SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Agree but to get back to the thread - Gaston is nowhere near good enough. Have watch a çouple of Hull games where he continues to give the ball and get caught in possession - a player who was all hype ....
Avenue Saint Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 He contributes fook all in creativity unless you call giving the ball away cheaply or falling ive in a heap at the slightest tackle, don't you think we would have seen this creativity In the years hes been here other. Than one good game at villa I cant think what else hes done Gaston simply isn't suited to the premiership! Alright alright. Keep your hair on. he brings more to the table than mayuka thats for sure. Anyway, dont need to take football tips from mr "saints will lose every game" x. Have a good day
eurosaint Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Irrespective of his ability, he is either out with a groin strain, has jet lag or is serving a ban ! Add this to inconsistent form and it all points to a weak link in the team !
LuckyNumber7 Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 For all his lumbering about the pitch, he still consistently picks out passes mate. That you cant train in, it is natural ability. Through our recent alump its in the final third and lack of a final ball that has let us down time and again. He offers what we need. Agree with this. People forget he was actually playing quite well last season until he picked up that bad injury at Sunderland. You only have to look at our bench yesterday to see there is certainly a place for him in the squad. Infuriating at times but there's no doubt he has ability.
Dellman Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Well, he's got ability, we've all been told that but you need more that that in the Premioership and neither Saints nor Hull have seen the other qualities: fitness, commitment, workrate. I'm afraid no one will want him and we are stuck with a long expensive contract. What a shame to waste talent and career, while the cash piles up
VectisSaint Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Irrespective of his ability, he is either out with a groin strain, has jet lag or is serving a ban ! Add this to inconsistent form and it all points to a weak link in the team ! Don't think many are saying he should be first choice, but as a creative option off the bench he is just what we really need right now. His creative ability really isn't in question, but you are right that he is prone to injury and his international duties makes him unavailable at times. I'd still rather we had him than another team in the PL. I'm also sure that Ron would do better with him than Poch or Nigel were able to do. He really is a misfit at Hull, but then that was always likely to be the case, really surprised that Steve Bruce thought he was a good idea for his style of play.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Don't think many are saying he should be first choice, but as a creative option off the bench he is just what we really need right now. His creative ability really isn't in question, but you are right that he is prone to injury and his international duties makes him unavailable at times. I'd still rather we had him than another team in the PL. I'm also sure that Ron would do better with him than Poch or Nigel were able to do. He really is a misfit at Hull, but then that was always likely to be the case, really surprised that Steve Bruce thought he was a good idea for his style of play. So we've had Nigel,Poch, and now Steve Bruce all " failing to get the best out of him" . I presume Ron is happy to loan him out, so clearly doesn't rate him. How many more managers are going to bin him before people realise the bleeding obvious, he's not very good, was a waste of money and is over-rated?
CB Fry Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 So we're fifth at Christmas, and we've all sat back enviously as Gaston has rejuvenated Hull City to untold new heights in his time there. Where do people think we would be in the league if we still had him in the squad? I'm a pessimist, but I'd suggest eight points clear at the top. What do other people think?
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 So we're fifth at Christmas, and we've all sat back enviously as Gaston has rejuvenated Hull City to untold new heights in his time there. Where do people think we would be in the league if we still had him in the squad? I'm a pessimist, but I'd suggest eight points clear at the top. What do other people think? We've not had anyone to fill the mongboard spiteful nickname role with such aplomb since Gashton went though. Turdic and Pellend have been a big let down on that front.
Batman Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 gaston has failed. failed quite miserably to be a decent premier league player
spyinthesky Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 gaston has failed. failed quite miserably to be a decent premier league player I agree Its a shame that despite having talent Gaston isn't up to the Prem Talking to a Hull City mate of mine Gaston is looked upon in the same way as Ben Arfur who joined Hull on loan but has been a waste of space during his time there. Apparently Gaston was pants against Swansea yesterday (Sunday Times rated him a 4/10) and was noticeably slow to react on the approach play to Swansea's goal on the MOTD clip He may well suit to Italian/Spanish Leagues Just hope we can recoup some money
jb4life Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 People are analysing gaston far too much on this thread. He's better than Mayuka, and Mayuka has been a bit of a regular on the bench. Therefore keeping him wouldn't be that ridiculous a decision.
Window Cleaner Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Agent says he's going back to Italy anyway, maybe now maybe in June but definitely going..if the agent can get him a good deal of course.
Batman Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Agent says he's going back to Italy anyway, maybe now maybe in June but definitely going..if the agent can get him a good deal of course. Will probably do well over there Slower, more breaks in the game, less games and not as physical
Dark Munster Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 (edited) We've not had anyone to fill the mongboard spiteful nickname role with such aplomb since Gashton went though. Turdic and Pellend have been a big let down on that front. True, but Turdish never lets us down. Edited 21 December, 2014 by Dark Munster
Mr X Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 Alright alright. Keep your hair on. he brings more to the table than mayuka thats for sure. Anyway, dont need to take football tips from mr "saints will lose every game" x. Have a good day agreed hes better than mayuka! and probably better than mane on recent form, but that's not saying much.
