Tadic v lallana

[pap]

Leave Chapel End Charlie alone, chaps. As his film reviews show, he's a bit behind the times. He'll probably be posting in 2045 saying Lallana is a c××t or whatever. MechaTurkish will say "who?"

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Why can't you answer his well laid out points?

 

What are theses 'well laid out' points then?

 

1> Adam promised to stay.

If you watch the award ceremony interview you will see that he says he will always love the club and that he hopes both he and the club can keep on progressing. All I can say is that if that amounts to a hanging offence on here now then that's a pretty sorry state of affairs.

 

2> Reassuring Club officials he hadn't spoken to Liverpool and was open to staying'.

I see no evidence at all offered here as to this 'reassurance' claim or indeed when contact was first made with Liverpool.

 

3> Badge kissing

Oh come on.

 

4> Alleged 'Poor attitude' from suspiciously unnamed source

Well as he had just been voted our player of the season perhaps all players should do the same then.

 

5> Mark Clattenburg

I suppose I could care less what this appalling excuse for a ref says ... but I'd have to try hard.

 

6> World Cup comments

Methinks we are 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' here aren't we?

[Sour Mash]

I should avoid attempts at humour if I was you because you're really not very good at it, and what you choose to depict as 'slavish devotion' I regard as a respect for the truth and a recognition of a fine players contribution to the club. Not considerations that seem to much bother you.

 

But here we are over 1900 views on this thread now and not one piece of actual proof provided by his many accusers as to Lallana's supposed guilt. So long on accusation and short on facts as we obviously are then, you too are cordially invited to provide any proof what-so-ever that Adam promised to stay here forever milliseconds before leaving for Liverpool.

 

I await your reply with interest.

Do you have a problem with our Captain dreaming of playing for the opposition?

[hypochondriac]

What are theses 'well laid out' points then?

 

1> Adam promised to stay.

If you watch the award ceremony interview you will see that he says he will always love the club and that he hopes both he and the club can keep on progressing. All I can say is that if that amounts to a hanging offence on here now then that's a pretty sorry state of affairs.

 

2> Reassuring Club officials he hadn't spoken to Liverpool and was open to staying'.

I see no evidence at all offered here as to this 'reassurance' claim or indeed when contact was first made with Liverpool.

 

3> Badge kissing

Oh come on.

 

4> Alleged 'Poor attitude' from suspiciously unnamed source

Well as he had just been voted our player of the season perhaps all players should do the same then.

 

5> Mark Clattenburg

I suppose I could care less what this appalling excuse for a ref says ... but I'd have to try hard.

 

6> World Cup comments

Methinks we are 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' here aren't we?

 

You do realise that guan posted continuously itk comments over the entire summer and as such has a proven source within the club? Why would you think he is making it up? Just accept that you are in a very small minority or saints fans who hero worship Adam (or a relative) and let's leave it there.

[Verbal Kint]

What are theses 'well laid out' points then?

 

1> Adam promised to stay.

If you watch the award ceremony interview you will see that he says he will always love the club and that he hopes both he and the club can keep on progressing. All I can say is that if that amounts to a hanging offence on here now then that's a pretty sorry state of affairs.

 

2> Reassuring Club officials he hadn't spoken to Liverpool and was open to staying'.

I see no evidence at all offered here as to this 'reassurance' claim or indeed when contact was first made with Liverpool.

 

3> Badge kissing

Oh come on.

 

4> Alleged 'Poor attitude' from suspiciously unnamed source

Well as he had just been voted our player of the season perhaps all players should do the same then.

 

5> Mark Clattenburg

I suppose I could care less what this appalling excuse for a ref says ... but I'd have to try hard.

 

6> World Cup comments

Methinks we are 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' here aren't we?

 

Why do you think the club gave him, after 10+ years service having been an academy graduate, a 2 sentence statement when he left unlike the tributes paid to some of the others? Does that not strike you as odd?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Do you have a problem with our Captain dreaming of playing for the opposition?

 

Well I'm interested in our players, but what they do in bed is their business

[Sour Mash]

Well I'm interested in our players, but what they do in bed is their business

Righto

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Why do you think the club gave him, after 10+ years service having been an academy graduate, a 2 sentence statement when he left unlike the tributes paid to some of the others? Does that not strike you as odd?

