thesaint sfc Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 What do we think are the long term plans for him? What with Rodrigues being out for so long I think it's a shame we didn't hang on to him and give him some more game time. Has anyone seen him play whilst at Hull? I can see he's not exactly set the world alight... Based on what he's produced and the amount he cost surely he must be one of our worst signings ever?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Quite clearly Koeman plays a system where all of the creativity comes from the wings and all of the midfield three need to be able to defend as well as attack so that very much leaves him out in the cold. Can't see him playing another game for us.
pangy Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 More frustrating that he never filled his potential,he has the ability to be a great player and the home game against Villa he ran the show. Maybe he is not suited for the prem,pity really as I really wanted him to succeed
S-Clarke Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 I don't think he'll play for us again, quite simply not suited to English football what so ever and has shown no signs that he's even close to adapting. Will be back at a club like Torino next summer I reckon.
saint-crinny Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Ah, we'll always have the Aston Villa and Newcastle home games. Injuries hampered him first up, then he wasnt Poch's cup of tea and clearly not Koeman's either. A real shame, as i will always maintain he is an excellent player, but i'm not sure he's cut out for the Prem - back to Italy or Spain and a decent career ahead of him would be the best move for all parties. I'll always hold on to the ridiculous excitement of the day he finally signed as well, genuinely thought we had arrived!
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 I'd have kept hold of him, as we're lacking strength in depth and would have given us the option of something different off the bench. It's not like he's been starting every game for Hull. But ultimately, I expect him to be sold to an Italian or Spanish team in the summer for £4-5m, he's just not quite suited to the English game and his career is stalling.
Dellman Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 No Italian club will pay him what we are paying him, so we are stuck till his contract runs out when we will get nothing
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 No Italian club will pay him what we are paying him, so we are stuck till his contract runs out when we will get nothing Him not wanting to give up his wages is the only thing I can see that would keep him on our books. Just depends how important that is for him versus his career completely stagnating.
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Would have been a better option than Mayuka to come off the bench on sunday so in that respect letting him go was a mistake. People saying he wouldn't defend, i disagree. I've definitely seen him track back for us in the past and get stuck in. Whatever happened to working with a player and getting them to adapt. I believe they call it management. Oh well, he'll be sold and forgotten about and in a couple of years time he'll sign for Inter or Juventus or PSG or some such for £20million+
the saint in winchester Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Reading your comments, this is depressing, but I can't lift the mood either. Agree he hasn't been effective in the Prem, and surely that is his own fault. Maybe he is the sort that needs a run of games or an arm around the shoulder and make to feel special, but I can't see him making a contribution at Saints, and his poor spell at Hull will put other Prem sides off. Will go back to italy or the continent somewhere, maybe back to South America, but if we are tied in to the contract, he is attached to us a la Tommy Forecast.
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 I thought it strange in the summer that he actually turned down Seville because he preferred to be eventually loaned out to Hull (that's what Seville said, he turned them down after everything was agreed), I mean what was that all about really, surely it can't be about money and Hull's European campaign was destined to be short lived.
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Would have been a better option than Mayuka to come off the bench on sunday so in that respect letting him go was a mistake. People saying he wouldn't defend, i disagree. I've definitely seen him track back for us in the past and get stuck in. Whatever happened to working with a player and getting them to adapt. I believe they call it management. Oh well, he'll be sold and forgotten about and in a couple of years time he'll sign for Inter or Juventus or PSG or some such for £20million+ I agree we should have held on to him as an option off the bench, but I don't think the club can be criticised for not managing or showing patience with him as a whole.
