Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Very poor IMO, yes he has played a lot of games but then so have plenty of other players in the league, including those who play more games in Europe. I don't understand how we can afford to give players a break with the number of injuries and suspensions we have at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Good he is, but not as good as Lallana so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Good he is, but not as good as Lallana so far Rubbish. Still has more assists than lallana in his best ever season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Personally think Lallana is a better player in that he has more goals in him than Tadic at PL level and takes up better positions in and around the box (at least did for us). Tadic has one league goal (in the Sunderland win), and really for someone in that position and with that ability it isn't enough. He tends to do well when the team is on top but aside from the assist for Clyne at Liverpool I can't think of a game changing moment from Tadic. He has also made little impact away from home apart from Liverpool away and Arsenal in the cup. He is a very good player but like the team as a whole was probably overhyped after the first 10 games. Regarding the tiredness. I think from what Koeman said its more he has a few knocks and isnt able to be at his best. The timing is very bad but if we had any kind of squad depth in that position we could cover it. But we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 What a fanny. At a time when we are stretched like a wizards sleeve this big girls blouse is too tired. Give me strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Rubbish. Still has more assists than lallana in his best ever season. All well and good when it comes in one game Lallana was very good for nearly all of a season and worked very hard and was in the PFA team of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 All well and good when it comes in one game Lallana was very good for nearly all of a season and worked very hard and was in the PFA team of the year This. Take out the four from Sunderland and his record is average. Stats aren't everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Odd that there's a reaction to this, I've read loads of comments after matches saying that Tadic looks like he needs a rest. Lallana was never a very consistent performer either and also was known for getting worn out too often, so we still need the full season to decide. When Tadic was on form, the consensus was that he was an upgrade on Lallana, but his off-form patch has probably seen him have considerably less effect. Like I questioned on another thread, the real question is whether or not our players were on unusually good form at the start, and this is their real level, or whether they are having unusually bad form now and they actually are as good as they looked early season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Hark at the bedwetters from the summer piping up again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Hark at the bedwetters from the summer piping up again! Not from me. I think we will be fine for a top 10 finish (no chance of Europe) and have a good squad Just poor luck that we have hit the run of injuries and suspensions at the same time Just that some suggested we have a better side now than last season. Never been quite sure of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 He definitely does need a rest. Hasnt been as good in the last 7 or 8 games as in the first 7 or 8. If we get him back for Palace or Chelsea in that kind of form then its well worth it IMO. Re Lallana he often came off before the end but maybe that was good management because he rarely missed a game and was consistent enough to be voted by fellow pros into the team of the year ahead of the likes of Silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Hark at the bedwetters from the summer piping up again! I've posted consistently throughout the season you sad old ball sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I've posted consistently throughout the season you sad old ball sack True, you've consistently wet the bed since may without let up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Yep lets pick on a player who has rightly won plenty of plaudits from media and other commentators for his skill and contribution, who cost half what AL was sold for and regularly plays more minutes than AL did. If RK thinks he needs a break, which many on here have suggested, why the feck does anyone want to question it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 It's time to grind out results. Time to dig in. I have maintained all along that consolidation is the aim this season. We need another 5 wins to pass the 40 point mark and then start building up the squad for next season. If we have luck on our side today three points would be a very timely boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Its not merely "tiredness", as Koeman says he has been playing for a long time with small niggles, which if we had a bigger squad he would have been given time to get over it. Its all now catching up with him and making him fatigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Yep lets pick on a player who has rightly won plenty of plaudits from media and other commentators for his skill and contribution, who cost half what AL was sold for and regularly plays more minutes than AL did. If RK thinks he needs a break, which many on here have suggested, why the feck does anyone want to question it? It's not picking on a player, it's a question around players being rested in a period when we are thread bare. In addition, it's not a unique situation for Tadic, there are plenty of players around the country who play week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 What a fanny. At a time