying though. Not very discreet of Koeman to mention it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Our wide options are just not very good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Tired, disinterested, not good enough or what ever he's way off the pace and has been for a very long period.... I assume you missed the bit about something showing up in his blood tests. We can only hope it's nothing serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Hopefully Ron wouldn't have mentioned it if it had been something like that. Bit of a difference between a groin strain and blood abnormality though. Just hope he is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 If there's something showing up in his blood that isn't right, then this isn't about football anymore. I remember when Petrov at Villa had similar issues and had a blood test, that was pretty horrendous for him. I really hope it's nothing bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 (edited) If there's something showing up in his blood that isn't right, then this isn't about football anymore. I remember when Petrov at Villa had similar issues and had a blood test, that was pretty horrendous for him. I really hope it's nothing bad. We'll see but I'm sure we run blood tests for all kinds of routine reasons. Nothing needs to be seriously wrong or out of whack to decide to rest a player given how focussed we are on small margins. He was still on the bench, after all. Hopefully it's just that. Edited 24 August, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 It could be something fairly minor, but the fact that it's been mentioned is hopefully a good sign. If it's something like glandular fever he could be out a bit depending on how bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 I hope he's well soon whatever it is. While football isn't important if it's something bad, the club do still need to act and replace him if he's injured or unwell. He's a vital player as no one else is that creative. Ramirez has endless injury problems too, we need someone. Might be a bit ruthless to worry about it but the club must be aware even if it's j St Tadic being off form, that the team is pretty dire going forward without him. If there was an issue why have him on the bench? Would have made more sense to have had Gaston there is there was no way Tadic was actually going to play. Hope Tadic is OK by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint97 Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 The Guardian report that Tadic isn't fully fit and has had blood tests which have revealed that something isn't right. http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/24/premier-league-10-talking-points-weekend-action?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 if he was on the bench, nothing too bad can be wrong or have been found (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Hope his blood issue isn't anything too concerning or serious, but it should be put before football. Explains the limited playing time. It'd be good to see Dušan back to his best soon, but not worth taking risks with really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Tadic has proved he can perform at this level and his drop in form is odd. We need him back and firing on all cylinders asap. If he is not right he needs to be looked after and I am sure he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Tadic has proved he can perform at this level and his drop in form is odd. We need him back and firing on all cylinders asap. If he is not right he needs to be looked after and I am sure he will be. No he hasn't shown anything. Three months is no sort of track-record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 No he hasn't shown anything. Three months is no sort of track-record. Agreed, let's continue to slag him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Agreed, let's continue to slag him off. Yeah, what a w&nker he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 I assume you missed the bit about something showing up in his blood tests. We can only hope it's nothing serious. Yeesh, they run blood tests all the time and the club has given out information plenty of times about the fact that often players are rested if they've got signs of a virus that they're not even aware of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 The club does this stuff all the time, he's probably got a cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Agreed, let's continue to slag him off. Who said we should slag him off? His form is too short to conclude that he's our creative spark or better than 2013/14 vintage Lallana (though some clowns have done just that); its just as ridiculous as calling him a complete bust. Jury's still out, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 if he was on the bench, nothing too bad can be wrong or have been found (yet) I very much doubt they would release this sort of information to the public if it was something potentially serious. Most likely just a virus of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Hope he gets well soon, On a different subject Mane yesterday " f**k this team i'm off to united " that's why he went off lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 (edited) Didn't Tadić get more assists in that three-month period than Lallana did in the whole season prior to his move to Liverpool? Fairly sure I've seen that stat a few times. Not saying he's better or worse, but he obviously has the ability to be on that level (or better) on his day. Let's hope he can get back to that soon. Edited 24 August, 2015 by Saint-Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Who said we should slag him off? His form is too short to conclude that he's our creative spark or better than 2013/14 vintage Lallana (though some clowns have done just that); its just as ridiculous as calling him a complete bust. Jury's still out, that's all. Maybe your jury is still out, but I still maintain that he has shown that he has plenty of Premiership quality and I for one am not going to diss him just because he lost his form when clearly carrying an injury. How many great seasons did Lallana have by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Surely it is time to to Gaston Ramirez another shot, maybe in the European game as this is less important than the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Surely it is time to to Gaston Ramirez another shot no f**king way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Didn't Tadić get more assists in that three-month period than Lallana did in the whole season prior to his move to Liverpool? Fairly sure I've seen that stat a few times. Not saying he's better or worse, but he obviously has the ability to be on that level (or better) on his day. Let's hope he can get back to that soon. Tadic got 9 assists and 4 goals last season, Lallana's last season with us he got 9 and 9, which is the level you need to play as a number 10. For Tadic to have done what he did last season despite spending most of the second half carrying an injury, in his first PL season, was impressive. Lallana last season dropped to his normal level (5 goals and 3 assists, lots of lovely turns but **** all end product) and the stats so far suggest his final season with us was a one off fluke. We certainly did well to get the sort of money we did for him. A fully fit Tadic playing at number 10 will prove to be a far superior player to Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Maybe your jury is still out, but I still maintain that he has shown that he has plenty of Premiership quality and I for one am not going to diss him just because he lost his form when clearly carrying an injury. How many great seasons did Lallana have by the way? His dip in form predated his injury; either way, I've been looking forward to see what he can do this season, with a full summer break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 I guess his reluctance to shoot and awful right foot were going to get noticed after a while. And yet he is played on the right... Koeman is to blame for him going off the boil. Regularly played out of position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Did it? He had the injury for some time, how do you know when it started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Surely it is time to to Gaston Ramirez another shot, maybe in the European game as this is less important than the PL. Good call, on the bench at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Tadic got 9 assists and 4 goals last season, Lallana's last season with us he got 9 and 9, which is the level you need to play as a number 10. For Tadic to have done what he did last season despite spending most of the second half carrying an injury, in his first PL season, was impressive. Lallana last season dropped to his normal level (5 goals and 3 assists, lots of lovely turns but **** all end product) and the stats so far suggest his final season with us was a one off fluke. We certainly did well to get the sort of money we did for him. A fully fit Tadic playing at number 10 will prove to be a far superior player to Lallana. Tadic took (and missed) penalties and got four assists in a meaningless game (in terms of points contribution and consistency). Lallana also missed large parts of last season. We got an excellent fee for Lallana; he's nowhere near a £25m player (something for which I was criticised at the time for saying). But Lallana isn't really the point. Tadic's 2/3 months of good form is too short to draw any kind of conclusions, especially as teams begin to game-plan for you at some point. It's how a player responds to the extra attention that marks out whether their performances are sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Surely it is time to to Gaston Ramirez another shot, maybe in the European game as this is less important than the PL. Well, he's not made the U-21's squad that's playing this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Hope he is ok at his best when he first joined he was outstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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