Lighthouse Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 On the bright side, we've now gone to Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, lost by one goal and deserved a point in all of them. Perhaps at home those games would have swung the other way, who knows. A bitter pill to swallow but saw it coming after Toby went off. Just hope the queue outside the treatment room isn't too long after this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Andre Marriner - what do you expect... professionalism? The guy is a prize tit. The bias he showed towards Arsenal tonight was so obvious it was embarrassing. When Michael Owen says the same you know it's a bit obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Massive pat on the back for the shift put in by the lads. Still not impressed with Yoshida on for Cork. What change would you have made then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Very concerned about our injury situation now. We're a right old mess, pretty much in the space of a week. Deja vu, last season all over again, said many times that this would be an issue. We need a bigger squad for the December games when it is cold, injuries happen more often, especially hammies and games come thick and fast. But, fair play to Fraser, played very well tonight, made a string of top class saves. Nothing up front again, we really have lost our way in that department. Defence looked very sound again, at least until last few minutes, never felt too worried while we had 11 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Koeman is a. Erly good manager but what a mistake to take Long off and leave 2 wild cards on inMayuka and Mane. Ok great to gamble on a break away, but Long had done really well and we didn't need to roll the dice Long seemed to be carrying an injury since mid first half. Probably had to stay on longer than was good for him. Hope as a result he is not out for Monday as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Need a more progressive AM than Davis IMO. Hides a lot with his passing. Tidy, but pretty much a third DM, making a side that only have attacking presence on the flanks. Not saying he's a bad player, just not the right player for the role he's been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Exactly what happened last year. With Toby, Morgan & Cork out we are stuffed. Obviously Reed isn't quite tup here yet to get a game against Manure so what can we do? Yoshisan doesn't look good enough at this level and Fonte is looking increasingly shaky. Not quite meltdown but top four seems remote with this sort of luck. Sh.t! Top 4 was always pretty remote, to be honest. For mainly this exact reason we're seeing now. I think some people need to take a step back and recheck their expectations. During the summer and before the first game, most would have said they would be surprised but delighted to finish we we did last year - most predicted worse. We've had a start beyond anyone's wildest dreams which has given us a platform to maybe do 1 or 2 places better than last year, so let's not get away from that fact. We're doing a hell of a lot better than most thought, so there's not much to really moan about in the grand context of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Well played Saints gutsy performance. Only moan is struggle to score goals putting the defence under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Dammit, didn't feel like we were going to lose that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Time to either play the youngsters or bring someone in on a FREE otherwise it's just going to be curtains as all the good since the summer will be thrown away. What does this even mean? We might be down to fifth or sixth, or even seventh? That's 'curtains' is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 No luck tonight. Alderverweild was excellent. Thought Mariner was very poor. If Mayuka & Mane are our best substitutes then we are a mid table. Both were very poor tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Massive pat on the back for the shift put in by the lads. Still not impressed with Yoshida on for Cork. Agree i'd have much preferred Reed instead but can't fault effort that was put in. If Toby's hamstring had of gone a minute or so earlier we could have brought on Reed and likely kept a deserved point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 So tempted to cancel my BT Sport subscription tonight. . Couldn't have willed Arsenal to win more, a slight facade of impatiality but Owen's Attitude, no Southampton representative in the commentary (McManaman? What's he got to do with us?) They got the result they wanted. Will reflect further on this tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Gutting that injuries were the cause of the defeat rather than **** play from the team. Getting real worried about the depth of the squad. With tough games coming up these injuries are really gonna hurt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 First minute of injury time wasted with the ref sorting people out for the corner. Then wastes another 40 seconds with his f*cking spray, then blows the whistle 10 seconds after the free kick. 3 minutes of injury time given and we only played a minute and a half of it. Didn't deserve to lose. Nothing to do with Saints supporters chanting "the referee is S H I T" from when Cork was brought down. This chanting really seemed to niggle him. You can't expect favours thereafter. They should have had a go singing OWTS instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Mane is alright, just having a right old mare at the