Tadic v lallana

[Stud mark of doom]

Some interesting stats here, under the Pelle article.

 

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/nov/141114-talking-tactics-five-of-the-best-summer-signings.html

[doddisalegend]

Seems like Tadic is a big upgrade..........guess he will be off to Liverpool next season .........while Adam heads off to Villa or Stoke

 

Southampton's new goal hero is also benefitting from better service and that is important to note. While Adam Lallana did a terrific job on the south coast, his replacement Dusan Tadic has already supplied more successful crosses to his striker than the England international managed throughout the duration of 2013/14. He has also laid on the same number of chances for his striker, remarkably in 28 fewer matches.

[pap]

That is a superb statistic; if we can keep that up over the season, who knows what'll happen.

[Lets B Avenue]

But how many Cruyff turns has he done? A far more valid statistic.

[pap]

But how many Cruyff turns has he done? A far more valid statistic.

 

Boruc did one too many, if that helps.

[Goatboy]

Ah, but who will win the flickyhair and sh*t beard off?

[1576]

Bet Lallana has put his thumb up more times...

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

And don't forget lallana s miles ahead in the badge slapping stacks

[pap]

Ads is also a fine ambassador, untouched by tribal concerns. Look at the way he signed those Liverpool shirts in Miami.

 

And let's not forget his inspirational heart to heart with those Brazilian kids. "You too could be a Western-raised footballer who craps on the team he captains under the full glare of the international media"

 

Life-changing.

[Horley CTFC Saint]

In fairness Lambert used to drift out wide an awful lot whereas Pelle is much more of a target man

[Jonnyboy]

Lallana gets goals too.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

If I may interrupt the forum's ongoing schadenfreude fix for just a moment.

 

It seems to me that there might be a slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air here - or have none of you lot never left one employer for another because you too felt that the grass might be greener elsewhere? I have long considered Adam Lallana to be a fine young man and an exceptional footballer and although I'm disappointed he left us I see no good reason to change that opinion now.

 

That is all.

[Mowgli]

If I may interrupt the forum's ongoing schadenfreude fix for just a moment.

 

It seems to me that there might be a slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air here - or have none of you lot never left one employer for another because you too felt that the grass might be greener elsewhere? I have long considered Adam Lallana to be a fine young man and an exceptional footballer and although I'm disappointed he left us I see no good reason to change that opinion now.

 

That is all.

 

Way off the mark. I don't think anyone would not knock his ambition. It was the how he did it. Saying he would be happy to spend the rest of his career here whilst picking up 5 awards and then just DAYS later 'flipping like a burger' when liverpool came knocking.

[Patrick Bateman]

Ads is also a fine ambassador, untouched by tribal concerns. Look at the way he signed those Liverpool shirts in Miami.

 

And let's not forget his inspirational heart to heart with those Brazilian kids. "You too could be a Western-raised footballer who craps on the team he captains under the full glare of the international media"

 

Life-changing.

 

Had forgotten about that!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Way off the mark. I don't think anyone would not knock his ambition. It was the how he did it. Saying he would be happy to spend the rest of his career here whilst picking up 5 awards and then just DAYS later 'flipping like a burger' when liverpool came knocking.

 

If you want to accuse someone of duplicity then it seems to me that it is incumbent on you to provide some actual evidence to back this serious accusation. What exactly did Adam say and when did he say it?

[Wes Tender]

If you want to accuse someone of duplicity then it seems to me that it is incumbent on you to provide some actual evidence to back this serious accusation. What exactly did Adam say and when did he say it?

