Mr X Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 A poor goal keeper why is he in ahead of Boruc???? He is truly awful...always asleep always stood rooted to his line and never alert to what's going on in the game. Vulnerable to the ball over the top as he's always not watching the game and stood on his line. Some blame must go to the coaches for his continued similar mistakes. Dross watched him a lot now and he is poor..... This might be harsh but overall i havent seen that he is a 10m keeper so far (one good game at arsenal doesn't make you a good keeper), his main fault is indecision on his line and slowness to get down, not a terrible keeper 100% better than gazziniga and will improve but dont see that hes any better than boruc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Its quite simple... with Boruc in goal we would have won 1-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Lol, out they come from the woodwork again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Its quite simple... with Boruc in goal we would have won 1-0.im not sure Boruc would have stopped the first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 im not sure Boruc would have stopped the first Well, bad back pass as it was... Forster was still favourite if he had not stopped again. Everyone around us thought the same, and we were sat in an ideal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Well, bad back pass as it was... Forster was still favourite if he had not stopped again. Everyone around us thought the same, and we were sat in an ideal position. He was only really at fault for the second goal tbh, the first was a big mistake from Fonte and a good finish from rvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 One think Forster lacks is any sort of competition whatsoever at Saints. Silly scenario, need two who are PL capable like Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Palace, West Brom etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 One think Forster lacks is any sort of competition whatsoever at Saints. Silly scenario, need two who are PL capable like Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Palace, West Brom etc Apparently gaffer thinks differently and the people who thought Boruc needed competition not agree so does Forster or is it one rule for one player and another for other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Its quite simple... with Boruc in goal we would have won 1-0. Biruc wouldn't be in goal - he has found his right level in the Championship. A total liability in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Dreadful 2nd goal, Forster's incompetence has cost us tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Lol, out they come from the woodwork again. I never went away, even after his MOTM performance V Arsenal. Don't mistake me for a troll or a bed wetter, I was raving about Forster for 2 seasons before we signed him and was absolutely over the moon when we did, but he has been average at absolute best for us. Yes, he's made some fantastic saves - but I saw saves just as incredible when we were in league one. Most keepers have great reflexes, it's the decision making that separates the best from the rest and right now Forster is making all the wrong decisions. It's perhaps a bit ironic that Boruc threw a paddy and left and would probably be close to getting a chance if he'd stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Dreadful 2nd goal, Forster's incompetence has cost us tonight. What about Fontes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Dreadful 2nd goal, Forster's incompetence has cost us tonight. And Fonte's sloppy back pass, and Pellè's blast over the bar, and Long's missed opportunities, and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 What about Fontes? Forster could maybe have come for that too? If he had backed himself he might well have made it. His kicking is better than Boruc, but in terms of stopping goals I would have Boruc over him based on what he has shown so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 And Fonte's sloppy back pass, and Pellè's blast over the bar, and Long's missed opportunities, and... Doesnt fit with the bedwetting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 December, 2014 Share Posted 8 December, 2014 Forster could maybe have come for that too? If he had backed himself he might well have made it. His kicking is better than Boruc, but in terms of stopping goals I would have Boruc over him based on what he has shown so far. Fonte sold him down the river, if you come out at a striker I always found it easier to score unless the keeper catches you with the ball between your feet. I think its harsh to blame him for the 1st but he definately needed to dominate the cross for the second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster should have dealt with the 2nd goal. very poor on that front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Odd to see Forster getting so much sh*t when Fonte let us down big time for the 1st. And what about all of the f@rting around in the box instead of shooting? We could and should have had at least three goals. We are turning into Arsenal up front, trying to walk the ball into the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Boruc better keeper for me. Shocking from Forster tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Its quite simple... with Boruc in goal we would have won 1-0. How do you work that out? Assuming you are saying he would have saved from Fonte's mistake the rest of the match would have been totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Man of the match back to Substandard in the space of 5 days!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 I think Koeman has taken this one a bit too personally in the presser. I thought Fonte had a good game but a solid performance it always looks a bit worse after such a bad mistake. Rest of the team good, but I see the Pochettino syndrome of sideways and backwards passing in the final third is still around, and Pelle, Tadic, Mane (starting to doubt him) seem to have caught it way too easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 How do you work that out? Assuming you are saying he would have saved from Fonte's mistake the rest of the match would have been totally different. Re. first goal Carragher saying that Forster could have done better -that he hesitated when he should have come out to RVP and made himself bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 We need to sign another goalkeeper in January. Not to overtake Forster as first choice but to give him competition. Davis and Gazzaniga don't do that because they are nowhere near good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 We've had all this talk of Forster making