shurlock Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 (edited) Tadic was playing on the right in the first match of the season, which was before we even signed Mane, so I assume that means your argument is that he was shunted out there to accommodate someone we hadn't even signed and that wasn't playing? I will say that the 4 Austrian Bundesliga matches he played for RB Salzburg this season they won 8-0, 6-1, and 5-0 twice, and he only scored two, so he's not to be expected to be an out and out goalscorer. He played on the right for most of preseason. Against Liverpool, he played the first half on the left and then moved more to the right in the second half - it was his interchange and understanding with Clyne that led to our goal. But he's a predominantly a left sided player. As to whether switching to the right led to his dip in form, I don't buy it. Just think hes less of an unknown quantity and defenders play tighter and more physically with him, not allowing him to face them square on. Edited 19 December, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 He played on the right for most of preseason. Against Liverpool, he played the first half on the left and then moved more to the right in the second half - it was his interchange and understanding with Clyne that led to our goal. But he didn't move to the right to accommodate Mane, who was happily playing in 5 goal wins for Red Bull Salzburg for another 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 Every game I've seen Tadic play well in he was on the left. Mane comes along, immediately monopolises the left side, and Tadic's performances dropped. Note that I'm not insisting that this change is what made Tadic's performances drop, but saying that this was when they dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 It is often a foreign or black player who gets picked on unfairly. He hasn't been any worse than Long or Tadic in an attacking sense recently. He is mental defensively, mind. I remember morons saying Guly was lazy. BWP was proper ****e though. I agree with this to some extent, although Danny Fox was the recent example to break that mould. I think Mane has got decent potential, but is obviously trying to adapt to a different style of play that is somewhat at odds with his natural instincts. A bit of time and patience is required, all IMHO of course. The intelligencia booing him or getting on his back from the first 5 minutes isn't going to get any results with the lad. And you are right about Tadic, who for me is in real danger of turning into Skacel MkII. I hope Mane gets encouragement tomorrow, but i suspect he'll get a load of unwarranted grief from the first minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 I agree with this to some extent, although Danny Fox was the recent example to break that mould. I think Mane has got decent potential, but is obviously trying to adapt to a different style of play that is somewhat at odds with his natural instincts. A bit of time and patience is required, all IMHO of course. The intelligencia booing him or getting on his back from the first 5 minutes isn't going to get any results with the lad. And you are right about Tadic, who for me is in real danger of turning into Skacel MkII. I hope Mane gets encouragement tomorrow, but i suspect he'll get a load of unwarranted grief from the first minute. Danny fox, Paul Telfer, David Prutton. Some people can only see grief given to minorities. I suspect i'm on my last post of the day so i'll qualify my last post before a nit picker tears me apart, of course Mané didn't get into the first team immediately as he arrived at the club. I meant from the moment he came into the first team he monopolised the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 Except Liverpool, when the goal he set up was from playing down the right? I honestly can't say I remember Tadic doing anything significant in any match since that, left or right side, and if he was Senegalese and a bit more random this forum would probably be battering him instead. The reason we're struggling at the moment has not got much to do with Mane's performances. We're still getting the ball in attacking areas, we're still creating chances, we're losing becasue we're conceding crappy goals from mistakes as well as not scoring the chances we have created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 (edited) Danny fox, Paul Telfer, David Prutton. Some people can only see grief given to minorities. I suspect i'm on my last post of the day so i'll qualify my last post before a nit picker tears me apart, of course Mané didn't get into the first team immediately as he arrived at the club. I meant from the moment he came into the first team he monopolised the left. DAVID PRUTTON? The man who was lauded as saving our season every time he got injured and was poised to come back? I've never seen a bad word said about him that didn't contain the word "haircut". Edited 19 December, 2014 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyton Lundekvam Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 Although I can understand the frustration with Mane (he has been woeful recently) - dare I say it, I think the lad has got great potential. He could be developed into a good player. It's just a shame our squad is so threadbare at present that Koeman is having to persist with him, hoping he'll come good, even though a spell out of the spotlight would be better. Hopefully this won't descend into a vicious circle where Mane's performances provoke crowd hostility, undermining his confidence, and therefore performances deteriorate further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 I think Tadic has looked knackered since the last international rounds. Left, right, in the hole is irrelevant IMO. Maybe he's been playing through an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 Although I can understand the frustration with Mane (he has been woeful recently) - dare I say it, I think the lad has got great potential. He could be developed into a good player. It's just a shame our squad is so threadbare at present that Koeman is having to persist with him, hoping he'll come good, even though a spell out of the spotlight would be better. Hopefully this won't descend into a vicious circle where Mane's performances provoke crowd hostility, undermining his confidence, and therefore performances deteriorate further... ...but we can all see it coming miles off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 Although I can understand the frustration with Mane (he has been woeful recently) - dare I say it, I think the lad has got great potential. He could be developed into a good player. It's just a shame our squad is so threadbare at present that Koeman is having to persist with him, hoping he'll come good, even though a spell out of the spotlight would be better. Hopefully this won't descend into a vicious circle where Mane's performances provoke crowd hostility, undermining his confidence, and therefore performances deteriorate further... Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 ...but we can all see it coming miles off. But if he has to play, which he does because of injuries and suspensions, what is the point of getting on his back. Looks like we're only going to have half a side out tomorrow, we need to support them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 Except Liverpool, when the goal he set up was from playing down the right? I honestly can't say I remember Tadic doing anything significant in any match since that, left or right side, and if he was Senegalese and a bit more random this forum would probably be battering him instead. The reason we're struggling at the moment has not got much to do with Mane's performances. We're still getting the ball in attacking areas, we're still creating chances, we're losing becasue we're conceding crappy goals from mistakes as well as not scoring the chances we have created. Tadic hasn't doing anything since the opening day of the season - are you serious? Seem to remember 4 or 5 assists against Sunderland for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 Tadic hasn't doing anything since the opening day of the season - are you serious? Seem to remember 4 or 5 assists against Sunderland for a start. And some great play V Newcastle including at least one assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 December, 2014 Share Posted 19 December, 2014 ...but we can all see it coming miles off. It's already happening unfortunately. He'll get slaughtered each time something he tries doesn't come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Except Liverpool, when the goal he set up was from playing down the right? I honestly can't say I remember Tadic doing anything significant in any match since that, left or right side, and if he was Senegalese and a bit more random this forum would probably be battering him instead. I didn't see that game, so i'm comfortable in my assessment. Without checking, I believe it has been mentioned that although Tadic made the assist from the right, he was not there for the whole game. Before Mané got into the first team Tadic would pop up on the right at times, but wasn't stuck there. Mané looks to monopolise the left IMO, which I think is Tadic's best position. DAVID PRUTTON? The man who was lauded as saving our season every time he got injured and was poised to come back? I've never seen a bad word said about him that didn't contain the word "haircut". The guy got dog's abuse as much as he was defended. It turned out that he was useless, had a **** career, and probably warranted the criticism, but that doesn't mean he didn't draw heavy criticism from internet forums. Do Paul Telfer and Neil McCann count as foreign out of interest. And does Jermaine Wright count as Black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Problem is we gave no one else to replace him and Tadjc with when they're not playing well. Can't expect them to play every minute and they're on it every game. Mane is dreadful though, you can't help that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 DAVID PRUTTON? The man who was lauded as saving our season every time he got injured and was poised to come back? I've never seen a bad word said about him that didn't contain the word "haircut". 2005s Harrison Reed, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 sadio will answer his critics today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 2005s Harrison Reed, yes? I don't think this forum goes back far enough for anyone to dig up posts suggesting Prutton for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I don't think this forum goes back far enough for anyone to dig up posts suggesting Prutton for England. Ten Richard Chaplows on the pitch and we'd walk this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 (edited) But the real question is this. Is he a 10.8 million £ pile of crap as you'd believe if you read the Mail,the Telegraph or RB Salzburgs site (they intitially wanted 20 million € apparently) or is he a 4 million £ hopeful in the same way that Mayuka was. 4 million... well what can you expect but 10,8 million is something different. If he really cost 4 million then haven't we been led up the garden path a bit on exactly how much we spent last summer. Perhaps Long didn't really cost 12 million either.. who knows what we made and what we spent really. Is that Swiss Ramble bloke still out there ? Or is he a £4m pile of crap? I shall start with an open mind today, but I shall be paying special attention to him. I never boo or groan but I applaud or cheer where it is deserved. Edited 20 December, 2014 by Whitey Grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Ten Richard Chaplows on the pitch and we'd walk this league. We've never truly replaced his bite in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Bit of an arbitrary comparison as I watch Palace's Bolassie vs Man City. Both African with an orange hair thing going on. Similarly built? Both tagged with the slightly lazy 'unpredictable' tag. Bolassie's a couple of years older with more UK experience. As I watch him, I think - 'wish Mane was as good as that'. Then I realise I've ignored all the times he's tried tricks and lost the ball and generally been out of position or not put a ball in. Probably not as infuriating as Mane, but seeing as our man is a bit younger, there's potential there. And I fancy CP's attack to score more than ours over the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Mane isn't a dead loss yet - but today we were much better without him giving the ball away and not passing. More of an off-the-bench type impact player I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Mane isn't a dead loss yet - but today we were much better without him giving the ball away and not passing. More of an off-the-bench type impact player I think. Don't think we really missed Tadic either, certainly not his corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Great to see some players come in and give competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Mane has a future, but as an impact sub IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I thought Mane was superb today, some of jogs up the line were sublime, and as for those stretches! he's finally found his true position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 Interestingly since the home game against Stoke where he scored the only goal of the game, in all the games he's started we've only scored one goal with him on the pitch, and three goals once he's been subbed off. Off the top of my head from the fixtures before that there was: the Sunderland game which was a freak result, but we scored 3 goals after he came on off the bench. Spurs away where he started, missed a sitter, and we didn't score. I think there really is something to the theory of him disrupting the balance of the team. Another 3 goals scored with Mane not on the pitch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2014 Share Posted 20 December, 2014 I thought Mane was superb today, some of jogs up the line were sublime, and as for those stretches! he's finally found his true position! Didn't lose the ball or