maxnl Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Hello everyone! We are two Dutch students, writing a research paper on hooliganism in England compared to hooliganism in the Netherlands. In order to collect data about hooliganism in England, we have made a short survey of 10 questions about football and hooliganism. It only takes a minute to fill in, and it would be incredibly helpful to us! The link to the survey is:https://nl.surveymonkey.com/s/LX5JXJT. Thanks in advance!
Turkish Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 (edited) You've come to the right place pal. Southampton has long been known as the hotbed of football hooliganism in the UK. Milton Road end remains the only terrace in Britain never to have been "taken" by another club. Southamptons current firm, the DEF (Dell Elite Force) is a small but notrious group of elite hooligans who rule the terraces of Europe. They are widely regarded as the most violent thugs in England, with their fearsome reputation they rarely encouter any oppostion these days. In fact it's widely aknowledeged that oppositon hooligans lock themselves in their houses until the DEF have left when word spreads that they are in town. On the rare occasions they have met opposition then their opponents have ben routed. You may not read much about the DEF in other firm books, the likes of Millwall and West Ham would not want to include the numerous times they have been routed, just like the ancient world powers of Greece, Egypt, Rome, etc they only record their victories. Good luck with the studies and be sure you are speaking to the right people on the subject. Edited 5 December, 2014 by Turkish
Miltonaggro Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 FAO PompeyOnline The fantasy hooligan equivalent of Lord of the Rings!...
Dan Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Where is BBS when you need him. Ha ha, totally forgot about him.
Saint86 Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Hello everyone! We are two Dutch students, writing a research paper on hooliganism in England compared to hooliganism in the Netherlands. In order to collect data about hooliganism in England, we have made a short survey of 10 questions about football and hooliganism. It only takes a minute to fill in, and it would be incredibly helpful to us! The link to the survey is:https://nl.surveymonkey.com/s/LX5JXJT. Thanks in advance! Poor survey to be honest, you're first question is "are you a football fan", then you ask questions like who do you support, or does your team have a particular rival... If you answered no to the first question how do you proceed? Also its an irrelevant question to post on a football forum... You also require, "other" answers, as your I don't particularity agree with your options for the cause of hooliganism.
Wade Garrett Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Bobby Ryan, Steve Jewitt. Champions League hooligans in the 70s.
angelman Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 You've come to the right place pal. Southampton has long been known as the hotbed of football hooliganism in the UK. Milton Road end remains the only terrace in Britain never to have been "taken" by another club. Southamptons current firm, the DEF (Dell Elite Force) is a small but notrious group of elite hooligans who rule the terraces of Europe. They are widely regarded as the most violent thugs in England, with their fearsome reputation they rarely encouter any oppostion these days. In fact it's widely aknowledeged that oppositon hooligans lock themselves in their houses until the DEF have left when word spreads that they are in town. On the rare occasions they have met opposition then their opponents have ben routed. You may not read much about the DEF in other firm books, the likes of Millwall and West Ham would not want to include the numerous times they have been routed, just like the ancient world powers of Greece, Egypt, Rome, etc they only record their victories. Good luck with the studies and be sure you are speaking to the right people on the subject. LOL
kwsaint Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Yawn. Couldn't they have chosen something more worthwhile to study?
scotty Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 You've come to the right place pal. Southampton has long been known as the hotbed of football hooliganism in the UK. Milton Road end remains the only terrace in Britain never to have been "taken" by another club. Southamptons current firm, the DEF (Dell Elite Force) is a small but notrious group of elite hooligans who rule the terraces of Europe. They are widely regarded as the most violent thugs in England, with their fearsome reputation they rarely encouter any oppostion these days. In fact it's widely aknowledeged that oppositon hooligans lock themselves in their houses until the DEF have left when word spreads that they are in town. On the rare occasions they have met opposition then their opponents have ben routed. You may not read much about the DEF in other firm books, the likes of Millwall and West Ham would not want to include the numerous times they have been routed, just like the ancient world powers of Greece, Egypt, Rome, etc they only record their victories. Good luck with the studies and be sure you are speaking to the right people on the subject. :lol:
pap Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Did the survey, but tbh, don't really agree with any of the reasons for the decline in hooliganism. The average football fan has changed tons in the last 30 years. No longer a poor man's or a young man's pursuit. The recent survey on the average Saints fan bears this out. The other thing that has changed massively is attitudes to laddery and violence in general. My old man is one of the most intelligent people I know, someone that could have easily done Uni and more. Not sure that him, or many lads like him, were that interested in academia or non-laddish pursuits. I'm reasonably sure he liked getting into a ruck Forty years later, the geeks have inherited the Earth and the sort of things the old man and his pals got up to are seen as close to barbaric.
Plastic Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 It's all about leaded petrol, especially for you inner city dwellers. Unfortunately not an option.