Turkish Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Shame really, he's clearly a very talented player, in his first season here he showed flashes of brilliance, I remember the game against Villa when he was outstanding and thought he'd go on to be an amazing signing who we'd then sell for £30m or £40m. Unfortuantely it never really carried on and he was probably the wrong signing at the wrong time, he never stayed fit for long and not really had a long run in the team to establish himself. Unfortuantely he's another big money signing that hasn't worked out for us.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Shame really, he's clearly a very talented player, in his first season here he showed flashes of brilliance, I remember the game against Villa when he was outstanding and thought he'd go on to be an amazing signing who we'd then sell for £30m or £40m. Unfortuantely it never really carried on and he was probably the wrong signing at the wrong time, he never stayed fit for long and not really had a long run in the team to establish himself. Unfortuantely he's another big money signing that hasn't worked out for us. Yeah, hard to disagree with this really. I've defended the guy a lot, but sadly I can't see it happening for him here. It's a shame, because there has been times where he has done some great stuff but for one reason or another things have just never clicked into place for him.
Saint Garrett Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Think we could really do with him right now with Tadic Mane and Pelle misfiring, would certainly rather have him on our bench than Hulls. Especially when our only "game changer" seems to be Mayuka and he is toilet.
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 (edited) Think we could really do with him right now with Tadic Mane and Pelle misfiring, would certainly rather have him on our bench than Hulls. Especially when our only "game changer" seems to be Mayuka and he is toilet. Perhaps Hull wouldn't be totally unpleased to send him back to us, still a move I don't understand. Seville would have been much better for him. Perhaps he'll get more game time at Hull when (and if) Bruce gets sacked. Edited 2 December, 2014 by Window Cleaner
once_bitterne Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 What do we think are the long term plans for him? What with Rodrigues being out for so long I think Rodrigues has been out for a long time tho. 37 years isn't it?
VectisSaint Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 (edited) Rodrigues has been out for a long time tho. 37 years isn't it? Dani only retired a couple of years ago, still only 34. Surely you weren't referring to Peter, he's even older than me (by a distance). I wonder whether the agreement to loan Gaston out at the last moment was a bit of a hasty decision by RK. Think he could still be a useful addition to the squad, playing in the hole. His big problem was that he gave away possession too often in my view, that and the fact he was always injured, jet lagged or other excuses (including family bereavement). He will be back next summer come what may, we'll see then what happens I guess, but would not be disappointed to see him back with us. Edited 2 December, 2014 by VectisSaint
OttawaSaint Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Seen him 3 or 4 times for Hull and he's the same old Gaston. Flashes of brilliance and then ruins it with poor decision making, dawdling on the ball or just flat out not really trying. I don't think we are missing much (apart from the big pile of money we pay him).
Super_Uwe Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 I always remember WGS using the term "propaganda football" once to describe one of our games where we did a lot of pretty stuff which ultimately led to nothing. Sadly that is the perfect description of Gaston; a propaganda footballer. You cannot deny that he has got great technique and looks so comfortable on the ball. But he just doesn't produce the goods anywhere near enough. Having said all that, he is our player after all, and if injuries, lack of form etc dictate, then he may well come back. We'll have to wait and see.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 What is it going to take for people to realise he is a complete and utter waste of money? I love all the " he is clearly talented" posts that appear every now and then . " Clearly" , he is not good enough . Mr Woo was talented and skilful but that doesn't make him a talented footballer and neither is Gaston. Clearly an over rated waste of money. Awaiting the " he was brilliant against Villa replies" lol.
Bobbyboy Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 I think the key thing is that even being a little short of attacking players back in August, Koeman appeared to have no hesitation in letting him go to Hull. So whatever we think of him and whatever he did against Villa, Koeman had a good look at him when he first arrived, including in Premier League situations, and made the decision to allow the loan move. It's possible non-playing factors are also at work (I don't remember what the wage situation is with his loan, or if we even know), but I remember being surprised enough at the loan move that I thought 'well Koeman obviously has no plans for him then'.