when we are stretched like a wizards sleeve this big girls blouse is too tired. Give me strength. Very insightful. With "supporters" like you the team can only go from strength to strength. Are you suggesting perhaps that the dressing room corridor should have beds rather than bikes for the pre-match nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFCRedandWhite Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Typical 'Sunday league' players not accepting that tiredness does exist in professional football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I've posted consistently throughout the season you sad old ball sack You went quiet for three months, piping up again lately I see. Where is your 'Wreck it Ralph' avatar? Why haven't you kept that 'consistently'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Nothing like a good player slagging to get the matchday under way... Only like the player when he is brilliant...otherwise he`s s hit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 At the end of the day it's RK's call. It's a long season. I'm looking forward to see some of the younger players today. Please RK no Mayuka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Perhaps we needed to give the chap a break and get someone in to carry his mysterious cool box, must have sh@gged the poor dear out lugging that around everywhere. The intensity of the PL isn't for everyone, that's why there are so many high priced players who are just so so and return to doing great things when they return to Italy or Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2014 You went quiet for three months, piping up again lately I see. Where is your 'Wreck it Ralph' avatar? Why haven't you kept that 'consistently'? Just focus on the forum and the topics at hand, not the history of my posts and avatars. It's pretty weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Its not merely "tiredness", as Koeman says he has been playing for a long time with small niggles, which if we had a bigger squad he would have been given time to get over it. Its all now catching up with him and making him fatigued. This. Its more about managing general 'wear and tear' than the tabloid "tiredness" spin on Koeman's comments at the press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Just focus on the forum and the topics at hand, not the history of my posts and avatars. It's pretty weird. What's 'weird' is going to ground when we're doing well and piping up after a poor run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I've posted consistently throughout the season you sad old ball sack I'm sad enough to have counted your posts over the last 6 months.... June - 78 posts July - 240 posts August - 72 posts Sept - 28 posts Oct - 23 posts Nov - 8 posts Dec - 31 posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Yep lets pick on a player who has rightly won plenty of plaudits from media and other commentators for his skill and contribution, who cost half what AL was sold for and regularly plays more minutes than AL did. If RK thinks he needs a break, which many on here have suggested, why the feck does anyone want to question it? Go Bucks Saint!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I'm sad enough to have counted your posts over the last 6 months.... June - 78 posts July - 240 posts August - 72 posts Sept - 28 posts Oct - 23 posts Nov - 8 posts Dec - 31 posts That really is sad. Of course there is nothing which goes on outside of Saints and this forum which contributes towards less posts is there? In addition, a lot of people were posting around July, a busy time with a players in and out and a new manager. Anyway, this thread is about Tadic, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Of course there is nothing which goes on outside of Saints and this forum which contributes towards less posts is there? Fret ye not. I'm working on a graph of 'posts vs Saints results' to see if there's any pattern.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 It's not picking on a player, it's a question around players being rested in a period when we are thread bare. In addition, it's not a unique situation for Tadic, there are plenty of players around the country who play week in week out. RK thinks he needs to not play (for rest, rotation, slight strain, whatever). RK clearly rates him as one of our best players but still thinks, despite injuries and absences, that Tadic needs to be left out. Not enough reason for some clearly. Costa struggles to train all week, according to JM. Falcao only fit enough for 20 minutes. Far from unique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Players are treated like thoroughbread race horses, trained and conditioned like them and as such it's not about being a lightweight more like a being managed effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Fret ye not. I'm working on a graph of 'posts vs Saints results' to see if there's any pattern.... Well do it for everyone including yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Well do it for everyone including yourself! I can't find a piece of paper big enough for my graph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Fret ye not. I'm working on a graph of 'posts vs Saints results' to see if there's any pattern.... :toppa: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 It's called squad rotation no one would bat an eyelid if one of the big boys rested a player or two. Would people rather a tired, carrying niggly injuries, mental not at the races Tadic on the pitch playing at 50% effort game after game for the rest of the season or would it be better to give him a bit of a rest for a couple of games so he can come back the player he was earlier this season. Our squad is small (I believe the smallest in the PL) the strain on our players is greater especially those who have come from some of the smaller European leagues, to