simo Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Has been as bad as the players form lately imo , was pants last night (noise not numbers) and Monday if we expect the players to up their game maybe we should !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 It was awful. But tbf, the team gave us nothing. Atmosphere was shocking though from us, one of the worst vs numbers I've seen in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 December, 2014 It was awful. But tbf, the team gave us nothing. Atmosphere was shocking though from us, one of the worst vs numbers I've seen in a long time. Tbh it was my first away game for a year or so and I was surprised at the lack of effort , I took my nipper for his first away game (he reminds me he did bompey pre season) and was hoping for a bouncing atmosphere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Works both ways I'm afraid. Was poor at Burnley and poor at Sheffield on and off the pitch. It reflected the doom and gloom at the momemt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Away fans used to be much noisier but it has been going downhill for some while. I really dont understand why so many people make all that effort / spend so much, but then happily stand in near silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 750 hardcore away fans will always make more noise than a 5,000 special event crowd. Not sure why anyone is surprised at this. Some people need to understand that many fans grow out of that need to sing all the way through a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 December, 2014 750 hardcore away fans will always make more noise than a 5,000 special event crowd. Not sure why anyone is surprised at this. Some people need to understand that many fans grow out of that need to sing all the way through a game. Surely those 750 would still be there and singing , it was just poo all round and United was just as bad if not worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 750 hardcore away fans will always make more noise than a 5,000 special event crowd. Not sure why anyone is surprised at this. Some people need to understand that many fans grow out of that need to sing all the way through a game. Not really, plenty of big away followings make a load of noise. For an away support at a Cup 1/4 our support was silent, large sections didn't make a noise all game, regardless of singing all the way through the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Surely those 750 would still be there and singing , it was just poo all round and United was just as bad if not worse Yes, but by its nature those 750 get dissipated among the 5,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Not really, plenty of big away followings make a load of noise. For an away support at a Cup 1/4 our support was silent, large sections didn't make a noise all game, regardless of singing all the way through the game. We still made more noise than the SUFC fans. For 5,000 away fans of any club there is no way that all 5,000 are going to be mad keen singers. Also, we were s hit and we lost, especially the last 20 minutes. Not really the conditions to turn reluctant singers into keeno singers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Yes, but by its nature those 750 get dissipated among the 5,000. I do get your point but I thought our numbers had been good lately our home support Monday night was pants too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 We still made more noise than the SUFC fans. For 5,000 away fans of any club there is no way that all 5,000 are going to be mad keen singers. Also, we were s hit and we lost, especially the last 20 minutes. Not really the conditions to turn reluctant singers into keeno singers. Can't agree with that. Ok, at the start we were a bit louder than then, however after about 15 mins they outsung us with ease. It was crap. I was at the front row though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 We still made more noise than the SUFC fans. For 5,000 away fans of any club there is no way that all 5,000 are going to be mad keen singers. Also, we were s hit and we lost, especially the last 20 minutes. Not really the conditions to turn reluctant singers into keeno singers. I don't think we were louder than Sheff Utd. No-one is suggesting that 5,00 will all be mad keen singers. But our support was crap last night, from before a ball was even kicked, so the performance can't simply to blame (it obviously didn't help). I can't see how anyone can suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 I don't think we were louder than Sheff Utd. No-one is suggesting that 5,00 will all be mad keen singers. But our support was crap last night, from before a ball was even kicked, so the performance can't simply to blame (it obviously didn't help). I can't see how anyone can suggest otherwise. Not sure anyone is saying it wasn't weak. But 5000 fans, in a game most thought we would win before kick off, which then went pear shaped - these are not the conditions for an electric atmosphere and loads of singing. SUFC fans only really got going after they scored IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Can't agree with that. Ok, at the start we were a bit louder than then, however after about 15 mins they outsung us with ease. It was crap. I was at the front row though. This. They were a bit subdued early on and prompted a few of ours to pipe up with "is this a library?" but once they got going it was very good and p*ssed all over and the feeble attempts made at our end. They even showed us how to do our (only) song better with "Oh, When the Blades". At times it was rattling around that ground with all sides making a racket. That bunch to our right was their 'Itchen North' just ten times