S-Clarke Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 All this ''could have done a job for us'' if he was still here and on the bench isn't really true, to be honest. We all hope he could, we all wished to hell he could make that pass we all say he can make....but the general reality is that he'd be pretty useless on our bench as he didn't influence things for us, just left on the wayside in the premier league. For me, he's never, ever the sort of player I'd want to bring on to change the course of a game we're struggling in. He'd hardly make an impact, which we saw time and time again. If we're winning and there's lots of space, maybe, but in tight games - no chance.
niceandfriendly Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Sadly that is the perfect description of Gaston; a propaganda footballer. You cannot deny that he has got great technique and looks so comfortable on the ball. But he just doesn't produce the goods anywhere near enough. I know what you're saying, but I don't know if we've seen enough of him to really make that judgement. We've only got 10/15 minute cameos and one or two starts to judge him. Not sure he was ever given a proper chance.
niceandfriendly Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 All this ''could have done a job for us'' if he was still here and on the bench isn't really true, to be honest. We all hope he could, we all wished to hell he could make that pass we all say he can make....but the general reality is that he'd be pretty useless on our bench as he didn't influence things for us, just left on the wayside in the premier league. For me, he's never, ever the sort of player I'd want to bring on to change the course of a game we're struggling in. He'd hardly make an impact, which we saw time and time again. If we're winning and there's lots of space, maybe, but in tight games - no chance. That's the very point though, bringing him on in the last 10-15 minutes often changed things for the better, with his vision passing and fluidity, which is even more baffling we didn't give him a proper start. I'm no Gaston lover, if he never plays for us again then so be it, but he clearly has talent and looked dangerous when brought on towards the end of games. So, it's a strange one.
Lets B Avenue Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 I thought it strange in the summer that he actually turned down Seville because he preferred to be eventually loaned out to Hull (that's what Seville said, he turned them down after everything was agreed), I mean what was that all about really, surely it can't be about money and Hull's European campaign was destined to be short lived. Hull were knocked out of Europe the week before GR signed for Hull. Which was on the last day of the transfer window (1st Sept) a couple of days after he came on at West Ham and played quite well IMHO. I was very surprised that we let him go after appearing to be in Ron' plans.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 but he clearly has talent and looked dangerous when brought on towards the end of games. So, it's a strange one. We should start Gaston bingo. " clearly has talent " " Aston Villa" " Dangerous when he came on" " tired from world cup/copa America/international football/no preseason." " Young" " In a foreign country" Any more? I do agree he looked" dangerous when he came on" a few times, unfortunately the danger was coinciding a goal after he'd given it away cheaply. Has their ever been a player so over rated after delivering such little value for money?
Jonnyboy Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 I could happily never hear his name again in my lifetime. It always feels like a new years day anticlimax.
Pastor Patrón Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 He's quality, I'd rather have him then Mane, Long or a knackered Tadic.
S-Clarke Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 He's quality, I'd rather have him then Mane, Long or a knackered Tadic. All 3 of those have done a hell of a lot more than he's ever done.
Pastor Patrón Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 All 3 of those have done a hell of a lot more than he's ever done. Less goals, less assists, less skill. Ramirez has 34 caps for Uruguay, quite clearly he's better. Tadic is the only one who's arguably better, hence saying knackered Tadic, he's a waste of space atm. Long's as average as everyone knew he was, Mane's garbage. Really dissapointed with Mane, I was set to be a fanboy because he has such a lulzy name but he's but he's ****. Tadic is the only one of our permanent signings from the summer who's actually worth the money.
S-Clarke Posted 2 December, 2014 Posted 2 December, 2014 Less goals, less assists, less skill. Ramirez has 34 caps for Uruguay, quite clearly he's better. Tadic is the only one who's arguably better, hence saying knackered Tadic, he's a waste of space atm. Long's as average as everyone knew he was, Mane's garbage. Really dissapointed with Mane, I was set to be a fanboy because he has such a lulzy name but he's but he's ****. Tadic is the only one of our permanent signings from the summer who's actually worth the money. Ok.
Noodles34 Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 Shame really, he's clearly a very talented player, in his first season here he showed flashes of brilliance, I remember the game against Villa when he was outstanding and thought he'd go on to be an amazing signing who we'd then sell for £30m or £40m. Unfortuantely it never really carried on and he was probably the wrong signing at the wrong time, he never stayed fit for long and not really had a long run in the team to establish himself. Unfortuantely he's another big money signing that hasn't worked out for us. Thats pretty sad when a fan's ambition for a player at his club is for the player to be sold for a decent price at a later date.