Sour Mash Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Did the survey, but tbh, don't really agree with any of the reasons for the decline in hooliganism. The average football fan has changed tons in the last 30 years. No longer a poor man's or a young man's pursuit. The recent survey on the average Saints fan bears this out. The other thing that has changed massively is attitudes to laddery and violence in general. My old man is one of the most intelligent people I know, someone that could have easily done Uni and more. Not sure that him, or many lads like him, were that interested in academia or non-laddish pursuits. I'm reasonably sure he liked getting into a ruck Forty years later, the geeks have inherited the Earth and the sort of things the old man and his pals got up to are seen as close to barbaric. The question is right, CCTV, increased and improved policing, banning orders and all seater stadiums have had an impact, only significant thing they've missed out is ticket prices.
adrian lord Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 The causes question is seriously flawed. The reasons for it's decline question is also seriously flawed. (From a veteran of the legendary rows of old: Saints V Millwall '78 and Chelsea V Saints Oct 76)
Patrick Bateman Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 The question is right, CCTV, increased and improved policing, banning orders and all seater stadiums have had an impact, only significant thing they've missed out is ticket prices. My thoughts exactly!
Deano6 Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 The causes question is seriously flawed. The reasons for it's decline question is also seriously flawed. (From a veteran of the legendary rows of old: Saints V Millwall '78 and Chelsea V Saints Oct 76) Why did it decline then, O Lord? Sour Mash says the question got it right. Is he correct or are you?
cellone Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 This short thread asks and answers a few more questions that are relevant to the decline in hooliganism in football. I would add the rise in political groups from Left to Right being little more hands on and providing an outlet.
pap Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 The question is right, CCTV, increased and improved policing, banning orders and all seater stadiums have had an impact, only significant thing they've missed out is ticket prices. Banning orders have been instrumental in keeping the worst offenders away from the game and deterring people from getting into trouble, but the most important option was off the list. The average football fan has changed. My generation and below are all video gamers. Many of them haven't been in a fight outside of COD, and parents are wiser to this sort of stuff these days too. I just don't think there's as much interest in the old hooliganism these days.
Sour Mash Posted 5 December, 2014 Posted 5 December, 2014 Banning orders have been instrumental in keeping the worst offenders away from the game and deterring people from getting into trouble, but the most important option was off the list. The average football fan has changed. My generation and below are all video gamers. Many of them haven't been in a fight outside of COD, and parents are wiser to this sort of stuff these days too. I just don't think there's as much interest in the old hooliganism these days. Good to see you can speak for a whole generation
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Question - is it just football that has 'hooligans'? I rarely hear the term associated with random acts of violence outside football. Every time I see the words 'football hooligan' I just think 'lazy journalism'. Also it's very seventies - so usually a lazy journalist with a flared collar and bell bottoms. Wrong club, wrong era.
pap Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Good to see you can speak for a whole generation All is pushing it, but you know what I mean.
whelk Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Maybe since this Tory govt the happiness rating of the nation is so high people are content they have no anger anymore.
aintforever Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Think CCTV the police use of video is the main reason for the decline in proper football punch ups.
Secret Site Agent Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Did the survey, but tbh, don't really agree with any of the reasons for the decline in hooliganism. The average football fan has changed tons in the last 30 years. No longer a poor man's or a young man's pursuit. The recent survey on the average Saints fan bears this out. The other thing that has changed massively is attitudes to laddery and violence in general. My old man is one of the most intelligent people I know, someone that could have easily done Uni and more. Not sure that him, or many lads like him, were that interested in academia or non-laddish pursuits. I'm reasonably sure he liked getting into a ruck Forty years later, the geeks have inherited the Earth and the sort of things the old man and his pals got up to are seen as close to barbaric. The question is right, CCTV, increased and improved policing, banning orders and all seater stadiums have had an impact, only significant thing they've missed out is ticket prices. Sorry chaps but to be fair the reason for the drop in football hooliganism was Acid House,music,drugs,raves, everyone high on e's loving each other.
Sour Mash Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Sorry chaps but to be fair the reason for the drop in football hooliganism was Acid House,music,drugs,raves, everyone high on e's loving each other. Not really, bit of a cliched answer that. That whole scene had completely died down many years before the government thought it necessary to bring in football banning orders.
SW5 SAINT Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Think CCTV the police use of video is the main reason for the decline in proper football punch ups. All seater stadiums must another reason, for the decline of trouble inside grounds.
cellone Posted 6 December, 2014 Posted 6 December, 2014 Maybe since this Tory govt the happiness rating of the nation is so high people are content they have no anger anymore. Yeah that'll be it.
Grigsy Posted 7 December, 2014 Posted 7 December, 2014 Hooliganism in the real sense is almost entirely dead in this country. Sure there might be the odd scuffle, but not like the 70s and 80s. Wasnt the most recent Saints thing arranged online after a Charlton game? Pathetic and embarassing to be honest. Think I remember reading one was a teacher too.
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