 

Lots of 'odd' stuff went on last summer and I doubt anyone not privy to what went on behind closed doors will ever know the full facts of the matter.

[Sour Mash]

Lots of 'odd' stuff went on last summer and I doubt anyone not privy to what went on behind closed doors will ever know the full facts of the matter.

But why do you think other players got such tributes and Lallana didn't?

[Verbal Kint]

Lots of 'odd' stuff went on last summer and I doubt anyone not privy to what went on behind closed doors will ever know the full facts of the matter.

 

Don't be so naive. Nobody is that ****ing stupid. Clearly just on a wind up

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

But why do you think other players got such tributes and Lallana didn't?

 

I don't know - do you?

 

What I do know is that Adam came here at the tender age of 12 and devoted the next 14 years of his young life to the service of this club. To my way of thinking all those years of brillent football matter a hell of a lot more than any he said/she said stuff that might have gone on during the final weeks before he left for Liverpool.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Don't be so naive. Nobody is that ****ing stupid. Clearly just on a wind up

 

Well if you are in a position to know all the ins and outs of the Lallana transfer then please enlightened the forum and provide your sources. In the meantime I don't jump on bandwagons and I seldom accuse people of stuff that is not proven.

[Verbal Kint]

I don't know - do you?

 

What I do know is that Adam came here at the tender age of 12 and devoted the next 14 years of his young life to the service of this club. To my way of thinking all those years of brillent football matter a hell of a lot more than any he said/she said stuff that might have gone on during the final weeks before he left for Liverpool.

 

You give him a nice clap when comes back then. Everyone else will be giving him the worst reception of any ex player for the last 20 odd years. Hopefully Wanyama lets him know early on what sort of game he's in for

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You give him a nice clap when comes back then. Everyone else will be giving him the worst reception of any ex player for the last 20 odd years. Hopefully Wanyama lets him know early on what sort of game he's in for

 

Mate I have a healthy ego, but even a old big head such as I would hesitate to claim that I speak for 32.000 Saints fans.

[hypochondriac]

Mate I have a healthy ego, but even a old big head such as I would hesitate to claim that I speak for 32.000 Saints fans.

 

The vast majority disagree with you.

[Colinjb]

Mate I have a healthy ego, but even a old big head such as I would hesitate to claim that I speak for 32.000 Saints fans.

 

Do f**k off.

 

How that little rat treat the club will never stop being a source of aggravation. He shat on us.

 

Players can leave a club well, Rickie managed it, Adam chose to be a weasel. F**k him.

[hypochondriac]

Do f**k off.

 

How that little rat treat the club will never stop being a source of aggravation. He shat on us.

 

Players can leave a club well, Rickie managed it, Adam chose to be a weasel. F**k him.

 

You speak for me!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

The vast majority disagree with you.

 

Perhaps they do. But I can only hope that the vast majority of people are sufficiently worldly wise to understand that people have been known to change their minds before and that sometimes change is a necessary aspect of life.

 

Adam has moved on - do try not to take it personally my fellow Saints fans because I pretty damn sure that was not his intention.

[Patrick Bateman]

Mate I have a healthy ego, but even a old big head such as I would hesitate to claim that I speak for 32.000 Saints fans.

 

You really are in a minority with that one.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Do f**k off.

 

 

Do calm down.

[Colinjb]

Perhaps they do. But I can only hope that the vast majority of people are sufficiently worldly wise to understand that people have been known to change their minds before and that sometimes change is a necessary aspect of life.

 

Adam has moved on - do try not to take it personally my fellow Saints fans because I pretty damn sure that was not his intention.

 

It does not work like that. Football wouldn't encourage such emotion, passion and gravity if it did. If football was just business it would be background noise, you cannot encourage such favour, revel in it and then dismiss a transfer such as that as a simple career progression.

 

He is a rat.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You really are in a minority with that one.

 

I'm in a minority for still likening Adam, or I'm in a minority for not claiming to speak for thousands of people I've never met?

[Colinjb]

Do calm down.

 

Care to address the whole of my comment rather then just one point?

[Lorne Malvo]

You really are in a minority with that one.

 

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It does not work like that. Football wouldn't encourage such emotion, passion and gravity if it did. If football was just business it would be background noise, you cannot encourage such favour, revel in it and then dismiss a transfer such as that as a simple career progression.

 

He is a rat.