Edmonton Saint Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 We could certainly do with him and Osvaldo on the bench at the moment. We have nothing on the bench at the mo in terms of gamechangers, Foolish decision to let petty squabbles get in the way of business.
doddisalegend Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 We could certainly do with him and Osvaldo on the bench at the moment. We have nothing on the bench at the mo in terms of gamechangers, Foolish decision to let petty squabbles get in the way of business. So if you were assaulted at work you wouldn't have the problem with the guy who did it keeping his job and working with you every day because he was useful to have about. Team unity is more important than having a 2 goals a season striker on the bench.
Turkish Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 Thats pretty sad when a fan's ambition for a player at his club is for the player to be sold for a decent price at a later date. Its called realism pal.
thesaint sfc Posted 3 December, 2014 Author Posted 3 December, 2014 I'm still expecting us to re-sign Bale in January as a shock transfer so keep your realism to yourself Turk! ;-)
Noodles34 Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 Its called realism pal. so you're not a proper football fan then?
Trout-Tickler Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 All this ''could have done a job for us'' if he was still here and on the bench isn't really true, to be honest. We all hope he could, we all wished to hell he could make that pass we all say he can make....but the general reality is that he'd be pretty useless on our bench as he didn't influence things for us, just left on the wayside in the premier league. For me, he's never, ever the sort of player I'd want to bring on to change the course of a game we're struggling in. He'd hardly make an impact, which we saw time and time again. If we're winning and there's lots of space, maybe, but in tight games - no chance. Brilliant assist for AL in last years home game against West Brom when were really struggling to break them down. FWIW I think he's a half decent player but he just hasn't produced consistently since we bought him. Shame really but hey-ho....
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 An expensive mistake, and yet another lesson to all of those who easily get carried away. Reminiscent of the Steve de Ridder YouTube clips debacle.
thesaint sfc Posted 3 December, 2014 Author Posted 3 December, 2014 An expensive mistake, and yet another lesson to all of those who easily get carried away. Reminiscent of the Steve de Ridder YouTube clips debacle. I missed this youtube clips debacle - was there a compilation of how ****e he was for us or was it more people getting excited before we signed him from existing youtube videos?
VectisSaint Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 One of Mitchell's obviously Definitely. Poor old Spuds now they have our former head of recruitment, they will be **** (or more **** than they already are)
simo Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 Out of all our failed signings Gaston is the one that I wanted to work out more than the others ! We have all seen he can be really good just a shame it's only been on about 3 occasions
Mr X Posted 3 December, 2014 Posted 3 December, 2014 like others have said and several people warned before we signed him he simply isn't suited to British football and especially not the premiership! same as osvaldo get what we can for him which will be far less than half of what we paid and draw a line under it, they are both dead wood!
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 December, 2014 Posted 4 December, 2014 I missed this youtube clips debacle - was there a compilation of how ****e he was for us or was it more people getting excited before we signed him from existing youtube videos? How did you guess that? Oh wait, you've been on SaintsWeb longer than a day!
Turkish Posted 4 December, 2014 Posted 4 December, 2014 (edited) so you're not a proper football fan then? How do you work that out? Edited 4 December, 2014 by Turkish
david in sweden Posted 4 December, 2014 Posted 4 December, 2014 Saw him collect a red card a few weeks back. ......and I think that game was his " official " debut for Hull, previously he's been sub. quite a few times (when not injured).
david in sweden Posted 4 December, 2014 Posted 4 December, 2014 Less goals, less assists, less skill. Ramirez has 34 caps for Uruguay, quite clearly he's better. Tadic is the only one who's arguably better, hence saying knackered Tadic, he's a waste of space atm. Long's as average as everyone knew he was, Mane's garbage. Really dissapointed with Mane, I was set to be a fanboy because he has such a lulzy name but he's but he's ****. Tadic is the only one of our permanent signings from the summer who's actually worth the money. .....I think, quite a few of those are late sub-appearances, he rarely starts a game for Uruguay.
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