I agree that he was a fine player and did well for us, but stop trying to defend the snide way that he acted when he wanted to leave us to play for Liverpool. You will just have to accept that it has left a bad taste in the mouths of most Saints fans and if it doesn't affect the way that you see him in any way, then bully for you. I completely agree that duplicitous is quite an apposite term to describe his behaviour, but to call that a serious accusation is a bit OTT. It is an opinion formed on the basis of the sort of things that other posters have highlighted, many of which were reported in the media.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I agree that he was a fine player and did well for us, but stop trying to defend the snide way that he acted when he wanted to leave us to play for Liverpool. You will just have to accept that it has left a bad taste in the mouths of most Saints fans and if it doesn't affect the way that you see him in any way, then bully for you. I completely agree that duplicitous is quite an apposite term to describe his behaviour, but to call that a serious accusation is a bit OTT. It is an opinion formed on the basis of the sort of things that other posters have highlighted, many of which were reported in the media.

 

I'm more interested in the facts of the matter rather than more opinion. So again - what is Adam supposed to have actually said that is the basis for all this?

[Smirking_Saint]

If I may interrupt the forum's ongoing schadenfreude fix for just a moment.

 

It seems to me that there might be a slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air here - or have none of you lot never left one employer for another because you too felt that the grass might be greener elsewhere? I have long considered Adam Lallana to be a fine young man and an exceptional footballer and although I'm disappointed he left us I see no good reason to change that opinion now.

 

That is all.

 

Its the fickle nature of football. He left therefore he must be crap.

[CamberwellSaint]

Tadic isn't so much a statistical upgrade (though he looks like he's that too) he's a better team player and he's fitter. That shoddy advertisement that Lallana took out in the Echo sums him up: self-absorbed breadhead.

[Wes Tender]

I'll reiterate for your benefit, CEC. Nobody is saying that he was a poor player, or that his contribution to the club over many years was anything other than great. The bad taste in the mouth was totally over the way that went about leaving us. The statement made by him that he would be happy to end his career here, his reported comment that when he played at Anfield before he left that the hairs stood up on the back of his neck, the signing of the Liverpool youngster's shirt in Brazil, the crass statement to the poor Favela ghetto kids, the bare-faced performance at the player of the year awards when he probably already knew he wanted to leave, the crass letter of thanks to the fans in the Echo, the way that he reported that his phone calls to the board were ignored, the reticence to put in an official transfer request, the badge-kissing, generally the lack of example that he presented to his team-mates as the team captain.

 

Lambert behaved in a totally honourable manner and gained respect for it and will be remembered fondly by most, with some nostalgia and regret for how he has been treated by Liverpool.

 

Lallana acted like a spoilt and petulant kid and has been treated by derision as a result. His reputation here has been tarnished by the way he left and as a result, many hope that he fails at Liverpool.

 

It is generally accepted that Tadic is the better player, so from one perspective we should be grateful to Lallana for giving us the opportunity to improve our team. That applies also to Lambert and Lovren in particular and Shaw and Chambers to a lesser extent

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I'll reiterate for your benefit, CEC. Nobody is saying that he was a poor player, or that his contribution to the club over many years was anything other than great. The bad taste in the mouth was totally over the way that went about leaving us. The statement made by him that he would be happy to end his career here, his reported comment that when he played at Anfield before he left that the hairs stood up on the back of his neck, the signing of the Liverpool youngster's shirt in Brazil, the crass statement to the poor Favela ghetto kids, the bare-faced performance at the player of the year awards when he probably already knew he wanted to leave, the crass letter of thanks to the fans in the Echo, the way that he reported that his phone calls to the board were ignored, the reticence to put in an official transfer request, the badge-kissing, generally the lack of example that he presented to his team-mates as the team captain.

 

Lambert behaved in a totally honourable manner and gained respect for it and will be remembered fondly by most, with some nostalgia and regret for how he has been treated by Liverpool.

 

Lallana acted like a spoilt and petulant kid and has been treated by derision as a result. His reputation here has been tarnished by the way he left and as a result, many hope that he fails at Liverpool.

