norwaysaint Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Or a bit of both? Tadic, Pelle and Mane. Very good players going through a minor lapse in form or average players coming off a burst of great form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Well, neither are average players. I think they're just having a dip, Tadic in particular is quite clearly class as we've seen, but he looks a bit off colour. After starting the season like a train, a dip will always raise questions as we've yet to experience many dropped points. All 3 will come good in the end though, and I predict we'll be worrying during the summer if we're able to keep hold of them. This is almost a complete mirror of the first half of last season, as I remember threads popping up regarding Shaw, Chambers, Wanyama as well at the time we started to drop off. Let's hope the 2nd half of the season is a bit better this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Its more a case of opponents having studied all three players and come up with a plan to nullify.. if you close Tadic quickly like Man City he struggles as he doesn't have pace. The next step is for these players to find other ways to penetrate; bound to happen as we are not 3rd for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 throw in the top players in the league (after a world cup etc) are starting to hit form. all the top sides won at the weekend (chelsea aside)....Tadic was the stand out player now he is one of the rest he is better than the last two games have shown, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Losing one game doesn't indicate a loss of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Losing one game doesn't indicate a loss of form. It does on Saintsweb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Or a bit of both? Tadic, Pelle and Mane. Very good players going through a minor lapse in form or average players coming off a burst of great form? The former, plus opposition are working them out as said. The latter applies much more to posters on SWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 1 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Losing one game doesn't indicate a loss of form. No, but not playing as well over the last few matches does. Would you say we're seeing the same form from Tadic in the last three as we saw in the earlier games? If the answer is yes, you've seen something I haven't seen, if the answer's no, well, that's a lapse in form isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Intensity of the PL starting to take its toll? Tough matches every week and a frenetic pace. I would say re Tadic that he has been a lot better st home than away over the whole season. Arsenal away in the cup he was superb but struggling to think of other away games he excelled in so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Tadic has probably been worked out by now. Happens to every top player in the league. City were yards faster than us yesterday, gave us no time on the ball. Somewhat reminiscent of Saints last season when we pressed relentlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 December, 2014 Share Posted 1 December, 2014 Or a bit of both? Tadic, Pelle and Mane. Very good players going through a minor lapse in form or average players coming off a burst of great form? All decent players playing against more difficult opponents who've now had a chance to scout their tendencies over a longer period. Plus a bit more fatigue from having to play our strongest XI (well, 13) in pretty much every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 December, 2014 Share Posted 6 December, 2014 I think we did well by being able to play a stable team with (more of less) the same players every week. The gradual influence of injuries, and a slow rate of recovery has partly led to the recent dip. First JWP was out, then Long ...took a battering in couple of games (yet still made the bench). Steven Davis absence in the Villa game was obvious, and he wasn't 100% v Man.City. when we also lost Schneiderlin..and I can't recall a time when we had three serious injuries in the same match. Cork now out for 6 weeks?....and both Long and Tadic were treated very badly at Arsenal (and totally unprotected by the ref)....and then we lost Alderweireld late on, too. Now teams have sussed that Pelle is our main goal threat, they can afford to put two defenders on him, (and three - at one stage v. Arsenal) to take him out of the game. He tries hard, but is outnumbered. Time for a re-think. The current injury list will force Koeman to make more changes, but how we cope with that .....until the January window opens, will tell us much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 24 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Wonder what people's opinions are now on these three? Our start last year was amazing, but at the time people were unsure if that was the team's real level and a temporary slump ensued, or if that was a burst of rare form and it settled back to a more realistic level. In December last year Tadic had been in a slump of poor form for a month or two, but people generally thought he would be as brilliant as he seemed at first. Did he ever really look as good again after September/October last year? What about Pelle, who was also looking off form after the start of the season, but still scored a few important goals. Is he class, or was it just a result of team form? Mane probably went the other way and started quietly, but ended up looking stronger. Was that just form or is he that good? This may have been done before, but I was just thinking how we rate last year's signings one year on. Can add Bertrand and Long to the list as well of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 (edited) I think we are showing the form predicted last season. but we all know we are capable of better than we currently show. Bertrand has been a very good signing. But at £10m you would hope so. good signing cedric, not so sure and then Martina. Not even getting a look in now. I kind of hoped someone like cedric would have been brought in to add competition not be (effectively) the starting RB long, can be very good and can be truly awful. I will always say that the price paid for him was way too much. Pelle. I honestly think he is pretty pants. little movement. poor with the ball at feet and just moans a huge amount. Sure, he will score some goals he is a decent striker. just amazed we are going into this season, with the net profit made again in fees as this man as our main striker. Someone who is more than capable of going 14 league games without a goal ffs....he rarely gets subbed either. Twice now in a year despite some horrendous showing is some games Mane has been excellent after I thought he looked like a donkey in his first few games Tadic is no where near as good as lallana. Showed form for about 9 weeks then totally off the boil. no where near good enough form to be a good premier league player. which is a shame. Hope he turns it around with the very much hit and miss form of those from Holland, I worry that clasie will just be nothing more than 'meh' for us obviously, I stand by for incoming Edited 24 August, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 One minute you say Pelle is pants and then you say he is a decent striker? Anyway, he can clearly play but strikers are only as good as the service they get. He did seem to lose confidence for a while last season but he will score goals again this season. There is clearly something not right with Tadic. The groin problem didn't help him last season and now there seems to be something else amiss. Clearly has quality and we need him back to his best. The comparisons with Lallana I don't get. I remember Lallana getting plenty of flak on here