play their first season in the PL, or those who are internationals. Hopefully the club are working on increasing our squad depth this Jan and again next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Hasn't looked his best for about a month now. This may do him good but it'll show that even though we have more depth than last season, our squad is still paper thin. Nearly had a heart attack when I first read the thread title, I thought it said "released"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Its not merely "tiredness", as Koeman says he has been playing for a long time with small niggles, which if we had a bigger squad he would have been given time to get over it. Its all now catching up with him and making him fatigued. Quite. It's been obvious for a while he has been struggling. In Jan we should be looking to sign a creative attacking midfielder. I know Gaston is probably a lost cause in terms of any sort of consistency in the PL but it would've been nice to be able to sub him on for Tadic a few times. That's the sort of player we should be looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Odd that there's a reaction to this, I've read loads of comments after matches saying that Tadic looks like he needs a rest. Lallana was never a very consistent performer either and also was known for getting worn out too often, so we still need the full season to decide. When Tadic was on form, the consensus was that he was an upgrade on Lallana, but his off-form patch has probably seen him have considerably less effect. Like I questioned on another thread, the real question is whether or not our players were on unusually good form at the start, and this is their real level, or whether they are having unusually bad form now and they actually are as good as they looked early season. Oh, p*ss off back to Norway with your logic and reasoning. This is a football forum and there is no place for it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Football Manager has a lot to answer for. No offence MLG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Considering Saints closely monitor every player's fitness with daily tests I'm more oblidged to trust the medical team's assessment than that of some randoms on a forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 perhaps its a smokescreen that he may not be happy away from football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Perhaps we needed to give the chap a break and get someone in to carry his mysterious cool box, must have sh@gged the poor dear out lugging that around everywhere. The intensity of the PL isn't for everyone, that's why there are so many high priced players who are just so so and return to doing great things when they return to Italy or Spain. Appreciate there is a good chance you haven't played decent level sport, but I don't think Koeman is talking about he needs a lay in. As well as niggling injuries there is allowing the body to recover to be considered. I'm sure he is still lively and more energetic than all of us but it is the comparative performance level against being fully recovered players. BTW, just had a look to see how he is coping with the premiers league... Tadic has played more minutes than every Man U outfield player, every Liverpool player except Sterling, all except one Newcastle player, all except one Aston Villa player. So as he has lasted more minutes than the vast majority of players, then maybe he is better suited to prem than virtually all others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Appreciate there is a good chance you haven't played decent level sport, but I don't think Koeman is talking about he needs a lay in. As well as niggling injuries there is allowing the body to recover to be considered. I'm sure he is still lively and more energetic than all of us but it is the comparative performance level against being fully recovered players. BTW, just had a look to see how he is coping with the premiers league... Tadic has played more minutes than every Man U outfield player, every Liverpool player except Sterling, all except one Newcastle player, all except one Aston Villa player. So as he has lasted more minutes than the vast majority of players, then maybe he is better suited to prem than virtually all others? What about West ham, Stoke, Chelsea and west Brom players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Secretly hoping Ron is pulling a fast one and he'll play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Stoke 2, west ham 1, wba 1, Chelsea 2 (inc both CBs). Hope that helps. Virtually every prem player played less than Tadic ( not checking more but looks like only one or two at most clubs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Stoke 2, west ham 1, wba 1, Chelsea 2 (inc both CBs). Hope that helps. Virtually every prem player played less than Tadic ( not checking more but looks like only one or two at most clubs). Leicester, QPR and arsenal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Secretly hoping Ron is pulling a fast one and he'll play I think the beer belly might slow him down. Apart from that, it's a great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 What a fanny. At a time when we are stretched like a wizards sleeve this big girls blouse is too tired. Give me strength. well said do they take a cut in wages for being tired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Tadic has clearly suffered from a big dip in form so the obvious course of action is to rest him for a game or two rather than hope for him to play himself back to form and all the consequences that could bring. Why this has turned into a Tadic v Lallana debate is f*cking ridiculous. Imo it's good to see Ronald being proactive in sorting an obvious problem rather than risking it will correct itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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