 

It is generally accepted that Tadic is the better player, so from one perspective we should be grateful to Lallana for giving us the opportunity to improve our team. That applies also to Lambert and Lovren in particular and Shaw and Chambers to a lesser extent

 

Time will tell if his replacement proves to be a better player and it is apparent that plenty on here are now criticising Lallana's ability (and fitness!) I see. As no one seems willing or able to provide any evidence that 'days' before he left SFC Adam publicly committed his long term future to this club then I'm taking that to be a load of old pony.

 

As for Adams subsequent behaviour this too seems unremarkable. When any player joins a new club what exactly do you expect him to say - is it perhaps something along the lines of "well it's OK coming here I suppose, but my heart will always be at my last club"? It seems to me that being 'happy to end your career here' (if that is what he said in context) does not amount to a promise to stay here forever but rather a statement of the simple truth - IE he was both happy here and would have willingly been prepared to stay. However he may well also have seen the need to secure the future of both himself and his young family by seeking more money elsewhere. This is actually the way of the world is it not?

 

Now you might choose to depict what has occurred as a insult by a duplicitous and greedy young player who cares not a jot for this club and its fans. To my way of thinking however what Adam did (although regrettable) seems a not unreasonable course to adopt in a profession where you are very well paid but your career is both short and could be ended at any moment by a serious injury.

[Sour Mash]

In fairness Lambert used to drift out wide an awful lot whereas Pelle is much more of a target man

Yep, in Lallana's defence, how many chances would he have created if playing with Pelle? Most likely less than Tadic still, but we're not quite comparing like with like. Great stats though.

[Sour Mash]

And just leading on from that article, I think many under-estimate how vital Pelle is to everything we do. Tadic would be a massive blow if we lost him for any games, but to me Pelle is the centrepoint that so much goes through, they use the term "pivot" in that article and I can't see anyone else in our squad coming close to offering what he does.

[Golden Balls]

If I may interrupt the forum's ongoing schadenfreude fix for just a moment.

 

It seems to me that there might be a slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air here - or have none of you lot never left one employer for another because you too felt that the grass might be greener elsewhere? I have long considered Adam Lallana to be a fine young man and an exceptional footballer and although I'm disappointed he left us I see no good reason to change that opinion now.

 

That is all.

 

Hi Adam!

[Mowgli]

If you want to accuse someone of duplicity then it seems to me that it is incumbent on you to provide some actual evidence to back this serious accusation. What exactly did Adam say and when did he say it?

 

Given that 99% of readers remember the quote forgive me if I don't rise to the bait. If your memory is really that bad do the research yourself. I'm not going to do it for you. It's really easy o find BTW

[Bad Wolf]

He does do some things better than Lallana. Tadic's final ball is a million times better than Lallana's but Lallana's also better at some things, turning and dribbling for two (which Tadic is also very good at it's just Lallana has such a unique way of doing it).

 

Tadic and Lallana on either wing would be amazing.

[OttawaSaint]

My only beef was that he said he had been dreaming of playing for Liverpool since February. Ah OK Adam, you played out 3-4 months as Saints captain but were dreaming of Liverpool? I guess he's not a very bright lad.

[JakkoUK]

Tadic has been absolutely immense this season and has so much skill in his locker, however I have noticed a recent dip in form in the last two games. Hoping it is just down to tiredness, but he has made such a high standard of himself that I just expect so much from him.

[Wes Tender]

Time will tell if his replacement proves to be a better player and it is apparent that plenty on here are now criticising Lallana's ability (and fitness!) I see.

Are they? Where?

 

As no one seems willing or able to provide any evidence that 'days' before he left SFC Adam publicly committed his long term future to this club then I'm taking that to be a load of old pony.

Again, where did anybody say that? That statement was made months before he left.

 

As for Adams subsequent behaviour this too seems unremarkable. When any player joins a new club what exactly do you expect him to say - is it perhaps something along the lines of "well it's OK coming here I suppose, but my heart will always be at my last club"? It seems to me that being 'happy to end your career here' (if that is what he said in context) does not amount to a promise to stay here forever but rather a statement of the simple truth - IE he was both happy here and would have willingly been prepared to stay. However he may well also have seen the need to secure the future of both himself and his young family by seeking more money elsewhere. This is actually the way of the world is it not?