Barry the Badger Posted 21 December, 2014 Posted 21 December, 2014 People are analysing gaston far too much on this thread. He's better than Mayuka, and Mayuka has been a bit of a regular on the bench. Therefore keeping him wouldn't be that ridiculous a decision. Except he's on an awful lot more money than Mayuka will be
niceandfriendly Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 Except he's on an awful lot more money than Mayuka will be definitely Gaston's fault also, better players generally get paid more. but yes, still Gaston's fault. sure, sure.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 Gaston hasn't been as bad as others think he is, but he suffers from the 'lazy foreigner' stereotype that this forum and other English forums like to purport. Shame as he could have done it for us, but he's too weak for this league I think.
sotonist Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 Gaston hasn't been as bad as others think he is, but he suffers from the 'lazy foreigner' stereotype that this forum and other English forums like to purport. Shame as he could have done it for us, but he's too weak for this league I think. lazy foreigner stereotype suffers from Gaston.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 lazy foreigner stereotype suffers from Gaston. But he isn't and wasn't lazy, that's the point.
angelman Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 People are analysing gaston far too much on this thread. He's better than Mayuka, and Mayuka has been a bit of a regular on the bench. Therefore keeping him wouldn't be that ridiculous a decision. Flawed. That he and Mayuka are both gash, doesn't mean we should keep either of them Midfield strength was OK, so good to shift Gaston. Forward strength is very thin, hence keeping Mayuka, at least in my eyes. I suspect that wages are somewhat different. Frankly if neither play for Saints again, then that's no great loss.
max_saints Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 think what everyone is forgetting is that the main problem is not with his ability but the fact that he always seems to be out with some injury. even when he does play, he would eventually be subbed off due to an injury. whether this is because he lacks fitness, can't adapt to the physicality of the league, or the fact he is always jetting off to S.America for internationals, I feel he will never make it in this league. it is time we stop looking to him to step up as our saviour
doddisalegend Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 think what everyone is forgetting is that the main problem is not with his ability but the fact that he always seems to be out with some injury. even when he does play, he would eventually be subbed off due to an injury. whether this is because he lacks fitness, can't adapt to the physicality of the league, or the fact he is always jetting off to S.America for internationals, I feel he will never make it in this league. it is time we stop looking to him to step up as our saviour The Guy is mentally weak.....
sotonist Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 But he isn't and wasn't lazy, that's the point. He showed a complete lack of urgency when things weren't going the way that suited him (bar occasionally lashing out), which was most of the time. He never adapted his game to deal with english football, though he had ample opportunity. Alarm bells should have gone off when "so much money" was the focus of his interview before signing for us. For me, he's been dreaming of a return to italy since his first set back like Osvaldo did from the moment he signed for us. Perhaps contact with Osvaldo didn't do any good for Ramirez's desire to prove himself here either.
jb4life Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 Agree to disagree. I'd say we have two forwards to pick from - Pelle and Long. But only one creative midfielder - Tadić. Lack depth in both positions tbf.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 He showed a complete lack of urgency when things weren't going the way that suited him (bar occasionally lashing out), which was most of the time. He never adapted his game to deal with english football, though he had ample opportunity. Alarm bells should have gone off when "so much money" was the focus of his interview before signing for us. For me, he's been dreaming of a return to italy since his first set back like Osvaldo did from the moment he signed for us. Perhaps contact with Osvaldo didn't do any good for Ramirez's desire to prove himself here either. That is all assumptions. Perhaps he couldn't adapt his game to the Premiership as the issue he has is strength on the ball. I don't think he deserves the ire that Osvaldo did, he has never seemed to be unhappy, sulked, or anything like that. You also have NO idea how hard he has worked at his game or anything like that. I think comparing him to Osvaldo is very lazy.
Bearsy Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 lazy posters making lazy comparisons bout lazy players?
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 December, 2014 Posted 22 December, 2014 lazy posters making lazy comparisons bout lazy players? I would never assume that Sotonist is lazy...
toe_punt Posted 23 December, 2014 Posted 23 December, 2014 Seriously, forget him! He offers nothing. Let' Hull Suffer his crapness. S-clarke is a great proponent of Sadio Mane. Crafty, pacy winger according to S-clarke. Pretty clearly, Gaston is a hundred times the player that Mane is, and yet Mane either plays or is on the bench because we are running out of fit and non-banned options. Still, there's no better laugh than seeing Mane swing and miss, or kick his own foot and fall over! Or juke a player and leave the ball behind. What a wonderful way to spend 10 million quid!
angelman Posted 23 December, 2014 Posted 23 December, 2014 Well Gaston is in his 3rd season and hasn't shown anything. If we are going to use the argument of giving him time, then surely Mane should also be given time. To me, Mane ain't great at the moment but is better than Gaston.