 

You feel that players must show undying devotion to clubs, even after 14 years of service, but when it suits clubs to get rid of them they can be sold off or otherwise disposed of without sentiment.

 

As systems go this does not seem to be the most equitable of ones does it?

[Colinjb]

You feel that players must show undying devotion to clubs, even after 14 years of service, but when it suits clubs to get rid of them they are sold off or otherwise despised of without sentiment.

 

As systems go this does not seem to be the most equitable of ones does it?

 

I feel they should respect the clubs they depart when they have benefited greatly from being there, it is a two way street, of course, yet when you decide that you are done, you do not simply **** off the club, because you also **** off the thousands of people that were there, willing you you to do well.

 

When thousands of people sing your name, you are not just a statistic. To expect otherwise is naive. A board is one thing, a crowd is quite another...... Emotion is key in football, it's why it is something we all love. Do not feed off it then expect it to turn the other cheek. Adam Lallana made the crowd feel worthless, he became the mercenary. Football is emotion..... this is why it's a global sport.

 

It hurts because we loved him, he made it clear that was meaningless. He could have done better, yet he treated it as just business.

 

F**k him.

[hypochondriac]

You feel that players must show undying devotion to clubs, even after 14 years of service, but when it suits clubs to get rid of them they can be sold off or otherwise disposed of without sentiment.

 

As systems go this does not seem to be the most equitable of ones does it?

 

You may have had a point if you were at another club but saints have made a point of assisting their unsuccessful players to get a club further down the leagues. We have generally treated our cast-offs with respect and helped them. Shame Adam couldn't have acted the same and he will be abused when he plays here. Quite right too.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It does not work like that. Football wouldn't encourage such emotion, passion and gravity if it did. If football was just business it would be background noise, you cannot encourage such favour, revel in it and then dismiss a transfer such as that as a simple career progression.

 

He is a rat.

 

Well I just don't accept your interpretation of events - this should be clear to all by now - and I suspect I loved watching Adam play just as much as anyone else either on here or at St Mary's did. But what I do find to be truly 'naive' are those fans who, even after years spent watching the game, still seriously expect players to put clubs before the interests of their career or indeed their own family. I wish he had stayed but Adam was looking after what he thought to be his own best interest - just like most people would in his situation.

 

Now perhaps directing their anger at former players who have now left serves a deep emotional purpose within some fans that is a useful outlet for their repressed rage - I on the other hand go to a game to enjoy the company of good friends and to watch the football.

 

I don't think Adam is a 'rat' and I doubt most decent fans do in their hearts of hearts.

[NickG]

Can I suggest that those getting frustrated with Charlie's attitude and posting, have a read through some of his posts from the summer and decide whether he is rational and knows much about football.

 

I don't get this Lallana "devoted" 12 years of his life crap. He was playing football, for by far the best club within best part of 100 miles and becoming a very rich young man at the same time. Best of luck to him but hardly missionary work!

 

He was a good player for us. No doubt about it. I've never met him but can't say he comes across particularly well as a good character.

 

He clearly dealt with his departure badly, with little respect or class hence the ill-feeling.

 

And guess what, football fans are emotional about that sort of thing!

 

Tadic v Lallana? I enjoyed watching Lallana play, he was entertainin, however it appears Tadic could well be a significant improvement. He may not be here long. He also appears, from his attitude on the pitch and interviews a decent bloke - although clearly don't know much about him.

 

What sets Tadic ahead are two things, he plays with his vision up, sees the game better - hence the assists etc. He also appears physically fitter and stronger.

[Colinjb]

Well I just don't accept your interpretation of events - this should be clear to all by now - and I suspect I loved watching Adam play just as much as anyone else either on here or at St Mary's did. But what I do find to be truly 'naive' are those fans who, even after years spent watching the game, still seriously expect players to put clubs before the interests of their career or indeed their own family. I wish he had stayed but Adam was looking after what he thought to be his own best interest - just like most people would in his situation.

 

Now perhaps directing their anger at former players who have now left serves a deep emotional purpose within some fans that is a useful outlet for their repressed rage - I on the other hand go to a game to enjoy the company of good friends and to watch the football.

 

I don't think Adam is a 'rat' and I doubt most decent fans do in their hearts of hearts.

 

Do try to deal with things in order. Responding twice to the same post, are you drunk? You have entirely ignored my second reply and defaulted on this.

