bungle Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Ha. Reading this thread was the most depressing bit of the day as it is filled with idiots who don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 McGoldrick hasn't scored in 10 games, BWP has our only three goals in the last 7 games and is left out again. In 1959/60 we won the league, hardly made a change, travelled by train or coach, played on mudheap, no grass pitches. The players had no problem. Our team, play on lawns, are pampered, allegedly far fitter then old time players, play with a light ball they can't kick, injured regularly, play fewer games each, they are taking the pi**. Skacel and Surman scored at Burnley, but yes our lack of goals is just appaling. When Saga gets back I'd play him up front with either BWP or Skacel. In the real world I can't see that happening and we're going to be thin on goals from a long time. Ha. Reading this thread was the most depressing bit of the day as it is filled with idiots who don't have a clue. Oh do tell us where we are going wrong, we're all dying to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 McGoldrick hasn't scored in 10 games, BWP has our only three goals in the last 7 games and is left out again. In 1959/60 we won the league, hardly made a change, travelled by train or coach, played on mudheap, no grass pitches. The players had no problem. Our team, play on lawns, are pampered, allegedly far fitter then old time players, play with a light ball they can't kick, injured regularly, play fewer games each, they are taking the pi**. Skacel and Surman scored at Burnley, but yes our lack of goals is just appaling. When Saga gets back I'd play him up front with either BWP or Skacel. In the real world I can't see that happening and we're going to be thin on goals from a long time. Ha. Reading this thread was the most depressing bit of the day as it is filled with idiots who don't have a clue. Oh do tell us where we are going wrong, we're all dying to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Once again SFC have completed its obligation to its supporters by providing a team in order to fulfil a football fixture.End of . Nicely put, but may I suggest a slight amendment: Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC once again ensured SFC completed its obligation to its supporters by providing a team in order to fulfil a football fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Once again SFC have completed its obligation to its supporters by providing a team in order to fulfil a football fixture.End of . Nicely put, but may I suggest a slight amendment: Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC once again ensured SFC completed its obligation to its supporters by providing a team in order to fulfil a football fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippysaint Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 F**k Off Lowe, you C**T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippysaint Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 F**k Off Lowe, you C**T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 There is no crisis , we will win this league, Jan will deliver a win we have goal scorers by the shed load Rupert is re uniting the fans Genius, pure genius!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 There is no crisis , we will win this league, Jan will deliver a win we have goal scorers by the shed load Rupert is re uniting the fans Genius, pure genius!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adethorne Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Just back from game and i've finally had enough, plus i've got fookin manflu, Bah Humbug!! Yes we had more possession, played some pretty stuff which is totally useless unless there is an end result which there isn't. I'm fed up of hearing it!!!!!!!!!! Can't really be arsed to comment on players, it appears some tried their best and aren't good enough, others just went through the motions to receive their wage packet. Olly was at fault for first goal with a lazy pass? back to their winger who then lobbed it into the centre for an unmarked header, Kelvin was p!ssed at least there was some emotion there. Never handball for their penalty hence 3 or 4 booked straight after. After that plymouth took foot of gas and consequently we looked better, but still couldn't score in a brothel. Highlight of day apart from Ryan Smith who at least in the 2nd half tried taking on there fullback was Jan attempt of doing a martin o'neill impression over the penalty decision, oh thats right he didn't, the batteries and sensors on this muppet will not allow for any sudden movement. Well done to the 1000 or so saints fans there today, credit to the club again. Does anybody know why the 3 or 4 lads were escorted out of the ground, all at different times, strange? Oh well, Bring on Reading, can not see anything else than an embarrassing thumping, at least we will go down in style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adethorne Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Just back from game and i've finally had enough, plus i've got fookin manflu, Bah Humbug!! Yes we had more possession, played some pretty stuff which is totally useless unless there is an end result which there isn't. I'm fed up of hearing it!!!!!!!!!! Can't really be arsed to comment on players, it appears some tried their best and aren't good enough, others just went through the motions to receive their wage packet. Olly was at fault for first goal with a lazy pass? back to their winger who then lobbed it into the centre for an unmarked header, Kelvin was p!ssed at least there was some emotion there. Never handball for their penalty hence 3 or 4 booked straight after. After that plymouth took foot of gas and consequently we looked better, but still couldn't score in a brothel. Highlight of day apart from Ryan Smith who at least in the 2nd half tried taking on there fullback was Jan attempt of doing a martin o'neill impression over the penalty decision, oh thats right he didn't, the batteries and sensors on this muppet will not allow for any sudden movement. Well done to the 1000 or so saints fans there today, credit to the club again. Does anybody know why the 3 or 4 lads were escorted out of the ground, all at different times, strange? Oh well, Bring on Reading, can not see anything