Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 (edited) Is the Black Box the reason we are holding off on giving Cork a new contract? As a player he doesn't have the greatest attributes, but the sum of his attributes makes him a decent player. Is this why he has no contract, because we believe it won't be difficult to bring someone in who is better on the same wages as a new contract would place him on (for example, Jordy Clasie)? Interesting theory, no? Edited 22 November, 2014 by Unbelievable Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I'm with Jeff! I don't like to think of THE BLACK BOX as a small cinema with youtube clips and an excel spreadsheet, it's much more ethereal than that! There are mysteries in THE BLACK BOX which are beyond human understanding! I propose a regular Saintsweb series - What Mysteries Lurk In THE BLACK BOX? It can be like Twilight Zone. This week, the severed head of Jack Cork! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I was thinking it must contain some sort of lava lamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 November, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I'm with Jeff! I don't like to think of THE BLACK BOX as a small cinema with youtube clips and an excel spreadsheet, it's much more ethereal than that! There are mysteries in THE BLACK BOX which are beyond human understanding! I propose a regular Saintsweb series - What Mysteries Lurk In THE BLACK BOX? It can be like Twilight Zone. This week, the severed head of Jack Cork! Well one of the main things they said they used the analysis in the box for was comparing potential signings against current players. I am more than happy for people to disagree, just seems strange that no alternative reasons have been given. However, seeing the calibre of the posters who have swarmed to the thread I shouldn't really be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Black box or not, he is surely going to get a few more starts now, before he can sign for someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 What you're saying is we may have decided we can buy a better player than Jack Cork. That entirely possible. The fact that the black box is one of the tools we use to make those decisions doesn't make much of a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 November, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 November, 2014 What you're saying is we may have decided we can buy a better player than Jack Cork. That entirely possible. The fact that the black box is one of the tools we use to make those decisions doesn't make much of a difference I think that having the black box certainly facilitates that. Perhaps the reason is what I heard in the Summer then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I am more than happy for people to disagree, just seems strange that no alternative reasons have been given. Although players have not have contracts renewed before all this black box talk. I like many others find it hard to see why we haven't tied Cork down expect it maybe cos see Reed's or JWP's progress if it doesn't happen. Clasie isn't a black box thing either. People getting too sucked in by this it seems. It's just analysis - other clubs do it I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I thought we should have a song about the black box but I haven't finished my research. So far: (To the tune of good goals/big nose) Black box We've got a fookin black box Etc Or It stands at only (does anyone know the dimensions?) (The rest of the song has to rhyme with the dimensions) Still a bit of work to do. In answer to the OP - no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 The black box room is clearly a office with Fm2015 installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Troy Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 One of our clear processes in the club is the "pathway to the first team". I wonder if we feel we need to beg and pay high wages for cork when Reed is up and coming? Not saying I fully agree with it but it's a theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 No-one knows it's actual height Black box, black box It might suggest jack cork is ****e Black box, black box During the summer the deadwood left And it ensured we weren't bereft Black box, black box Final catchy line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 No-one knows it's actual height Black box, black box It might suggest jack cork is ****e Black box, black box During the summer the deadwood left And it ensured we weren't bereft Black box, black box Final catchy line 'Southamptons box machine'? Gives stats on the left Creates player profiles on the right Southamptons black box, says Jack Cork is sh*te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Well the thing is that Jack should just ride on time, ride on time, got to ride on time...... Gonna get up, gonna get up Gonna get up, whoa Gonna get up, gonna get up Gonna get up, ooho You just walk right in Walk, walk, walk right in and Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho If he dos this, he may just get a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I said last year of our midfield he is the most likely to be replaced, he is decent, a good allrounder but generally has no one attribute that sets him apart like some of the others. I dont think you need a black box to work that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Turns out Cork hasn't got what it takes to be a box to box midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Well the thing is that Jack should just ride on time, ride on time, got to ride on time...... Gonna get up, gonna get up Gonna get up, whoa Gonna get up, gonna get up Gonna get up, ooho You just walk right in Walk, walk, walk right in and Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho If he dos this, he may just get a new contract. Gonna boot up, gonna boot up Gonna boot up the Black, black, black box baby Gonna sign up, gonna sign up Gonna sign up The next big thing 'Cause it's right every time 'Cause it's right every time, right every time 'Cause it's right every time 'Cause it's right every time, right every time Let me tell you, let me tell you What you do What you do, what you do to me You're such a hot computer You just data right up Data, data, data right up Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho Ooho, ooho, black box baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Gonna boot up, gonna boot up Gonna boot up the Black, black, black box baby Gonna sign up, gonna sign up Gonna sign up The next big thing 'Cause it's right every time 'Cause it's right every time, right every time 'Cause it's right every time 'Cause it's right every time, right every time Let me tell you, let me tell you What you do What you do, what you do to me You're such a hot computer You just data right up Data, data, data right up Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho Ooho, ooho, black box baby Very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 No-one knows it's actual height Black box, black box It might suggest jack cork is ****e Black box, black box During the summer the deadwood left And it ensured we weren't bereft Black box, black box Final catchy line Your work seems to be progressing quite well. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Can anybody tell me what Jack Cork's development needs are? He is not such a hard man as Victor but then who is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Can anybody tell me what Jack Cork's development needs are? He is not such a hard man as Victor but then who is? The ability to realize someone is on top of him about to take the ball away and an emphasis on passing forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I said last year of our midfield he is the most likely to be replaced, he is decent, a good allrounder but generally has no one attribute that sets him apart like some of the others. I dont think you need a black box to work that out. Oh god, don't use the term "allrounder", Sour Mash didn't like it when I used a cricketing term.....didn't have the heart to tell him where "Hattrick" came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I can understand cork not signing if not first choice, but why no offer? That would mean we get a transfer fee. are you thinking of that rule bout youth bros? I don't think that would apply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I've often wondered what the Black Box would say about MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Thinking about it, if, for instance, the club sees a definate future in borh Prowse and Reed then it would make sense allowing Cork to move on and give them a positive avenue into the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 JWP already ahead of Cork for first 11 - until his injury. They must anticipate further progress for him too as still very young for his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 While I am very impressed with our set up, let's not project magical properties on the Black Box. It's a research and recruitment tool. Probably a very good one. I'm just glad they didn't name it "The Magic Player Finding Dragon Room" Too much mystique in a name like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Well the thing is that Jack should just ride on time, ride on time, got to ride on time...... Gonna get up, gonna get up Gonna get up, whoa Gonna get up, gonna get up Gonna get up, ooho You just walk right in Walk, walk, walk right in and Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho Ooho, ooho, ooho, ooho If he dos this, he may just get a new contract. Tapatalk forum loaded on this post when i entered this thread, at the same time it's playing on the radio. Freaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Is a black box something you suffer from after a night on the Guinness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Is a black box something you suffer from after a night on the Guinness? Um....You know what a box is? A black box is something you might find after a night on the Guinness, or any other beer.....Um.....Hell, I've had a couple of black boxes before now...........They are in my w@nk bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Is the Black Box the reason we are holding off on giving Cork a new contract? As a player he doesn't have the greatest attributes, but the sum of his attributes makes him a decent player. Is this why he has no contract, because we believe it won't be difficult to bring someone in who is better on the same wages as a new contract would place him on (for example, Jordy Clasie)? Interesting theory, no? It is a plausible idea but I would be surprised if we could get anyone with his attributes on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Is a black box something you suffer from after a night on the Guinness? I can confirm this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Um....You know what a box is? A black box is something you might find after a night on the Guinness, or any other beer.....Um.....Hell, I've had a couple of black boxes before now...........They are in my w@nk bank. Black Boxes are all pink inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Black Boxes are all pink inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 I rate Cork - he is often one of our better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Cork has just bought Paul Doswell's (Ex Saint) house. Suggests that he has got his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Next time CB Fry lols at a Turkish post, I'm gonna produce this image! It will be such a burn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Cork has just bought Paul Doswell's (Ex Saint) house. Suggests that he has got his contract Ill invite him up the Farmers Home for one then, or a run around the rec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Cork has just bought Paul Doswell's (Ex Saint) house. Suggests that he has got his contract But why no announcement by the club then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuki Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 I believe Ronald Koeman said that the contract situation of Cork would be looked at in November/December so you would think he will be asked about it soon. Yuki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 But why no announcement by the club then? I don't think they generally comment on house sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 We just need to ride on time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 23 November, 2014 Share Posted 23 November, 2014 Cork has just bought Paul Doswell's (Ex Saint) house. Suggests that he has got his contract Never been an ex Saint called Doswell do you mean old eastleigh manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 25 November, 2014 Share Posted 25 November, 2014 After last night's game v Villa many are saying it would have been a lot better if Cork had replaced Davis and obviously he is highly regarded by the majority of fans including me. But with Koeman admitting that they are already working on a new deal for Clyne it is evident that a new contract for Cork is just not on the table either now or the future. Big big mistake I reckon. He is a 10m player who will leave for nought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 25 November, 2014 Share Posted 25 November, 2014 After last night's game v Villa many are saying it would have been a lot better if Cork had replaced Davis and obviously he is highly regarded by the majority of fans including me. But with Koeman admitting that they are already working on a new deal for Clyne it is evident that a new contract for Cork is just not on the table either now or the future. Big big mistake I reckon. He is a 10m player who will leave for nought. Or if Davis doesn't play, JWP does (when fit) and in the near future Reed will be pushing for the same spot. I don't blame us for not rushing into this negotiation. FWIW, I hope he does stay particularly if we do end up with sort of European football next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 25 November, 2014 Share Posted 25 November, 2014 Unless the rumours of Classie are true in which case would be excellent. Need a midfielder who can link the final third play quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 November, 2014 Share Posted 25 November, 2014 I'm starting to lean towards the suggestions that Cork is victim of an over-crowded squad area (midfield) rather than not being considered up to standard by 'the management' per se. As some people have alluded to, the club's philosophy is to have a clear pathway into the 1st team for academy graduates (JWP and Reed for example) and we've simply got too many decent senior midfielders blocking that pathway at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 25 November, 2014 Share Posted 25 November, 2014 I'm starting to lean towards the suggestions that Cork is victim of an over-crowded squad area (midfield) rather than not being considered up to standard by 'the management' per se. As some people have alluded to, the club's philosophy is to have a clear pathway into the 1st team for academy graduates (JWP and Reed for example) and we've simply got too many decent senior midfielders blocking that pathway at the moment. No way Trousers, if the youngsters are good enough they force their way through soon enough and usually by the time they are 18. Jack Cork is the Fred Kemp of his day. Loved by the fans but not rated by the management. Tony Funnell was another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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