moment though. Mayuka, well, what the hell is that? He's horrendous. If there's only 1 thing we do in January, it's to ship him out and replace him with a better player (which wouldn't be hard) Got to shift out Mayuka, Osvaldo and Ramires in January and get in at least one PROVEN premier league standard offensive player in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Time to either play the youngsters or bring someone in on a FREE otherwise it's just going to be curtains as all the good since the summer will be thrown away. What youngsters do you suggest we play? Only Reed and Targett have been near the first team, and Targett is not needed because Bertrand is fine. Some people need to wake up and realise that the back up of youth of last season is not there this season. It has been apparent to some since the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Top 4 was always pretty remote, to be honest. For mainly this exact reason we're seeing now. I think some people need to take a step back and recheck their expectations. During the summer and before the first game, most would have said they would be surprised but delighted to finish we we did last year - most predicted worse. We've had a start beyond anyone's wildest dreams which has given us a platform to maybe do 1 or 2 places better than last year, so let's not get away from that fact. We're doing a hell of a lot better than most thought, so there's not much to really moan about in the grand context of it. This. Let's stop beating ourselves up about not having a 24 man squad of top quality top 6 superstars. We haven't, we never will have, ever, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Was that wanyama 5th booking tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 The squad are shattered at the moment, literally none of them have had a break with the exception of Bertrand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 So tempted to cancel my BT Sport subscription tonight. . Couldn't have willed Arsenal to win more, a slight facade of impatiality but Owen's Attitude, no Southampton representative in the commentary (McManaman? What's he got to do with us?) They got the result they wanted. Will reflect further on this tomorrow. You could protest really effectively by taking out a second subscription but never using it. That'll show 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Went on and off the stream but looked like a 0-0 until Alderweireld came off. We wuz robbed. Need vengeance on United on Monday. I'm looking forward to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Same story as last year, bad luck, injuries happening at the same time etc. lets hope we actually strengthen in January this year or it's gonna be another pointless second half of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Was that wanyama 5th booking tonight 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Was that wanyama 5th booking tonight BT Sport said it was his fourth but i wouldn't trust them as i thought Sky said his fourth was against Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 The squad are shattered at the moment, literally none of them have had a break with the exception of Bertrand. Was that wanyama 5th booking tonight Nope his 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 abc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Was that wanyama 5th booking tonight no 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 What change would you have made then? 1st decision - Reed for Cork. 2nd decision - Gardos for Cork. Watch what happens before the goal is scored. Giroud is placed on the feet of Yoshida, he's won the last three attempts. Fonte is drawn into sweeping up for Yoshida and is dragged across the penalty area, where Sanchez is the free man. This doesn't happen between him and Toby. Of course if we had eleven men it may be different but the trust issues between Fonte - Maya- Toby are very apparent when I watch a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 One thing I know is that yoshida isn't a blocking type of defender, 1st goal on the weekend he came out to block and missed and tonight he couldn't block the cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 You could protest really effectively by taking out a second subscription but never using it. That'll show 'em. Alternatively by starting a protest movement that got what it wanted, regardless of quantifiable effect..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Forster excellent. Mane in particular was useless, but Pelle, Tadic and to a certain extent Long were ineffective at best. Wanyama had a good game. Felt really sorry for Cork - one of a number of players that received no protection from the Ref against some dirty niggly fouls that Arse seem to get away with. Another result that the pundits will say "Saints were unlucky to lose that", when in reality we looked unlikely to win it due to being so ineffective in the final third. I dread to think what sort of team we'll field against ManUre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 OK, so anyone like to guess the team for manure ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Unlucky tonight but never actually looked like winning it either. What worries me more Is that's 3 games in a row we've looked incredibly toothless in attacking 3rd with no options on the bench to change it. How many shots on target in the last 3? 