else than an embarrassing thumping, at least we will go down in style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 I have said that in all fairness any manager should have until at least Christmas to prove himself. At the time I was fairly confident that as the kids gained experience and as Jan himself gained experience of the Championship that things would turn and our results would start to improve. That has simply not proved to be the case. The defence are still making the same errors as they did at the start of the season and on top of that the forwards and midfield seem to have forgotten that the point of the game is to score goals. Something has to change and at the moment I think that immediate responsibility has to rest with the manager. Whether Lowe was right or wrong in his decision to appoint him, I happen to believe that with a couple of decent centre backs, this team could do quite well but, as it is, they seem to have completely lost what confidence that they had. I am seriously worried about Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 I have said that in all fairness any manager should have until at least Christmas to prove himself. At the time I was fairly confident that as the kids gained experience and as Jan himself gained experience of the Championship that things would turn and our results would start to improve. That has simply not proved to be the case. The defence are still making the same errors as they did at the start of the season and on top of that the forwards and midfield seem to have forgotten that the point of the game is to score goals. Something has to change and at the moment I think that immediate responsibility has to rest with the manager. Whether Lowe was right or wrong in his decision to appoint him, I happen to believe that with a couple of decent centre backs, this team could do quite well but, as it is, they seem to have completely lost what confidence that they had. I am seriously worried about Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 "I'm disappointed with the result but not with the team's performance because they showed that they had what it takes to get a result," I have to take my hat of to JP even after getting beat again he comes out with this... *Spin or what..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 "I'm disappointed with the result but not with the team's performance because they showed that they had what it takes to get a result," I have to take my hat of to JP even after getting beat again he comes out with this... *Spin or what..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Does anybody know why the 3 or 4 lads were escorted out of the ground, all at different times, strange? They asked to be taken out of the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Does anybody know why the 3 or 4 lads were escorted out of the ground, all at different times, strange? They asked to be taken out of the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Ha. Reading this thread was the most depressing bit of the day as it is filled with idiots who don't have a clue. Go back to playing with Zippy, George, and Geoffrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Ha. Reading this thread was the most depressing bit of the day as it is filled with idiots who don't have a clue. Go back to playing with Zippy, George, and Geoffrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 (edited) I was at the game and thought we played alright. Certainly an improvement on the last three performances at least. Shame we didn't really create enough clear cut chances to get back in the game mind you. Edited 26 December, 2008 by Papa Shango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Why no Jake Thomson? Never seen Smith do anything. Just want to see us scoring regularly so we feel we can always get back into games. At the moment, we concede, we've lost. Smith was probably our best player today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Just got back. I am utterly depressed. I can't see us scoring between now and May to be honest. Best player: Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StubbSaint Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 just got home from game and plymouth were awful and we were worse cant see where next win is coming from with that dutch joker in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanco Saint Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 (edited) Easy - sell our best players in jan to keep the club afloat, then mount a huge run to scrap in to the play offs. Believe:p:p:p Edited 26 December, 2008 by Blanco Saint well scrap or scrape your choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Smith was probably our best player today. interesting that you and a few others have picked him for our best player. I thought he was pretty poor to be honest. Was unsure what his role was meant to be because i dont recall many if any crosses from the by line. Sometimes i felt it was BWP in disguise when he does the cut in field then lose the ball thing. Im not being too critical of the lad as he has hardly played any games at all. But i think Holmes and Smith have the same problem as lots of the others, just dont seem to have many options when on the ball, nowhere to go and no-one to pass to, need more support from the front man and from the central midfielders. If i had to rate him from 1 to 10 i would give him a 5. My choice for best player would of been Davis again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 I have to disagree with the analysis above. Smith provided us with a continued outlet particularly in the second half. He made the Plymouth Centre back look distinctly average on a number of occassions. I think the problem is that when the cross comes into the box nine times out of ten there is only Mcg in there against two or three defenders. I look back at the WGS team - our most successful in recent times - when we had one out and out wide man (FF) and Chris Marsden on the other flank. We also played with two up front which provided a much greater threat in the box. One of those strikers was also extremely good in the air (James Beattie). A cheaper version of him (even someone like Rory Fallon) would do wonders in our team. I think our priority is a towering centre back and a target man up front (money permitting - it may be time to sell to get these players in). And possibly if it isn't asking too much...4-4-2!