 

Again, you miss the point. Naturally he would be expected to say how he is happy to be playing for Liverpool (whilst simultaneously being perfectly able to express gratitude for everything that Southampton had done for him) But as I said, his lack of judgement in taking out that crass Echo advert and then it comes out how he had yearned to play for them some months earlier when he was our team captain, this is what rankles and makes him look a berk. He should have asked Ricky how to go about it, or employed some PR professionals to help him, as he came across as a complete idiot by making a hole for himself and then not knowing when to stop digging.

Now you might choose to depict what has occurred as a insult by a duplicitous and greedy young player who cares not a jot for this club and its fans. To my way of thinking however what Adam did (although regrettable) seems a not unreasonable course to adopt in a profession where you are very well paid but your career is both short and could be ended at any moment by a serious injury.

 

Yep. I'm totally with the sentiments of the first sentence of this last paragraph. As I said, because his replacement is a better player than him, fortunately I don't miss him. I'm still up for booing him when he comes here with Lovren; if they're selected to play, that is.

[the_emu]

Lallana gets goals too.

He is well up on own goals where media gaffes is concerned, otherwise there's not much in it.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Yep. I'm totally with the sentiments of the first sentence of this last paragraph. As I said, because his replacement is a better player than him, fortunately I don't miss him. I'm still up for booing him when he comes here with Lovren; if they're selected to play, that is.

 

 

The fact that you are looking forward to 'booing' a player who has given well nigh half his career to this club, a player who not only proved influential in all our recent successful promotion champaign's but has also (almost certainly) turned down numerous attractive offers from better placed clubs in the past speaks volumes about you both as a fan and a Human Being.

 

I on the other hand choose to remember Adam as a exceptional young prospect who I had the immense privilege to watch grow into the exceptional player he is today. A player who manifestly gave his all for this club for season after season and for much of that time proved to be the best player on the pitch by a country mile.

 

You on the other hand can ... well I think the modern expression 'go do one' just about covers it.

Edited 15 November, 2014 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[farawaysaint]

The fact that you are looking forward to 'booing' a player who has given well nigh half his career to this club, a player who not only proved influential in all our recent successful promotion champaign's but has also (almost certainly) turned down numerous attractive offers from better placed clubs in the past speaks volumes about you both as a fan and a Human Being.

 

I on the other hand choose to remember Adam as a exceptional young prospect who I had the immense privilege to watch grow into the exceptional player he is today. A player who manifestly gave his all for this club for season after season and for much of that time proved to be the best player on the pitch by a country mile.

 

You on the other hand can ... well I think the modern expression 'go do one' just about covers it.

 

You could say exactly the same thing about Morgan. We have all accepted he will move and while there will of course be some ill-will he will doubtless be remembered FAR more fondly than Lallana.

 

Don't you suppose there is a reason that the selfsame fans will treat these two players so differently? Lallana is an adult and he is responsible for the way he has acted and for the fan's impressions of him.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You could say exactly the same thing about Morgan. We have all accepted he will move and while there will of course be some ill-will he will doubtless be remembered FAR more fondly than Lallana.

 

Don't you suppose there is a reason that the selfsame fans will treat these two players so differently? Lallana is an adult and he is responsible for the way he has acted and for the fan's impressions of him.

 

Not only could I say the same about Morgan, I will be saying the same about Morgan when he too leaves. Another fine young player who has given this club all that any reasonable fan could ask for and will leave (when the times comes) with my best wishes. Players come and players go - I have learnt to except this facet of the game without the level of bitterness and rancour that it seems to provoke with some on here. Some of you lot really need to 'move on'.