louder and their Kop was excellent at times. If anyone thinks our lot got anywhere close to their support then they're deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Very quiet at the start. So much so I actually kind of wanted them to score so we'd get the decent atmosphere we did. For some strange reason I thought we'd easily have enough to come back and win to give the travelling faithful the kind of cup memory that lasts for years. We don't have enough. We are exactly the side I thought we'd be after losing Lallana' Rodriguez and Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 The away support at Arsenal foe the league cup win wasn't so dire was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Not sure anyone is saying it wasn't weak. But 5000 fans, in a game most thought we would win before kick off, which then went pear shaped - these are not the conditions for an electric atmosphere and loads of singing. SUFC fans only really got going after they scored IMO. But there are plenty of games with thousands of away fans that create a top atmosphere, having 4k+ away fans isn't a reason for there being poor/quiet support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 But there are plenty of games with thousands of away fans that create a top atmosphere, having 4k+ away fans isn't a reason for there being poor/quiet support. What games? We were playing Sheffield United in a completely winnable match with fairly low intensity. It wasn't the Old Firm. Sorry, our poor support entirely explainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 What games? We were playing Sheffield United in a completely winnable match with fairly low intensity. It wasn't the Old Firm. Sorry, our poor support entirely explainable. For just Saints games off the top of my head, Fulham away last season, either of the two Orient aways, Reading away in the Championship, all games where we took many thousands and made good noise. It wasn't the Old Firm, but it was a 1/4 final of a cup competition. You seem to be the only one that thinks our support was reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 I feel let down by the fan's. As a plastic I expect more singing when I watch games on my pc. Thinking about demanding a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 For just Saints games off the top of my head, Fulham away last season, either of the two Orient aways, Reading away in the Championship, all games where we took many thousands and made good noise. It wasn't the Old Firm, but it was a 1/4 final of a cup competition. You seem to be the only one that thinks our support was reasonable. Palace away in the Championship too. We've made more noise before with less than a quarter of the fans we took last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Yes, but by its nature those 750 get dissipated among the 5,000. There was only around 1,500 in the upper tier who were mostly unaware of the 3,000 in the lower so you can hardly blame that for a reason for a poor atmosphere up there. Only once or twice were both tiers singing the same song (you know the one) at the same time. There was a semi-final at stake, if some of our fans can't get up for that then they never will. No excuses, it was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 There was only around 1,500 in the upper tier who were mostly unaware of the 3,000 in the lower so you can hardly blame that for a reason for a poor atmosphere up there. Only once or twice were both tiers singing the same song (you know the one) at the same time. There was a semi-final at stake, if some of our fans can't get up for that then they never will. No excuses, it was poor. I was in the upper tier and it was poor. The people around me were more interested in trying to be wacky and hilarious than get behind the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 For just Saints games off the top of my head, Fulham away last season, either of the two Orient aways, Reading away in the Championship, all games where we took many thousands and made good noise. It wasn't the Old Firm, but it was a 1/4 final of a cup competition. You seem to be the only one that thinks our support was reasonable. Funny that all those games were Saturday afternoon train ride pi ss up games in London (or close enough). Didn't go to all of them but I did Reading and the first Orient game and the atmosphere there (brilliant) was as explicable as last night's was weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Are talking about zany people Turk's? Building sites, decent pubs and football tend to scare these gifted individuals away. I am back in a position to go to more games, earning more and wife has left me. Thing is I'm not really in the mood for zany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydonsaint Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Has been as bad as the players form lately imo , was pants last night (noise not numbers) and Monday if we expect the players to up their game maybe we should !? I find this statement odd. I don't know where you were standing but I thought there was plenty of noise. When we went one down immediately the whole stand was getting behind the team. I am not sure we were anything to do with the performance last night, very woolly thinking that is! Personally although I go to a lot of games home and away I don't feel the need to sing my head off. I just enjoy watching the team applauding when the play is good, when we score etc. I must be in the minority and am donning my steel hat as I am writing but the singing about Pompey....... and when I was born my mother said to me...........