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Also - did anyone else look at Jan during the game? At key moments (i.e. substitutions etc) it did not even look like he was calling the shots. His coaching team were much more involved. And in the first half Alex Pearce got called to the bench (presumably to come on) 4 or 5 times in quick succession, after Surman got injured. It looked to me like the staff just don't know what they are doing...I maybe wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Well I think its time to chant on sunday.. We want Poortvliet out. But tbh we won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Southampton Nil. 4-4-2 Portvliet, you ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 It's so frustrating to see Portvliet persist with what seem to be losing tactics in this division with our current squad. He seems to think it will come good, but it just gets worse...! Granted, we don't really have a squad that is capable of doing much at all, but we need to get back to basics and get a balanced formation out on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Well I think its time to chant on sunday.. But tbh we won't. Correct. Same old, same old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Has Portvliet been sacked yet? He has to go.... I reckon he will go on 5th Jan after we get humiliated in front of the whole world 0 -13 by Man U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 not bothered posting after yesterday until now not much else to be said really...even a team below us are changing manager last week I felt sorry for Jan...but now, I am starting to loath him JAN OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Everyone is claiming play 442 but who is ths other striker they are thinking we should play? Paterson, Robertson are guff and BWP is much more of a winger nowadays than a striker. This formation suits our players much more than 442. Its just our players are guff and inconsistent. I dont understand why people think we should be higher, we were in this posistion last year and we have lost our best players since then. What do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Everyone is claiming play 442 but who is ths other striker they are thinking we should play? Paterson, Robertson are guff and BWP is much more of a winger nowadays than a striker. This formation suits our players much more than 442. Its just our players are guff and inconsistent. I dont understand why people think we should be higher, we were in this posistion last year and we have lost our best players since then. What do you expect? why...is it because he has played a handful of games there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 why...is it because he has played a handful of games there.. No. Because thats where his qualities suit. He gets the balls, runs, can go past players, i'd say he was best played as a winger in a 433. Even if we did play him as a striker with McGoldrick, there is nothing up there different to suggest a change in fortunes. We either need a big man to play upfront with one of them or stick with what the players are suited too and hope one striker pulls a miracle out the bag and starts scoring. That man could be Saga. I think he'd get alot of chances in this formation, its just whether he can finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Everyone is claiming play 442 but who is ths other striker they are thinking we should play? Paterson, Robertson are guff and BWP is much more of a winger nowadays than a striker. This formation suits our players much more than 442. Its just our players are guff and inconsistent. I dont understand why people think we should be higher, we were in this posistion last year and we have lost our best players since then. What do you expect? Pick any 2 from BWP, Saganowski, Skacel, Euell, Paterson or (preferably not) DMG and Robertson. We played 4-4-2 when we beat Reading, with DMG playing slightly deeper than Robertson. Worked pretty well then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 we have often, the previous seasons, played two up front -but with one playing much behind other -what we are calling one up front this year. More about players not being good enough /playing well enough than formation imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 we have often, the previous seasons, played two up front -but with one playing much behind other -what we are calling one up front this year. More about players not being good enough /playing well enough than formation imho. Quite right. Keegan often played slightly behind Moran, etc, etc. And as for our players not being good enough or coached well enough, who is to blame for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 just got home from game and plymouth were awful and we were worse cant see where next win is coming from with that dutch joker in charge I seem to recall you've been calling Jan the "Dutch Joker" since he was appointed and got a lot of stick for it. I wonder how many are now eating humblepie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 I have to disagree with the analysis above. Smith provided us with a continued outlet particularly in the second half. He made the Plymouth Centre back look distinctly average on a number of occassions. I think the problem is that when the cross comes into the box nine times out of ten there is only Mcg in there against two or three defenders. I look back at the WGS team - our most successful in recent times - when we had one out and out wide man (FF) and Chris Marsden on the other flank. We also played with two up front which provided a much greater threat in the box. One of those strikers was also extremely good in the air (James Beattie). A cheaper version of him (even someone like Rory Fallon) would do wonders in our team. I think our priority is a towering centre back and a target man up front (money permitting - it may be time to sell to get these players in). And possibly if it isn't asking too much...4-4-2!!!!! I expect the Plymouth centre back is distinctly average, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 when people moan at out attendances...have a look at how many turned up athome park yesterday... the club should be bloody thankful that as