the odd mistake and perhaps starting slowly, mixed in with praise for the odd good game (that more-or-less any keeper can have, including Gazzaniga) as well as the odd non-sequitur deflections talking about other players. The cold hard truth is that he just isn't very good. I'm not blaming him. I don't think he's playing within his ability or isn't trying his best. Its just that his best is very mediocre. We're in December now, he's had plenty of saveable shots go his way that he's let in; he's had plenty of chances to claim a ball in from a goal kick or corner. He's had plenty of chances to prove that the hesitation and mad charge off his line at Villa was a one-off. He just isn't that great. Boruc, the odd calamity aside, was (I think a superior), but at least an equal level of shotstopper and most certainly could communicate with the back four better and was infinitely, infinitely better in the air. Forster just isn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 *free kick or corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 A poor goal keeper why is he in ahead of Boruc???? He is truly awful...always asleep always stood rooted to his line and never alert to what's going on in the game. Vulnerable to the ball over the top as he's always not watching the game and stood on his line. Some blame must go to the coaches for his continued similar mistakes. Dross watched him a lot now and he is poor..... Did you post similar after the Arsenal game? Aren't you embarrassed making yourself look a tw at? Then again you are probably the sort that were on Pelle's back from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 We've had all this talk of Forster making the odd mistake and perhaps starting slowly, mixed in with praise for the odd good game (that more-or-less any keeper can have, including Gazzaniga) as well as the odd non-sequitur deflections talking about other players. The cold hard truth is that he just isn't very good. I'm not blaming him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 This thread has the potential to go golden, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 I'd like Artur back in goal, he may have the odd brain fart but he controls his area and projects a lot more confidence and authority that rubs of on the defence. Fraser looks like a good shot stopper but he's too timid for me, he's got to boss his area - get off his line and cut out opposition opportunities before they even start. IMO Artur would have come out for the first goal last night and made RVP's chance a lot harder and would have gobbled up the second before RVP even had the chance. He's miles better at knowing when to get off his line and snuff out opportunities before they even happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 He just needs to learn to command his box. Come for crosses which are hanging in the air for what seems like minutes. He's massive, why is he scared to come out? Especially with keepers overprotected nowadays. If he can learn this (surely, please?) then we'll have a good keeper on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 I think Koeman has taken this one a bit too personally in the presser. Really? I took it more as the sign of a winner, who saw blood, but didn't see his team take the opportunity. Of the three games, it as the one we could have won. I like the fact he's angry, and he's going to instil more winning mentality in the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Lets hope the fans do not turn on FF. I hope RK has a word with our goalkeeping coach and spends a week on FF dealing with positioning to sweep a long ball. His starting position is far too deep. Apart from that decision making FF is a decent keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster is a good keeper. His indecision however is an apparent weakness and cost us both goals last night. I couldn't help think about Peter Schmeichel last night and how he used to charge off of his line and scare the cr@p out of forwards, even if he was second favourite for the ball. Fraser is a massive guy. He needs to make the most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster is a good keeper. His indecision however is an apparent weakness and cost us both goals last night. I couldn't help think about Peter Schmeichel last night and how he used to charge off of his line and scare the cr@p out of forwards, even if he was second favourite for the ball. Fraser is a massive guy. He needs to make the most of it. Fonte was the cause of the first goal - Forster should have never been put in that position - if he hesitated it was probably because he didn't expect Fonte to be such a pillock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 He might be decent one day but right now hes nowhere near a 10million rated keeper, Celtic must have bit our hand off at that offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Lets hope the fans do not turn on FF. I hope RK has a word with our goalkeeping coach and spends a week on FF dealing with positioning to sweep a long ball. His starting position is far too deep. Apart from that decision making FF is a decent keeper Surely they already spend a fair amount of time working on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster should have done better but where was the marking? You cant just assume the keeper is going to deal with that ball and leave a player of Van Persie's class free at the far post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster should have done better but where was the marking? You cant just assume the keeper is going to deal with that ball and leave a player of Van Persie's class free at the far post. I haven't seen it again but my recollection is that there were a couple of others free round the back with RVP. John Boy Saint makes a good point about the led floodlights. That cross went very high before dropping beyond the far post and the glare may have dazzled some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 I haven't seen it again but my recollection is that there were a couple of others free round the back with RVP. John Boy Saint makes a good point about the led floodlights. That cross went very high before dropping beyond the far post and the glare may have dazzled some of them. There were two or three players free Whitey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster should have done better but where was the marking? You cant just assume the keeper is going to deal with that ball and leave a player of Van Persie's class free at the far post. Exactly .... Wanyama just watched as RVP strided onto Rooneys freekick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster is a good keeper and will be a great keeper for us. He should have taken command of the situation last night for the 2nd goal. but he is a good keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Fonte was the cause of the first goal - Forster should have never been put in that position - if he hesitated it was probably because he didn't expect Fonte to be such a pillock There's your problem right there – he’s currently got a problem with a combination of concentration/anticipation which puts his decision-making under-pressure and he is having to re-act to events rather than be pro-active and manage himself, his defence, his own space and the oppo players too (if he did those things more pro-actively he would find his concentration levels naturally improving). A top line keeper must expect the unexpected - 'what if?' scenarios if you will. 