****** is just boring. I don't give a f..ck about Pompey [good luck to them]. Why does how much you hate Pompey or how loud you sing define you as "proper" supporter. I must be weird but I find that attitude a bit moronic? [please some one tell me it isn't just me]. Any way there was nothing "pants" about the support last night, there was no problem there. There was a problem with the team, which I think is down in part to the lack of quality in depth but also more worryingly about the fighting spirit unfortunately Sheffield United had in spades. I think Koeman needs to look at the commitment of some of the players and I do wonder if there is any break down in the dressing room cohesion. It feels like something is not quite right. Apart from that another creative midfielder a la Tadic and another top class striker so there is competition in these 2 areas and with Rodrigues back in the team and we should be in a better position to get back to where we were 3 weeks ago. Still positive about everything but last night was depressing.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 There was only around 1,500 in the upper tier who were mostly unaware of the 3,000 in the lower so you can hardly blame that for a reason for a poor atmosphere up there. Only once or twice were both tiers singing the same song (you know the one) at the same time. There was a semi-final at stake, if some of our fans can't get up for that then they never will. No excuses, it was poor. The tier that went on sale to non season ticket holding, low loyalty point latecomer fans you mean (like me)? I wonder why that was quiet. I went on my own as I work near (ish) and saw another three or four similar loner types near me, a couple of couples, a girl and her mum, assorted old blokes, kids etc. I had a bit of a join in but frankly no one was singing around me. I'm going to stop going on about it, but stick to my original point the atmosphere was predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Are talking about zany people Turk's? Building sites, decent pubs and football tend to scare these gifted individuals away. I am back in a position to go to more games, earning more and wife has left me. Thing is I'm not really in the mood for zany. Yeah, here's an example of the side splitting comedy that was going on in the upper tier last night. Someone shouted out 'got no fans' in the style of the wealdstone raider, which was mildly amusing the first time, but by the 40th time in the first half I was wondering how my head hadn't fallen off due to laughing so much. The real golden moment came when they tried turning it into a chant, witty and original as it was hilarious, here's how if went.. Got no fans clap clap clap clap Got,no fans clap clap clap clap Got no fans clap clap clap clap Got no fans clap clap clap clap Got no fans clap clap clap clap (Repeat until fade) Who said terrace humour was dead? its alive and well in southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Hhm that sounds like the type that go to a gig or festy and have an amazing idea/s when the band are playing but are completely bereft of their own entertainment when there's nothing on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Hhm that sounds like the type that go to a gig or festy and have an amazing idea/s when the band are playing but are completely bereft of their own entertainment when there's nothing on. By the way if any one reads what I've said and has a problem with it I was one in the flat cap and black barbour jacket and if you want some I'll give it yah. PMSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Funny that all those games were Saturday afternoon train ride pi ss up games in London (or close enough). Didn't go to all of them but I did Reading and the first Orient game and the atmosphere there (brilliant) was as explicable as last night's was weak. Right, so your point about taking big numbers away leading to quiet support was a load of rubbish? Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Right, so your point about taking big numbers away leading to quiet support was a load of rubbish? Fair enough. Arsenal in the cup this year too, good atmosphere there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 Sad to say the support from the Northam has been poor over the last few games at home - the rest of SMS need the Northam to lead everyone else, but one goal down and the ground falls silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 Anyone who says the majority of our support wasn't awful vocally must have been one of the many standing in silence, I imagine . I'm not saying everyone is going to be bouncing up and down singing all game but come on a bit of effort ffs? It was sh*te from the start which shows it wasn't just the players to blame. If it wasn't for the level of frustration you would have thought it was an end of season meaningless league game, not a 1/4 final tie. Clearly one of our problems is we don't have enough songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 Right, so your point about taking big numbers away leading to quiet support was a load of rubbish? Fair enough. No. I'll stand by that all day long. Smaller hardcore away followings will make more noise than massive followings. One of the factors that explain our weak support on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 No. I'll stand by that all day long. Smaller hardcore away followings will make more noise than massive followings. One of the factors that explain our weak support on Tuesday. To be fair, there are plenty of 'hardcore' who will travel to somewhere like Hartlepool on a Tuesday night and happily sit in silence. You'd be surprised, it's not necessarily just day trippers who stand/sit like cardboard cut outs. It is clear though that we've got progressively worse over the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 Do you really think that making a great deal of noise actually