 

It's almost as though you have an agenda. Heaven forbid.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Do try to deal with things in order. Responding twice to the same post, are you drunk? You have entirely ignored my second reply and defaulted on this.

 

It's almost as though you have an agenda. Heaven forbid.

 

My apologies.

 

But to be frank about it as you didn't say anything very new the second time the reply will do. As for agendas - pot/kettle/black?

[whelk]

I am apathetic. I take that he behaved poorly but this polarising of 'Rickie the Legend' as a saint and Lallana as the devil. just don't feel it sorry.

Then I don't have much faith in footballer per se so don't expect much

[Colinjb]

My apologies.

 

But to be frank about it as you didn't say anything very new the second time the reply will do. As for agendas - pot/kettle/black?

 

Or consistency of opinion. You said nothing new either. Agree to disagree may be pertinent....

 

From my own perspective though. F**k Adam Lallana, the rat moralised c*nt.

 

His punishment will be everytime he comes home.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Or consistency of opinion. You said nothing new either. Agree to disagree may be pertinent....

 

From my own perspective though. F**k Adam Lallana, the rat moralised c*nt.

 

His punishment will be everytime he comes home.

 

After all this time I'm running out of new stuff to say to be honest about it - but as there's no MOTD tonight its more interesting that the TV.

 

If I may venture a opinion the swearing doesn't help your cause much.

[Colinjb]

After all this time I'm running out of new stuff to say to be honest about it - but as there's no MOTD tonight its more interesting that the TV.

 

If I may venture a opinion the swearing doesn't help your cause much.

 

Equally, criticising the tone of the substance can result in missing the mark.

 

Remove the emotion and you can destroy the subject.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Equally, criticising the tone of the substance can result in missing the mark.

 

Remove the emotion and you can destroy the subject.

 

Ask yourself if the 'emotion' you are getting from the game is hatred then is that entirely healthy? They do say the wise man accepts the things he cannot change, has the courage to change the things he can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

[hypochondriac]

After all this time I'm running out of new stuff to say to be honest about it - but as there's no MOTD tonight its more interesting that the TV.

 

If I may venture a opinion the swearing doesn't help your cause much.

 

Your cause doesn't seem to be particularly well received.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Your cause doesn't seem to be particularly well received.

 

This is true - I suppose I'll just have to take that as another of those things I cannot change.

[Colinjb]

Ask yourself if the 'emotion' you are getting from the game is hatred then is that entirely healthy? They do say the wise man accepts the things he cannot change, has the courage to change the things he can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

 

I respect that you are trying to moralise the situation.

 

I do however reject entirely the theory you are placing. It inspires a notion of ever being in a position to change what would be happening in football. Clearly nonsense, that considers the possibility that professional footballers care about the average fan.

 

Accept what you may never change? Ok....... I couldn't change Adam Lallana's beahvior..... yet he still chose to be a complete c**t.

[whelk]

This is true - I suppose I'll just have to take that as another of those things I cannot change.

 

Don't let that worry you. Many here will vote UKIP, apologise for rapists and generally have little compassion or kindness.

 

Wishing Lallana breaks his legs say more about their nasty lives

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I respect that you are trying to moralise the situation.

 

I do however reject entirely the theory you are placing. It inspires a notion of ever being in a position to change what would be happening in football. Clearly nonsense, that considers the possibility that professional footballers care about the average fan.

 

Accept what you may never change? Ok....... I couldn't change Adam Lallana's beahvior..... yet he still chose to be a complete c**t.

 

You see the problem is that however well paid and however good at kicking a ball around they are players are at heart just working class lads (in the main) out to make the best of their situation. When fans put them on a pedestal and expect them to behave in a manner that few (if any) of them would then they are setting themselves up for a inevitable disappointment.

 

I understand the emotion the game can arouse in fans, but please remember that Adam was born in St Albans and grew up in Bournemouth supporting Everton if memory serves. I'm quite sure Adam is very fond of this club, I'm quite sure that we have been good for him and he has been (very) good for us, but in the final analysis his relationship with SFC was that of a employee to his employer.

 

Managers, players, owners and staff will come and go like the tide - only we fans are signed up for life and the sooner we learn to accept that fact of footballing life the better.

[Block34]

.....Managers, players, owners and staff will come and go like the tide - only we fans are signed up for life and the sooner we learn to accept that fact of footballing life the better.