'He didn't expect Fonte to be a pillock' wouldn't stand up as an excuse in an u13 Sunday team. Fonte receives the ball, there isn’t much on, Fonte takes an extra touch and closes off his options, RVP is lurking clear of the CB’s and close to the line of any putative back pass - Forster needs to get active much quicker - get wide right to receive the ball from Fonte and take RVP out of the equation, or shout Fonte to get rid into touch, or shout Fonte that RVP is behind him etc. Worst case scenario – (What if….?) Fonte slips/miskicks/brain farts and the ball is played back down the line of RVP (which is exactly what happened) - Forster needs to know what he is going to do BEFORE this happens ... which parts of the pitch can he reach first? where is it 50/50? what will he do if the ball is played into that contested area? which areas of the pitch can RVP receive the ball unopposed? what will he do if that happens? etc etc. He has to make all these decisions BEFORE the event happens; his starting positions, his (lack of) anticipation, his re-acting to events, shows you this isn't happening. Once RVP received that ball unopposed, and Forster then made his little hesitation/indecision the moment where he may have prevented the goal was lost and it was pretty much a formality for RVP to walk it through/round/under/past him. Ditto the second goal, he had no 'plan' to deal with the scenario that unfurled, he stands passively in his goal and is then nut-megged from 3 yds - Gazza or Davis would be getting absolute pelters on here for that level of performance. We all want Forster to do well, unfortunately at the moment he’s coming up a little bit short of the standard required. Not sure where we go from here? There’s no viable alternative to give him a break at the moment so guess we will have to keep backing him while he learns on the job but he is a long way from the finished article at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 They had 2 shots on target. 2 goals. The keeper had the opportunity to get to both, but chose not to. Oh, and both goals went through his legs which indicate slow reactions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Should have done better with the second, but Van Persie was UNMARKED. That was the biggest issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Mouse Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 2015/2016 season goalkeeper kit revealed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Forster is becoming this seasons scapegoat then. He is still young for a keeper and will get better. Boruc was getting on and people seem to forget some of his clangers last season. The Villa goal seems to have dented his confidence. This is his first competitive season in the PL and he is only 26 (8 years younger than Boruc) and with more PL experience he'll get better and better. Still a great signing in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 There's your problem right there – he’s currently got a problem with a combination of concentration/anticipation which puts his decision-making under-pressure and he is having to re-act to events rather than be pro-active and manage himself, his defence, his own space and the oppo players too (if he did those things more pro-actively he would find his concentration levels naturally improving). A top line keeper must expect the unexpected - 'what if?' scenarios if you will. 'He didn't expect Fonte to be a pillock' wouldn't stand up as an excuse in an u13 Sunday team. Fonte receives the ball, there isn’t much on, Fonte takes an extra touch and closes off his options, RVP is lurking clear of the CB’s and close to the line of any putative back pass - Forster needs to get active much quicker - get wide right to receive the ball from Fonte and take RVP out of the equation, or shout Fonte to get rid into touch, or shout Fonte that RVP is behind him etc. Worst case scenario – (What if….?) Fonte slips/miskicks/brain farts and the ball is played back down the line of RVP (which is exactly what happened) - Forster needs to know what he is going to do BEFORE this happens ... which parts of the pitch can he reach first? where is it 50/50? what will he do if the ball is played into that contested area? which areas of the pitch can RVP receive the ball unopposed? what will he do if that happens? etc etc. He has to make all these decisions BEFORE the event happens; his starting positions, his (lack of) anticipation, his re-acting to events, shows you this isn't happening. Once RVP received that ball unopposed, and Forster then made his little hesitation/indecision the moment where he may have prevented the goal was lost and it was pretty much a formality for RVP to walk it through/round/under/past him. Ditto the second goal, he had no 'plan' to deal with the scenario that unfurled, he stands passively in his goal and is then nut-megged from 3 yds - Gazza or Davis would be getting absolute pelters on here for that level of performance. We all want Forster to do well, unfortunately at the moment he’s coming up a little bit short of the standard required. Not sure where we go from here? There’s no viable alternative to give him a break at the moment so guess we will have to keep backing him while he learns on the job but he is a long way from the finished article at the moment. You cannot possibly blame Forster for the first, that was entirely down to José. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Good keeper, I am very happy with his purchase. Much better distribution than Boruc although admittedly he has things to learn. At 26 he is practically a baby in goalkeeping terms so he has plenty of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 December, 2014 Share Posted 9 December, 2014 Should have done better with the second, but Van Persie was UNMARKED. That was the biggest issue. Exactly, it looked like Wanyama started tracking him and gave up, and the 'tater suggested he was actually Bertrand's target, and he'd stayed out holding a high line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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