SarniaSaint Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Anyone know what's going on?? Thought I saw him on crutches on the last "Match Day Uncovered" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Updates from the man himself right here... http://instagram.com/samgallagher40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Am I the only one that just doesn't rate him? I don't think he has the attributes to become a top divison striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 How old is he, someone remind me please? Not sure I have seen enough of him yet, plus he is still pretty raw with time to learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.JonB Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Am I the only one that just doesn't rate him? I don't think he has the attributes to become a top divison striker. He's only played a few games for us. Most people didn't rate Pelle after that few amount of games..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Updates from the man himself right here... http://instagram.com/samgallagher40 Holy christ, those boots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Looked fine when I saw him in town yesterday afternoon. Certainly no obvious injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Updates from the man himself right here... http://instagram.com/samgallagher40 Sad to see what is important to the modern day young football player. Likes polishing his Merc when the sun shines. I know that it might be unimportant. Conversely I quite like this young man - http://instagram.com/prowsey16 - "Little bit of relaxation today after training with a nice afternoon walk!" It has been said that Prowsey has one of the best attitudes towards the game that you could possibly hope for. Anyway, it does seem from SG's instagram that he has recently had an operation, so best of luck recovering. Am I the only one that just doesn't rate him? I don't think he has the attributes to become a top divison striker. No you're not. From the games that he played last season, he was way off the grade. However, you have to trust the club. They know what they are doing. They have brought him through, given him a long contract etc, so they obviously think that he has the makings of a PL striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 is he, umm, you know ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Am I the only one that just doesn't rate him? I don't think he has the attributes to become a top divison striker. No, you arent alone He has potential I think but is out of his depth at this level in all honesty. Needs to go out on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 For a big CF he is very young. He is two years or more younger than Harry Kane. JayRod was being loaned out from Burnley to stirling Albion at his age and not even started scoring for Burnley. Danny Ings was just starting his Bournemouth career. The age that Pelle and Lambert started scoring shows players develop at different rates. He should be a decent, lower prem/champ forward at least but maybe a top player Far too early to right him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickylambert Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Sam's had an op on his leg recently, and won't be back until after Christmas. For those of you who said he should go out on loan both Bournemouth and Celtic were interested in taking him on loan, but he wanted to stay at Saints and fight for a first team space. as "NickG" said JRod was playing at Stirling, whilst Sam's was courted by Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifter Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 He has pace for a big man. To be a top striker he needs to prolific in front of goal and hopefully that will happen sooner in his career than later because he may get opportunities when/if Pelle needs a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Give him a chance, I have seen enough to gauge there is potential there. He had a tough year with his father's passing and now this injury, the lad needs support and patience. We might end up being rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 He'll end up being a regular top division starter in time. I do wonder quite what some people are watching sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Wasnt it Fonte who was comparing him to Ibrohimivic. He see's him train - we dont. Here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 What has been the matter with him and why the operation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Wasnt it Fonte who was comparing him to Ibrohimivic. He see's him train - we dont. Here's hoping. As I said, the club have shown that they know what they are doing, and giving him a 5 year (?) contract shows that they have faith in him. I have faith in the club, so hope to see him develop and flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 I thought he looked pretty impressive on his Arsenal debut (I think?). Caused their CB's issues most of the evening, was impressive. Should have scored, of course, but you have to look further than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 He has pace for a big man. To be a top striker he needs to prolific in front of goal and hopefully that will happen sooner in his career than later because he may get opportunities when/if Pelle needs a rest. This. You don't find many strikers his size with athleticism. His finishing was very raw when he broke into the first XI but after his debut hat-trick, so was Shearer's