 

As for your implication that you (and others like you) speak for this club's entire fanbase re your view of Adam I can only reply that you most certainly don't speak for me.

[Cabrone]

The fact that you are looking forward to 'booing' a player who has given well nigh half his career to this club, a player who not only proved influential in all our recent successful promotion champaign's but has also (almost certainly) turned down numerous attractive offers from better placed clubs in the past speaks volumes about you both as a fan and a Human Being.

 

I on the other hand choose to remember Adam as a exceptional young prospect who I had the immense privilege to watch grow into the exceptional player he is today. A player who manifestly gave his all for this club for season after season and for much of that time proved to be the best player on the pitch by a country mile.

 

You on the other hand can ... well I think the modern expression 'go do one' just about covers it.

 

Seems to be the way with a lot of posters on this bb, players are great when they are here but as soon as they leave they become crap or pantomime villains. Maybe as you get older and have seen so many players come and go you are a bit more balanced about it but the hypocrisy is pretty strong on here.

 

Adam Lallana was and still is an excellent player who was pivotal to our rise from league 1 to the prem and left for a fat fee that was then used to buy the possibly even better Tadic. Best of luck to him, no hard feelings - the club and fans have had good service from him.

 

Wonder if Dusan and Graziano will get the same reappraisal of their abilities the day they leave (and there's every chance they will if one of the big boys come sniffing)?

 

Players come, players go. That's life I'm afraid.

[Guan 2.0]

You could say exactly the same thing about Morgan. We have all accepted he will move and while there will of course be some ill-will he will doubtless be remembered FAR more fondly than Lallana.

 

Don't you suppose there is a reason that the selfsame fans will treat these two players so differently? Lallana is an adult and he is responsible for the way he has acted and for the fan's impressions of him.

 

I'm guessing that CEC is either a friend of the family, or otherwise close to Lallana. Forget for a moment his actions since his move, the fact this wasn't the first time he'd threatened to leave at the first whiff of Interest, His Brazil comments and shirt signing, or his self aggrandizing Echo Picture.

 

On their own, none of these things would move the club to give a couple of lines notice, vs the tribute given to Lambert's contributions. Nor would it be the sole reason for them blocking him from any mention in the Academy Video, or any images being shown. Anybody who believes otherwise is being wilfully ignorant or hopefully naive at best. When Lallana returns to the south coast for the game against us (unless he bottle it, a strong possibility IMO), he will see and hear how the Majority of Saints fans will fell about him.

 

Lallana was a completely disloyal towards Southampton FC towards the second half of the season. Wasn't even paying attention to post match analysis of his own game. As for his mettle as a man, you only have to look at his recent comments on his move, saying one of his man concerns was making sure Bournemouth got as much money as possible through the sell on clause, but that didn't mean he was going to help improve the amount by giving up his 'Loyalty Bonus'

 

So instead he publicly requested a transfer (even after stating he wanted to stay just days earlier), without putting in a transfer request, which could have Jeopardised his d̶r̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶m̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶l̶u̶b̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶ ̶n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶ ̶n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶m̶i̶e̶r̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶ Big pile of personal cash. But if a few deluded souls want to cheer him on, have at it. You pays your money you makes your choice, as an old head once told me.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Your first sentence contains one incorrect guess and the rest of the post doesn't get much better.

[Guan 2.0]

Your first sentence contains one incorrect guess and the rest of the post doesn't get much better.

 

Great Point-by-Point Rebuttal. "I'm not Lallana's dad*, so the rest is Irrelevant". It's hard to dispute things that are known to have happened, yes?

 

*I didn't actually think you were related to Lallana. I was jokingly trying to explain the one-eyed slavish devotion to your personal deity. The beard doesn't make him God, just so you know.

 

Out of Interest, why do you think people would berate Tadic's Contribution if he left, as he's already statistically better? Weird point to try and make in an attempt to prop up Lallana.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Great Point-by-Point Rebuttal. "I'm not Lallana's dad*, so the rest is Irrelevant". It's hard to dispute things that are known to have happened, yes?