affects outcomes? Of course not, the players are either in form or not and the team is either clicking or it is not. If you go into work feeling like death warmed up no way are you going to do a good day's work whether the boss gives you encouragement or not, right!your just waiting to get through it and hope you feel better the next day. We've all been there, done that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 How can 5000 fans away in midweek to Sheffield be called poor support. It was magnificent support. Just because a lot of fans are grown up and don't need to sing anti Pompey songs etc doesn't mean we did not have impressive support. On the radio it came across very decent. It is sometimes hard to tell how many are singing or how loud it is when you are in the middle of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 How can 5000 fans away in midweek to Sheffield be called poor support. It was magnificent support. Just because a lot of fans are grown up and don't need to sing anti Pompey songs etc doesn't mean we did not have impressive support. On the radio it came across very decent. It is sometimes hard to tell how many are singing or how loud it is when you are in the middle of it. It wasn't 5,000. It wasn't hard to tell that loads weren't singing full-stop, regardless of whether you were in the middle of it or not. Nothing to do with singing "anti-pompey" songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 No. I'll stand by that all day long. Smaller hardcore away followings will make more noise than massive followings. One of the factors that explain our weak support on Tuesday. So give us examples of all these massive away followings that are really quiet? What about Chelsea down at ours in the cup the other year? 5k+ wasn't it? They were really quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 How can 5000 fans away in midweek to Sheffield be called poor support. It was magnificent support. Just because a lot of fans are grown up and don't need to sing anti Pompey songs etc doesn't mean we did not have impressive support. On the radio it came across very decent. It is sometimes hard to tell how many are singing or how loud it is when you are in the middle of it. Funnily enough the loudest chant of the night was "one Les Reed" and the biggest cheer when his face came up on the big screens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 This quietness from the fans is not a sudden malaise it's been happening for years, Lawrie Mac said after being in charge for a while that the Saints fans are a quiet knowledgable bunch on the whole, and that the players need to get them going by their actions on the pitch, but once the players perform and get them going even the most gentile of Hampshire folk will become as raucous and loud as the biggest crowds in the land. so it's in our genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 So give us examples of all these massive away followings that are really quiet? What about Chelsea down at ours in the cup the other year? 5k+ wasn't it? They were really quiet This. A bit like those 750 hardcore singing Utd fans last Monday doing an excellent job of covering up for their 2,250 silent fellow fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 Works both ways I'm afraid. Was poor at Burnley and poor at Sheffield on and off the pitch. It reflected the doom and gloom at the momemt! Yeah, that, and the fact that some seemed more focused on where to drink all day. Probably spent most of the game peeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 This. A bit like those 750 hardcore singing Utd fans last Monday doing an excellent job of covering up for their 2,250 silent fellow fans So give us examples of all these massive away followings that are really quiet? What about Chelsea down at ours in the cup the other year? 5k+ wasn't it? They were really quiet So now we're on to supporters of other clubs. Well done. Personally I think the drab atmosphere cam be explained and really not all that surprising. But you want to act all shocked and appalled, fill your boots. After all, we have such a world famous reputation for the rollicking noisy passion of our fans when we are playing terribly so your horror is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 So now we're on to supporters of other clubs. Well done. Personally I think the drab atmosphere cam be explained and really not all that surprising. But you want to act all shocked and appalled, fill your boots. After all, we have such a world famous reputation for the rollicking noisy passion of our fans when we are playing terribly so your horror is understandable. So no examples then? And now this well known footballing phenomenon of big away followings equaling quiet support is unique to Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 So no examples then? And now this well known footballing phenomenon of big away followings equaling quiet support is unique to Saints Well, they'll be 28,000 Saints fans at St Marys on Saturday which no doubt will be a bubbling cauldron of non stop throat ripping deafening song after deafening song in every seat in the stands, from the first kick to the bitter end, win or lose. We're famed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 Well, they'll be 28,000 Saints fans at St Marys on Saturday which no doubt will be a bubbling cauldron of non stop throat ripping deafening song after deafening song in every seat in the stands, from the first kick to the bitter end, win or lose. We're famed for it. Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 18 December, 2014 Share Posted 18 December, 2014 Vicious circle Crap results = crap support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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