many turn up as they do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 I reckon he will go on 5th Jan after we get humiliated in front of the whole world 0 -13 by Man U. The game is on Setanta not Sky so there will be no worldwide audience to see us defeat United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Pick any 2 from BWP, Saganowski, Skacel, Euell, Paterson or (preferably not) DMG and Robertson. We played 4-4-2 when we beat Reading, with DMG playing slightly deeper than Robertson. Worked pretty well then. Are you sure? Wasn't it that one of the wingers just couldn't hold his position, and continually drifted in (i.e McGoldrick)? Fortuitous, accidental 442 perhaps, but JP won't learn from that. His formation discourages attacking play from fullbacks and if the midfielders don't attack the box with speed, you'll be always crossing to a lone striker, with no-one to feed off knockdowns (even if we had someone who could win something in the air). Our version of 433 or 451 is just too rigid, and if that's the players fault then find an effin system their lack of flexibility can at least cope with. I thought this was called coaching and tactical nous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Are you sure? Wasn't it that one of the wingers just couldn't hold his position, and continually drifted in (i.e McGoldrick)? Fortuitous, accidental 442 perhaps, but JP won't learn from that. His formation discourages attacking play from fullbacks and if the midfielders don't attack the box with speed, you'll be always crossing to a lone striker, with no-one to feed off knockdowns (even if we had someone who could win something in the air). Our version of 433 or 451 is just too rigid, and if that's the players fault then find an effin system their lack of flexibility can at least cope with. I thought this was called coaching and tactical nous. Looked like a 4-4-2 a bit to me. Or at least 4-4-2 which had grown up near Chernobyl and hadn't received the best of medical treatment. Our problem with the 4-2-3-1 formation is the 3 just don't know what they're supposed to be doing. The two wide men especially tend to drift inside and offer no width, whilst at the same time not providing any shooting threat. The guy in the middle and the one up front are goal shy duds, namely DMG, Robertson or Euell. I think the formation could work IF we use the correct players: - - - - - - - - Davis - - - - - - - James - Perry - Lancashire - Mills - - - - Surman - - Cork - - - - - Lallana - - - Skacel - - - Holmes - - - - - - Saganowski - - - - - - It CAN work BUT we need good players, and they need to stick to their roles. In particular Holmes and Lallana need to stay wide. For Holmes I doubt this will be a problem, but Lallana needs to accept that his place in the team is as a winger, not a striker. Rigidity isn't the problem, it's rigidly sticking to a role which doesn't contribute to attacking play. I'd still prefer 4-4-2, but our current formation could work if Portaloo knew what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesusnick Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I thought we were ok! I went with my bro, who hasn't been to a saints match since Mark Falco put four past us for QPR in 1987 or something (when we were pretty good - anyone remember that?!). He said he could see how depressing it must be watching saints at the moment, because while we seem to play better football (in midfield) and look good in posession, we defend like we've never played before and our strikers can't/won't/don't shoot. We lost 2-0 to a team who we outplayed for a lot of the time and we were refused a penalty when we should have got one. Plymouth's big advantage was a lumbering (but goal aware) centre forward and a full complement of "if in doubt, boot it out" defenders, all more than happy to clear to safety when we crossed/shot or tried a long ball over the top. When Chris Perry plays for us, you can immediately tell who he is - he's the one who looks like he's done it before... The worst thing about it for me was so many of our "fans" were far too interested in abusing our chairman, players and manager once we went 2-0 down. I'm not a psychologist, but chanting abuse at them is unlikley to improve the performance during the game, or subsequently. And finally.... can people please stop asking for JP/RL to resign, be sacked etc. We haven't got any money for anyone new and the credit crunch means we can't borrow any and if we did it could bankrupt us - this would be much worse than going down to League 1. Of course JP and his plucky bunch of young total footballers will avoid this anyway, so its a moot point. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I thought we were ok! I went with my bro, who hasn't been to a saints match since Mark Falco put four past us for QPR in 1987 or something (when we were pretty good - anyone remember that?!). He said he could see how depressing it must be watching saints at the moment, because while we seem to play better football (in midfield) and look good in posession, we defend like we've never played before and our strikers can't/won't/don't shoot. We lost 2-0 to a team who we outplayed for a lot of the time and we were refused a penalty when we should have got one. Plymouth's big advantage was a lumbering (but goal aware) centre forward and a full complement of "if in doubt, boot it out" defenders, all more than happy to clear to safety when we crossed/shot or tried a long ball over the top. When Chris Perry plays for us, you can immediately tell who he is - he's the one who looks like he's done it before... The worst thing about it for me was so many of our "fans" were far too interested in abusing our chairman, players and manager once we went 2-0 down. I'm not a psychologist, but chanting abuse at them is unlikley to improve the performance during the game, or subsequently. And finally.... can people please stop asking for JP/RL to resign, be sacked etc. We haven't got any money for anyone new and the credit crunch means we can't borrow any and if we did it could bankrupt us - this would be much worse than going down to League 1. Of course JP and his plucky bunch of young total footballers will avoid this anyway, so its a moot point. COYR. Well said mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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