 

*I didn't actually think you were related to Lallana. I was jokingly trying to explain the one-eyed slavish devotion to your personal deity. The beard doesn't make him God, just so you know.

 

I should avoid attempts at humour if I was you because you're really not very good at it, and what you choose to depict as 'slavish devotion' I regard as a respect for the truth and a recognition of a fine players contribution to the club. Not considerations that seem to much bother you.

 

But here we are over 1900 views on this thread now and not one piece of actual proof provided by his many accusers as to Lallana's supposed guilt. So long on accusation and short on facts as we obviously are then, you too are cordially invited to provide any proof what-so-ever that Adam promised to stay here forever milliseconds before leaving for Liverpool.

 

I await your reply with interest.

[Golden Balls]

Don't think anybody is denying Lallana is a good player and did bloody well for us. We were as good for him as he was for us. Is Tadic better? So far I'd say so but it's still early days.

 

What is also undeniable is his attitude. You want proof, it's plastered everywhere and I have plenty of anecdotes from those within the club.

 

This attitude, and only this attitude is the reason fans will not welcome him back like we will Lambert, Dean Hammond, Richard Chaplow, Billy Sharp and even Danny Fox etc who all gave all they could for the club, some even got pretty badly treated by the club but refused to bad-mouth us.

 

You'll just have to bare the brunt of the reception Lallana will receive along with him. You'll be in the minority.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Bloody hell man!

 

It's a good thing our courts don't accept 'everybody knows' type evidence in criminal cases or else the justice system would be in a hell of a mess.

 

'Just the facts' as they used to say in Dragnet.

[svetigpung]

but as we all know......Adam has changed !

[Fowllyd]

Bloody hell man!

 

It's a good thing our courts don't accept 'everybody knows' type evidence in criminal cases or else the justice system would be in a hell of a mess.

 

'Just the facts' as they used to say in Dragnet.

 

Just as a pointer as to why so many Saints fans hold Lallana in pretty low regard now, check out these two pages.

 

First, on signing a new five-year contract with Saints, April 2013:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22112980

 

Second, following his signing for Liverpool, June 2014:

 

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/165547-adam-lallana-the-first-lfc-interview

 

A choice quote from this, in case you miss it:

 

Watching the run-in towards the end of last season was unbelievable, not just for myself but everyone involved in football. It got the hairs on the back of my neck standing up just watching them, and the style of football they were playing. Deep down, I was thinking to myself: hopefully one day I'll be able to play in that team. That dream has become a reality now, so I can't wait for that to get started.

 

I haven't seen anyone on here questioning Lallana's ability as a player, but plenty don't think to well of his qualities as a man. And, as Guan has mentioned above, the club's attitude towards him following his departure (which is not reflected in their attitude towards Lambert, Shaw or Chambers) also speaks volumes.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So we given up then have we on this claim that he promised to stay here just before leaving - 2013 hardly counts does it - and the basis of this sudden dislike of Adam Lallana is not because of anything he did or did not do for this club on the pitch - you know the job he was paid to do - but rather something he is reported to have said in a interview at his new club.

 

The mentally of the average football is a remarkable thing - all those years of outstanding service count as nothing now because he dared to say he fancied a move to another club.

 

Jesus wept ...

[Guan 2.0]

I should avoid attempts at humour if I was you because you're really not very good at it, and what you choose to depict as 'slavish devotion' I regard as a respect for the truth and a recognition of a fine players contribution to the club. Not considerations that seem to much bother you.

 

 

I'm not as amusing as you that's for sure. You've got the whole Comical Ali patter down to a T. Never mind you've come on a thread to **** your pants if anyone points out that Tadic has surpassed Lallana in quarter of a season, and claiming the only reason that they would say that is because Lallana has left, not because he's better. Tadic is a better player, who also happens to have replaced a man who we had made captain and pushed for England, and walked out on us the first chance he had to manufacture a disgraceful exit.