get caught offside either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 No Mane. 3 points. A bloke with hair like that doesnt lack confidence, he is just a dragging anchor on our team ethic and the way we play. Lose the 'look at me hair' and make a net positive contribution to a game and I will back off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 No Mane. 3 points. A bloke with hair like that doesnt lack confidence, he is just a dragging anchor on our team ethic and the way we play. Lose the 'look at me hair' and make a net positive contribution to a game and I will back off. So to be clear this conditional offer of you backing off won't apply if he starts playing well but doesn't change his hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Mané being away for the ACN in January may be good thing. To me, the team looks much better with Long in attack and with some talented young players waiting for their chances I'd rather the club see them used than buying someone in. Harry Reed has already shown that Koeman can have confidence in him so now it would be nice to see more of Dom Gape and some game time for Seager and McQueen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Mane isn't a dead loss yet - but today we were much better without him giving the ball away and not passing. More of an off-the-bench type impact player I think. Totally agree. He's good for the last 15-20 minutes to run at tired defenders. Still not forgiven him for that miss at Spurs. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 I think we've got this year's boo boy, ladies and gents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 I think we've got this year's boo boy, ladies and gents Especially after Yoshi disappointed his band of critics by shouldering in the third goal yesterday ! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndy1970 Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Mane is the new Stuart Ripley. For the cowards on here there's always going to be some whipping boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Mane is the new Stuart Ripley. For the cowards on here there's always going to be some whipping boy! At least Ripley had one good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Mane is the new Stuart Ripley. For the cowards on here there's always going to be some whipping boy! A little hungover today darling? Not sure how saying that Mane has had a run of bad games and needs to be dropped makes one a coward, but whatever floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndy1970 Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Yes he has had a run of bad games. To be honest he's frustrating as you can see the boy has talent, but a run of bad games does not warrant the public castration players get on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 To be fair he has been running at Austrian league defences for a while so it will take time to acclimatise in the EPL. I have faith that RK and LR could see they could develop him. After all the idea is that we do develop or polish non-finished articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Think he needs a more central role. He has plenty of pace and tricks, but doesn't have the vision or the discipline to play on the wing, his crosses and through balls have been poor generally. If he plays centrally he can concentrate on tricking through defences, rather than picking out crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 December, 2014 Share Posted 21 December, 2014 Especially after Yoshi disappointed his band of critics by shouldering in the third goal yesterday ! Haha Sums up Yoshida though doesn't it. Still good to know he is lethal in the box with a variety of body parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Thought he started really well and scored 2 good goals (**** off DGP), but missed a couple of sitters. Has been very poor in the main recently. Rightly benched on Saturday but I don't see a big lack of effort and that's all I ask. Some so called supporters should start to support rather than look for a scapegoat. The lad is young and for sure has ability. Be patient and get behind him and the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Thought he started really well and scored 2 good goals (**** off DGP), but missed a couple of sitters. Has been very poor in the main recently. Rightly benched on Saturday but I don't see a big lack of effort and that's all I ask. Some so called supporters should start to support rather than look for a scapegoat. The lad is young and for sure has ability. Be patient and get behind him and the team. They got his Sunderland goal spot on. The Sunderland player puts it in the net, not Mane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Thought he started really well and scored 2 good goals (**** off DGP), but missed a couple of sitters. Has been very poor in the main recently. Rightly benched on Saturday but I don't see a big lack of effort and that's all I ask. Some so called supporters should start to support rather than look for a scapegoat. The lad is young and for sure has ability. Be patient and get behind him and the team. This. I think he has loads of ability and can be a matchwinner when playing well. Was excellent early on then has struggled as we have as a team in the last month (Everton aside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 December, 2014 Share Posted 24 December, 2014 They got his Sunderland goal spot on. The Sunderland player puts it in the net, not Mane. Yep, Van Aanholt actually did him a favour, it was going horribly wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 24 December, 2014 Share Posted 24 December, 2014 Thought he started really well and scored 2 good goals (**** off DGP), but missed a couple of sitters. Has been very poor in the main recently. Rightly benched on Saturday but I don't see a big lack of effort and that's all I ask. Some so called supporters should start to support rather than look for a scapegoat. The lad is young and for sure has ability. Be patient and get behind him and the team. Not sure if im an idiot but does DGP mean dubious goal panel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 24 December, 2014 Share Posted 24 December, 2014 Thought he started really well and scored 2 good goals (**** off DGP), but missed a couple of sitters. Has been very poor in the main recently. Rightly benched on Saturday but I don't see a big lack of effort and that's all I ask. Some so called supporters should start to support rather than look for a scapegoat. The lad is young and for sure has ability. Be patient and get behind him and the team. When he scored against Stoke I thought it was a bit of a miss hit (although a good reaction nonetheless). Having seen his shooting in subsequent games I'm even more convinced of it. He was close enough to the goal that it stayed under the bar (just) but I actually think he got under it too much, as he has tended to do since, and was saved by the frame of the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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