for about a season-and-a-half at least. No guarantee of course that he'll turn into a top quality 15 goal target man but there were signs of many of the key ingredients last term. As S Clarke says, the Arsenal back four didn't enjoy facing him much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 For me I like to look at technique, and I just haven't been overly impressed with his. Just my opinion - maybe I have spent too much time watching SRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Thought he looked promising vs Everton last season. Mind you Everton provided the finishing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 Am I the only one that just doesn't rate him? I don't think he has the attributes to become a top divison striker. What do you think he's missing? He's tall, reasonably strong, quick, good feet, can dribble enough, decent in the air, works hard closing down, a good finisher at youth level and is pretty agile. Plus he seems to have his head screwed on and I haven't seen anything to suggest he doesn't take tactics on board. He didn't score many at the end of the season but we were pretty dire and uncreative and going through the motions in attack by then, and he looked lively and not any more out of place than Lambert did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 For me I like to look at technique, and I just haven't been overly impressed with his. Just my opinion - maybe I have spent too much time watching SRL. At the same age Lambert had better technique at screwing lids on jars of beetroot than he did on a football pitch. Give him time, he'll come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 At the same age Lambert had better technique at screwing lids on jars of beetroot than he did on a football pitch. Give him time, he'll come good. I am more than happy for him to prove me wrong, I just haven't seen anything to make me thing he's much better than, for instance, Matt Paterson (dons tin hat)... There is a reason we want Harry Kane when they are similar players, it's cos he's not that good. Kane is pretty overrated as well, but that always happens to English players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 What do you think he's missing? He's tall, reasonably strong, quick, good feet, can dribble enough, decent in the air, works hard closing down, a good finisher at youth level and is pretty agile. Plus he seems to have his head screwed on and I haven't seen anything to suggest he doesn't take tactics on board. He didn't score many at the end of the season but we were pretty dire and uncreative and going through the motions in attack by then, and he looked lively and not any more out of place than Lambert did. I don't think he is and will ever be a good enough finisher. McGoldrick and Best were excellent finishers at youth level, but these players always find their level eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickylambert Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 I don't think he is and will ever be a good enough finisher. McGoldrick and Best were excellent finishers at youth level, but these players always find their level eventually. He is very well rated by the club, just look at the contract he signed? He's a different level to McGoldrick and Best, he's better. Maybe not world class, but certainly a potential 15-20 Prem goals a season man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 I don't think he is and will ever be a good enough finisher. McGoldrick and Best were excellent finishers at youth level, but these players always find their level eventually. Even though the stats say otherwise, I still find it incredible that McGoldrick scored goals, his technique was appalling and he only seemed able to kick a bouncing ball or pass one that bobbled. Obviously there's a lot of scope for his success or otherwise at this point, but if he works hard, he's not going to get better examples of what he needs to do to be successful as a modern target man than Lambert and Pelle. He's got at least as much as Beattie had for the first couple of years with Saints, and he did very well to make as much as he could from a far more limited skillset than Gallagher has already shown. The days of just getting better by being fitter are pretty much over nowadays though. Gallagher showed some superb finishing skill against the Skates kiddies in the demolition, but... yeah, not the Premier League by some distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 He is very well rated by the club, just look at the contract he signed? He's a different level to McGoldrick and Best, he's better. Maybe not world class, but certainly a potential 15-20 Prem goals a season man. I have to disagree with that, I have not seen anything that says to me he is better than those two players. I can't see him scoring 15 goals in the Prem in a season as he doesn't take our penalties. From what I have seen, he just doesn't seem to have the ability. But I would love to see him prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 (edited) Updates from the man himself right here... http://instagram.com/samgallagher40 Looking more and more like Joe McElderry by the day. He spend lots of time with his Arsenal mates Chambers and Oxo. Obviously intent on jumping ship as soon as they give him a contract. Edited 19 November, 2014 by ART Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 a couple of starts last season and around a dozen subs. in the last 10 minutes..not much to go on. Difficult to judge anyone on the strength of that, so I go with