 

 

Now on to your second Paragraph, and the encapsulation of your attitude.

 

 

But here we are over 1900 views on this thread now and not one piece of actual proof provided by his many accusers as to Lallana's supposed guilt. So long on accusation and short on facts as we obviously are then, you too are cordially invited to provide any proof what-so-ever that Adam promised to stay here forever milliseconds before leaving for Liverpool.

 

I hate to break this to you, but Lallana is never going to turn up on your doorstep with a signed document entitled 'I'm a disloyal C**t' . So instead we look to other sources.

So, In addition to Fowllyd's excellent contributions above.

Facts (as you requested):

 

Lallana requested a transfer without putting in a transfer request, so he could keep his laughably named 'Loyalty Bonus'

This was days after he indicated he wanted to stay and "Keep progressing with the club" [video=youtube;Tscrxq6Dl-g]

(7.00 onwards)

It was also at the same time he was reassuring Club officials he hadn't spoken to Liverpool and was open to staying. I was informed by them.

He was our Captain at this time. Kissed the Badge to a comical degree for someone with so litte loyalty

He had had a poor attitude in regard to changing/improving his game on the training ground after watching post match videos. (Again confirmed to me).

This attitude change was noted by others outside the club (Mark Clattenburg included)

He had been similarly difficult in 2008

His Comments in Brazil (both the 'I hope so' when asked to sign for Liverpool, and the life changing debacle) showed him to be a little out of touch.

His self aggrandizing photo in the echo, vs Rickie's heartfelt open letter (I should also mention how well respected Rickie still is here - No wonder he was invited back for the academy Video) cemented this.

His refusal to acknowledge his behaviour or how it shaped Saints fan's view of him ('I just think fans don't want to see great players leave').

 

Oh and finally.

 

The fact that Tadic has already contributed more to Saints in quarter of a season than Lallana did in a whole one. Which is the main point of this thread. Which you were unhappy with. And want everyone to pretend he was a loyal messiah.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

No I was wrong - you really are a comedian because here we are 11 games into Dusan's first season here and that is enough apparently to prove he is a better player than Adam who has spent his entire adult life here ... oh and has this evening played very well again for his country.

 

Go away and give your brain a rest.

[JakkoUK]

No I was wrong - you really are a comedian because here we are 11 games into Dusan's first season here and that is enough apparently to prove he is a better player than Adam who has spent his entire adult life here ... oh and has this evening played very well again for his country.

 

Go away and give your brain a rest.

 

Oh just **** off

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Oh just **** off

 

Shouldn't you be in bed sonny, or is your dad letting you stay up late?

[Patrick Bateman]

No I was wrong - you really are a comedian because here we are 11 games into Dusan's first season here and that is enough apparently to prove he is a better player than Adam who has spent his entire adult life here ... oh and has this evening played very well again for his country.

 

Go away and give your brain a rest.

 

Why can't you answer his well laid out points?

[ericb]

There's a simple thing Lallana could've done to leave with respect. It's called humility. If he'd kept his mouth shut in interviews about Liverpool/Saints, if he'd not kissed the badge at the end of the season, and if he'd expressed something like respect towards our club and support, then there would be no issue.

 

He obviously has a terrible PR agent, since i'm sure he would've got his move regardless of the crap that came out, but someone advised him in a way that was only focused on him. Arguably that could be correct for him and no footballer really cares about their legacy off the pitch, but given his choices it's very difficult to see how he should anything other than a lot of abuse when he comes back.

 

As for who is a better player i think that's too early tell, but currently all i can say is that if i had to make a straight choice between Tadic and Lallana (based on current form) i'd take Tadic every time.

[James]

So have we established whether CEC is a member of the Lallana family? It certainly would explain his reluctance to responds to Guan's well presented argument.