 

Yup, precisely, he (and others) have gone, they are in the past, they are no longer relevant other than as a potential threat to our success and should be viewed as such, not through some rose-tinted glasses. They play for the competition and I hope they do badly and do nothing good for their current team of choice.

 

Why the hell should I clap/cheer/acknowledge even when they return here - for I am fickle, I only have time for my current team.

[david in sweden]

And just leading on from that article, I think many under-estimate how vital Pelle is to everything we do. Tadic would be a massive blow if we lost him for any games, but to me Pelle is the centrepoint that so much goes through, they use the term "pivot" in that article and I can't see anyone else in our squad coming close to offering what he does.

 

only likely solution (at present).... would be to ensure that (a fit ) JayRod stays ......and resists the temptation to jump ship in January.

[mitch01]

Absolutely quality player for us, major reason for our reaching the PL so quickly and then our best player last season (no mean feat). Left under a bit of a cloud, clearly desperate to make use of the remaining best years of his career as high as he could and joined a massive (although currently misfiring) club in Liverpool. Disappointed he felt he had to force it but pales into insignificance given his service. Would have been great to see him and Tadic in the same team. Loved watching him play.

 

Unfair to compare his departure with Rickie's, they were entirely different circumstances. We have no idea how Rickie would have reacted if the club had resisted Liverpool's attempts to get him.

[captainchris]

I'm more interested in the facts of the matter rather than more opinion. So again - what is Adam supposed to have actually said that is the basis for all this?

 

There have been several snide remarks he has made about playing for a big club inferring 'better' and belittling his previous employer. By inference fans of the little crap club on the south coast - seeing themselves as part of that 'club' are infuriated....

If you cannot see that you are either naive or have some personal loyalty thing going on that prevents you from seeing the rather inflated ego which our former midfielder seems to continually massage......

And no I don't have quotes but there are numerous out there if you don't believe the fans on here who are to put it mildly dismaid by their former captain's behaviour....

So thank you for the sermon (did you see what I did there ;-) ) but you will find a very small congragation on here. I suggest you go and preach nearer the place where such great footballers dream of playing and where their head has been for months before departing.....

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

There have been several snide remarks he has made about playing for a big club inferring 'better' and belittling his previous employer. By inference fans of the little crap club on the south coast - seeing themselves as part of that 'club' are infuriated....

If you cannot see that you are either naive or have some personal loyalty thing going on that prevents you from seeing the rather inflated ego which our former midfielder seems to continually massage......

And no I don't have quotes but there are numerous out there if you don't believe the fans on here who are to put it mildly dismaid by their former captain's behaviour....

So thank you for the sermon (did you see what I did there ;-) ) but you will find a very small congragation on here. I suggest you go and preach nearer the place where such great footballers dream of playing and where their head has been for months before departing.....

 

Well Captain thanks very much for the helpful suggestion. But if I was to leave then I would be depriving myself of the pleasure of your company ... and that would be too high a price to pay.

 

[angelman]

One thing that I have noticed, is that Lallana is doing an awful lot of PR while Tadic isn't doing anything. Lallana taking the Scouse test, the trick shots, dressing up as a computer game character, Lallana this, Lallana that. All over the press. I think much of it comes from Liverpool TV or their press releases, and it appears that they are trying hard to sell him as a successful signing after what has obviously been a large backward step for LFC this season. I think that he probably will come good, as he is a decent player, but LFC seem a little desperate for good news at the moment. But still, I wish he would shave. Looks a fool with that bum fluff.

[Dr Who?]

Lallana is a Cvnt!

[Smirking_Saint]

I should avoid attempts at humour if I was you because you're really not very good at it, and what you choose to depict as 'slavish devotion' I regard as a respect for the truth and a recognition of a fine players contribution to the club. Not considerations that seem to much bother you.

 

But here we are over 1900 views on this thread now and not one piece of actual proof provided by his many accusers as to Lallana's supposed guilt. So long on accusation and short on facts as we obviously are then, you too are cordially invited to provide any proof what-so-ever that Adam promised to stay here forever milliseconds before leaving for Liverpool.

 

I await your reply with interest.

 

You always have been a houlier than thou pillock

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You always have been a houlier than thou pillock

 

I don't think that Gerald Houlier's view is germane to the question of Adam Lallana. Indeed, both he and the Germans are probably best kept out of it.