5 or 6 I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Reed obviously isn't good enough otherwise Koeman would play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Need to buy some players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 I hate to say it, my predictions for the games starting at Villa have proved right. Know all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 OK, so anyone like to guess the team for manure ? ----------Forster Clyne Fonte Gardos Bertrand -------Wanyama Davis Long------- Reed---------Tadic -----------Pelle That's what I want to see anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 1st decision - Reed for Cork. 2nd decision - Gardos for Cork. Watch what happens before the goal is scored. Giroud is placed on the feet of Yoshida, he's won the last three attempts. Fonte is drawn into sweeping up for Yoshida and is dragged across the penalty area, where Sanchez is the free man. This doesn't happen between him and Toby. Of course if we had eleven men it may be different but the trust issues between Fonte - Maya- Toby are very apparent when I watch a game. Nail on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Gardos in at defensive midfield i reckon on Monday (subject to injuries) and someone somewhere get 1 or more of our front 3 to be able to fire and can someone f*cking cross the ball or take a corner without hitting the first man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 OK, so anyone like to guess the team for manure ? forster clyne fonte yoshida bertrand davis gardos/reed wanyama tadic belle long though schneiderlin may be back hopefully he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 ----------Forster Clyne Fonte Gardos Bertrand -------Wanyama Davis Long------- Reed---------Tadic -----------Pelle That's what I want to see anyway... Hope Tadic is OK. Will Cork be Ok for Monday and I suppose we have to wait on news about Morgan and Toby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 1st decision - Reed for Cork. 2nd decision - Gardos for Cork. Watch what happens before the goal is scored. Giroud is placed on the feet of Yoshida, he's won the last three attempts. Fonte is drawn into sweeping up for Yoshida and is dragged across the penalty area, where Sanchez is the free man. This doesn't happen between him and Toby. Of course if we had eleven men it may be different but the trust issues between Fonte - Maya- Toby are very apparent when I watch a game. Talk about seeing what you want to see. There was a mass of players in at the near post yet you single out Yoshida. Yoshida actually won a great 50/50 with Giroud minutes earlier only for Marriner to give Arsenal the foul, notwithstanding the fact that that Giroud is among the best at cynically backing into players. There is no evidence whatsoever that Gardos and Reed (ffs) would have done any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Didn't see the game at all as on train - Was Pelle anonymous? No one mentioned him hardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Didn't see the game at all as on train - Was Pelle anonymous? No one mentioned him hardly. he did alright. got little joy from the ref. had one very good chance. In games like this, he needs to be miles better as he may only get 1 chance (like sunday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Didn't see the game at all as on train - Was Pelle anonymous? No one mentioned him hardly. Best performance since his last goal, i'd say. Just lacked a finish but only had two sights at goal, one from distance and one he snatched at - probably due to desperation at lack of goals. Wouldn't say any blame can be laid at his feet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Now we can all wait for the media to talk about how we're failing the tough tests we were expected to fail. But **** that. We didn't fail tonight. We got cheated through injury, another crap ref, and a desparate home team getting stick from their fans for their performance for 75 minutes. We really couldn't have done much more and we deserved the point we were robbed of. But **** happens, and the injuries ARE worrying. Our season shouldn't be defined by this week's results. Definitely think we'll be looking at a couple of squad additions in the January window now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 (edited) .... Edited 3 December, 2014 by Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Now we can all wait for the media to talk about how we're failing the tough tests we were expected to fail. But **** that. We didn't fail tonight. We got cheated through injury, another crap ref, and a desparate home team getting stick from their fans for their performance for 75 minutes. We really couldn't have done much more and we deserved the point we were robbed of. But **** happens, and the injuries ARE worrying. Our season shouldn't be defined by this week's results. Definitely think we'll be looking at a couple of squad additions in the January window now. Good lad! I like the spirit and agree that there are positives to be taken. Just so damn frustrating. We deserved that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Talk about seeing what you want to see. There was a mass of players in at the near post yet you single out Yoshida. Yoshida actually won a great 50/50 with Giroud minutes earlier only for Marriner to give Arsenal the foul, notwithstanding the fact that that Giroud is among the best at cynically backing into players. There is no evidence whatsoever that Gardos and Reed (ffs) would have done any better. Agree FFS why does Yoshida get blamed for everything? And everyone knows Reed is a brilliant midfielder without any evidence. Oh and ignore any poor performances from Gardos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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