sotonist Posted 23 December, 2014 Posted 23 December, 2014 I would never assume that Sotonist is lazy... Very droll, but you'd be happy to announce matter-of-factly that Gaston is not and was not lazy based on nothing but assumption and a haughty sense of political correctness. It wasn't all assumption. His lack of urgency on the pitch was observed as is his failure (for whatever reason) to change that. I didn't say that proves he's lazy. I listed a couple of things that make him look lazy and don't help any lazy foreign player stereotype. Assumptions all round, let's all mock and feel superior on the internet. You can argue that he is intrinsically unable to improve his strength on the ball but I find that improbable for a tall lad with no obvious physical disadvantage and in any case that wouldn't explain his dawdling on and off the ball and a paucity of constructive involvement in general. As doddisalegend has assumed, mental weakness fits the bill. From the point I said "For me" yes that's assumption. That's what it was meant to indicate. I'm happy to compare him with Osvaldo because like Osvaldo he's come to us from that **** poor italian league and he wants to go back (source: his agent) to that comfort zone and play their lethargic brand of football with the likes of lazy Saphir Taider (source: SFC). Sadly there's apparently only one team in Italy with a pot to **** in, so he's probably looking at another year of going out on loan to milk the rest of his contract with us and we can try to recover a fraction of his employment cost. Gaston reminds me of a poor man's Anders Svensson. Svensson improved in his defensive contribution as time went on, and was always trying to do something with the ball, but while his technique was good he was too ponderous for the premier league. Gaston often just dawdles, doing nothing on or off the ball. The stock answer is that he's looking for the killer ball and the other players just aren't on is wavelength. Brilliant. Well for the occasional five minutes when he comes alive we had a player who is slow witted in every other way, unable to contribute to a team effort, and it's someone else's fault. Out of interest, on the subject of the "lazy foreign footballer" stereotype, where has this come from? I looked through our squads over the years and tried to think who could be characterised as lazy. Fox- Barely moved most of the time and would kick the ball directly into the man in front of him on a regular basis. Easily dismissed as just being crap although there are plenty of people who defend him as a key to our promotion even to the point of making up team of the year awards for him. In all fairness his set pieces were handy that year. Guly- Apparently some others thought he was lazy. I felt he was more of a cowardly lion Puncheon- At times I think he got this label. Not one I subscribed to but with his general behaviour he was always going to be under the microscope and the "it's cos he's black" brigade revelled in any criticism of him. Saganowski- After he got his contract he conformed to past performance and earned his lazy badge in record time. John- Renowned lazy bones. Good goal scorer. Rasiak- Very similar Jones- He's been called lazy everywhere he's been. Jakobsson- useless, slow, waste of space. It is apparent that the bulk of this unscientific sample have come from abroad. They are exclusively players we have bought as well, but we do buy a high proportion of foreign players. As noted in the Elia thread, we usually can't afford to buy talent unless it's flawed. When we bought english players we mostly were not able to afford talent. Gaston vs Mayuka vs Mané? None of them look functionally superior at the moment. Why did we get rid of Gaston? He's got the shortest contract, no future here, and we managed to get someone to cover a portion of his employment cost. He's a bosman walking.
Barry the Badger Posted 23 December, 2014 Posted 23 December, 2014 definitely Gaston's fault also, better players generally get paid more. but yes, still Gaston's fault. sure, sure. Where did I say it was his fault you sarcy git! We don't have an unlimited amount of money, Gaston is on a LOT of money relative to what he contributes. We clearly felt that money would be better spent elsewhere and bringing him back would put a big strain on the wage bill for most likely very little return.
Dr Who? Posted 23 December, 2014 Posted 23 December, 2014 Weird question I think. He never settled in the team and now he is struggling to get into a Hull City team in the bottom 3.
GAS Posted 23 December, 2014 Posted 23 December, 2014 Agreed he should be on our bench. Mayuka is the worst player we've had since Ali Dia.Agree he hasn't shown anything. But he did win the ACN in 2012 and scored many goals for that mighty force young boys Berne. Ok, no real recommendation but Gaston had many opportunities and fell short whereas Mayuka has had limited opportunities. (But saying that I thought Ali Dia was brilliant, better than Carlton Palmer by some margin.)
VectisSaint Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 Weird question I think. He never settled in the team and now he is struggling to get into a Hull City team in the bottom 3. Scores for Hull today
Batman Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 Scores for Hull today and will still go on to be pretty much a let down
VectisSaint Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 Scores for Hull today Assist for the 2nd
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 Just think what he could do in a good team.
Lighthouse Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 Just think what he could do in a good team. He had one from X-mas 2 years ago until leaving in summer. 18 months of not really doing much.
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 He had one from X-mas 2 years ago until leaving in summer. 18 months of not really doing much. Yes, I meant to add the rolly-eyes thing but I'm iPadding.
Crazy Diamond Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 He's done something good at last - wiped the smile off of Poyet's face...
Saints foreva Posted 26 December, 2014 Posted 26 December, 2014 His goal was a goalkeeper howler btw....
GarrettIvo Posted 27 December, 2014 Posted 27 December, 2014 His goal was a goalkeeper howler btw.... More of a weird bounce due to rubbish turf I reckon.
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