the majority on here. He's still young and needs games at a better level before we start to comment on his eventual Prem. status Historically, many of our best strikers who came through the ranks took time to develop and become regular scorers - even back to Martin Chivers in the early 1960's. Mick Channon popped up with that famous debut goal aged 18, but then only played a handful of matches in the following two seasons, before becoming regular, and it still took him time to get goals. Similar with Matt Le Tissier, his legendary League Cup match when we beat Man U. at The Dell was good enough to get Ron Adkinson fired, but MLT didn't establish himself for another season or two, Alan Shearer with his hat-trick v. Arsenal, but managed only 3 goals in over 30 games in the following two seasons...and only really got goals in his last year (before move to Blackburn.) James Beattie (admittedly not a Saints product) who came aged 20 ....had a highly forgettable two seasons.... before he began scoring and people started to take notice. Don't think we should discuss Sam's status /ability too quickly...and perhaps not even after his first full season. He needs time to develop and hopefully, the management will grant him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 (edited) You forget to mention Kevin Phillips who was released as not being in contention. Took him another 5 years before he re-emerged. PS Channon was 17 when he got into the first team, not 18. I watch every one of his games in the Reserves and like many others sang his praises at first team games till Ted brought him in. Edited 19 November, 2014 by ART Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 November, 2014 Share Posted 19 November, 2014 You forget to mention Kevin Phillips who was released as not being in contention. Took him another 5 years before he re-emerged. PS Channon was 17 when he got into the first team, not 18. I watch every one of his games in the Reserves and like many others sang his praises at first team games till Ted brought him in. You're right ART...probably closer 17½ y.o. (on quick reckoning).....Mick was born in late November, I think? as a matter of interest, I saw quite a lot of Reserve games in that period (was stupid enough to get a job that meant I had to work some Saturdays) and remember well many of the " young stars " who burnt out and didn't make the cut at 18. It's tough having to let a player go, when young and unproven, but surely worse when he makes the grade with another club. Kevin Phillips was a prime example....and **Dennis Wise, too. NOTE: ** It's a fun " pub-quiz " question . Which Saints player made his first team debut ....20 years after he first played in the Reserve side? HAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 On one hand we're praising all the analysis done at the club...and then based on a few first game outings, judging the kid's future... The club believes he'll make it...who knows whether he'll develop/ or return from a tough year..but pretty harsh to judge his technique/ future at this stage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 Maybe, but Ive seen a lot of players at a lot of levels, and I dont think Ive called many wrong. With the obvious exclusion of McGoldrick who I commented may make a half decent CM rather than trying to play as a main striker (and if he wasnt so bloody lazy) Do I think SG has potential, possibly, but I see him at the moment ending up at Championship level consistantly unless there is a noticeable improvement over the next few years. He just doesnt seem to have it yet. But then plenty can happen over the next few years for him, but the most important thing for him is games. Hopefully we will get some back up to enable that. As right now (if he was fit) waiting around for half a game every now and again isnt helping us or him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Premier League Golden Boot winner 2017/18. Get your bets in now lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Maybe, but Ive seen a lot of players at a lot of levels, and I dont think Ive called many wrong. With the obvious exclusion of McGoldrick who I commented may make a half decent CM rather than trying to play as a main striker (and if he wasnt so bloody lazy) Do I think SG has potential, possibly, but I see him at the moment ending up at Championship level consistantly unless there is a noticeable improvement over the next few years. He just doesnt seem to have it yet. But then plenty can happen over the next few years for him, but the most important thing for him is games. Hopefully we will get some back up to enable that. As right now (if he was fit) waiting around for half a game every now and again isnt helping us or him. All that money wasted on the Black Box, when all they had to do was register here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 I think it's telling that we haven't signed a backup for Pelle. In the recent news releases about the training facilities it has been mentioned that as part of the scouting, we scout our own players and compare our youth players against targets to make sure we aren't bringing in players from outside on top of emerging talent. I believe the club rates Gallagher as the natural backup to Pelle (when he's fit) and that's why we haven't signed someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 All that money wasted on the Black Box, when all they had to do was register here. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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