and in the end he only really had one decent season for us - the rest was very patchy. Mane was written off by many last season but has shown that he can worry Premiership defenders. He will be off for big money at some point in the future so enjoy him while you can. Feel sorry for Long. It is not his fault that we paid £12m for him and if we have paid £8m I doubt if he would get the stick that he does now. We are missing Bertrand. Quality player and more than adequate replacement for Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 lallana had one decent season at saints did you really just say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 I think we are showing the form predicted last season. but we all know we are capable of better than we currently show. Bertrand has been a very good signing. But at £10m you would hope so. good signing cedric, not so sure and then Martina. Not even getting a look in now. I kind of hoped someone like cedric would have been brought in to add competition not be (effectively) the starting RB long, can be very good and can be truly awful. I will always say that the price paid for him was way too much. Pelle. I honestly think he is pretty pants. little movement. poor with the ball at feet and just moans a huge amount. Sure, he will score some goals he is a decent striker. just amazed we are going into this season, with the net profit made again in fees as this man as our main striker. Someone who is more than capable of going 14 league games without a goal ffs....he rarely gets subbed either. Twice now in a year despite some horrendous showing is some games Mane has been excellent after I thought he looked like a donkey in his first few games Tadic is no where near as good as lallana. Showed form for about 9 weeks then totally off the boil. no where near good enough form to be a good premier league player. which is a shame. Hope he turns it around with the very much hit and miss form of those from Holland, I worry that clasie will just be nothing more than 'meh' for us obviously, I stand by for incoming This post is a bit all over the place. We're showing the form predicted of us, yet we know we can do better. So what was the form predicted of us? Pelle is pretty pants but is a decent striker? Seriously, have a re-read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 This post is a bit all over the place. We're showing the form predicted of us, yet we know we can do better. So what was the form predicted of us? Pelle is pretty pants but is a decent striker? Seriously, have a re-read! form predicted this time last year was that of a team down the bottom end of the table. which is what we are showing at the mo...but we are better than that (i hope) pelle is a 'decent striker'..I am being pretty generous. for a club like saints, with les reeds champions league aspirations and the fact we are in net profit for two years running in the transfer market, pretty disappointed he is our main man again. our famed black box could come up with a better striker than him ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Go back and read all of the criticisms about him over the years. There wasn't a great deal of interest in his signature from the big clubs until the 13/14 season. And do you care to qualify your quote about Pelle being pretty pants and then a decent striker in two sentences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Go back and read all of the criticisms about him over the years. There wasn't a great deal of interest in his signature from the big clubs until the 13/14 season. And do you care to qualify your quote about Pelle being pretty pants and then a decent striker in two sentences? lallana had one good season at saints jesus christ, wasnt he in the team of the year for 3 seasons whilst we went up (and in the prem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 lallana had one good season at saints jesus christ, wasnt he in the team of the year for 3 seasons whilst we went up (and in the prem) Is your point that all of the current side would look poor in the Championship and League One then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 You have been on here long enough to know that Lallana got plenty of stick for his performances on our way up to the Premiership. Where were Liverpool then. I said his performances were patchy. You still haven't responded to you comments about Pelle being pants and a decent striker. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 form predicted this time last year was that of a team down the bottom end of the table. which is what we are showing at the mo...but we are better than that (i hope) pelle is a 'decent striker'..I am being pretty generous. for a club like saints, with les reeds champions league aspirations and the fact we are in net profit for two years running in the transfer market, pretty disappointed he is our main man again. our famed black box could come up with a better striker than him ffs So Pelle is a decent striker but you are disappointed that he is our main man again? Would you rather we didn't have a decent striker? What about someone who plays up front for Italy...oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 24 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2015 It's actually fair to say that Lallana was fantastic during the season before he left, but was almost constantly criticised the season before that, if I remember correctly, although I often don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 It's actually fair to say that Lallana was fantastic during the season before he left, but was almost constantly criticised the season before that, if I remember correctly, although I often don't. You do remember correctly NS. He did get a lot of criticism on here before his breakthrough season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 24 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Well, his PL breakthrough at least, he was very popular and successful in the championship season, so there is that. I think you both understand what the other means already though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 It's actually fair to say that Lallana was fantastic during the season before he left, but was almost constantly criticised the season before that, if I remember correctly, although I often don't. You remember correctly. He was criticised a fair bit but he was injured and seemed to be adjusting to life in the prem as captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 All you need do is watch the Liverpool v Southampton match from the begining of last season and compare it to any match we have played since Feb 2015. We have gone from a tactically astute team that performed better than the team sheet suggests, to a group of individuals who are yet to read the tactics memo. Seriously lost our way. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 I am not going to say that the start of the season hasn't been a tad disappointing, but to pretend that we were brilliant all of last season is very far from the truth. We had some poor games then too. Lets wait until Bertrand, Clasie and our new CH join the team and see what happens then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 I am not going to say that the start of the season hasn't been a tad disappointing, but to pretend that we were brilliant all of last season is very far from the truth. We had some poor games then too. Lets wait until Bertrand, Clasie and our new CH join the team and see what happens then. I think more are worried about the trend of the tail end of last season continuing into this. No idea of cause or remedy but tactically we haven't got our act together. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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