Paul Mitchell To Leave Saints

[Toadhall Saint]

Please keep on topic, go and have your p*ssing contest in TMS.

 

At last

[pap]

At last

Indeed. Let on topic discussion of this burning issue recommence.

[Danbert]

Indeed. Let on topic discussion of this burning issue recommence.

 

Lol, burning issue indeed. The ***** fight is much more entertaining. Come on, fight, fight, fight (aswe used to shout in my playground)

[pap]

Lol, burning issue indeed. The ***** fight is much more entertaining. Come on, fight, fight, fight (aswe used to shout in my playground)

Look. We've had some complaints. People felt that the discussion was being hampered by the infighting. As you can see, the discussion has flourished in our absence.

[trousers]

@bigadamsport: #SAINTSFC Head of Recruitment, Paul Mitchell, has handed in his notice at St Mary's. Mitchell has been linked with a move to Spurs #THFC

[Saint Charlie]

People talking like he's gone. He hasn't. You're just being silly. Seems like the poster who said he had left was wrong .

 

Sack your source. Looks like Neil Ashton got this one right.

 

Reported in this morning's Echo but says Saints relaxed about his departure.

[david in sweden]

.....and of course our response is.....

 

.......thanks for all your good efforts, Paul.....now you can s*d off. We only want people who want to work for SFC.

 

(Just remember that when Spuds (eventually) move.... you'll be back working in a Portacabin for several years).

[Saint Charlie]

.....and of course our response is.....

 

.......thanks for all your good efforts, Paul.....now you can s*d off. We only want people who want to work for SFC.

 

(Just remember that when Spuds (eventually) move.... you'll be back working in a Portacabin for several years).

 

Spurs have a state of the art training ground that is considered as amongst the best in Europe. So he will be working in a good setup.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I don't get what the big deal is about this guy leaving, I really don't. He's not our academy director he's someone who oversaw a pretty average success rate of signings. Don't get how this is news, apart from Ashton having a bee in his bonnet about the Summer.

 

Replaceable...

Edited 17 November, 2014 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Saint-Armstrong]

More fool him. Another one who has forgotten how good he's got it at Saints and has followed the scent of a Levy pay-packet. (perhaps understandable)

 

He seems to have forgotten that he will have to actually work in Daniel Levy's Spurs regime. No direction, no patience, no stability.

 

If recent form is anything to go by, the new man will be an upgrade anyway.

 

Spurs also seem to miss the point that our set-up is built, and not bought. Reeks of Levy-panic.

[david in sweden]

Spurs have a state of the art training ground that is considered as amongst the best in Europe. So he will be working in a good setup.

 

nice for them, but with all that money, they really ought to have a " state-of-the -art team" by now. They must really need Mitchell desperately.

 

interesting note ; heard an interview on Sky Radio?....saying that Spuds were the only Prem. club without a proper scouting network.

[jasonb]

Yeah and for all this talk of the Black Box isn't it just a sophisticated database with meta tagging at its core.

 

The snippets we saw of the team busy at work in front of their Mac computers was basically a load of young nippers watching matches and editing videos to be input into the Black Box.

 

This guy may of helped develop this system but as mentioned it's not a fail proof system and players will still excel or fail no matter how much research is done.

[Sour Mash]

I don't get what the big deal is about this guy leaving I really don't. He's not our academy director he's someone who oversaw a pretty average success rate of signings. Don't get how this is news, apart from Ashton having a beer in his bonnet about the Summer.

 

Replaceable...

 

 

It's a hard one to call. How much input and impact has he had on our set up? Hard to know.

 

Sort of bad timing with him having quite a big role in the Staplewood opening video, coming across well and then leaving a few weeks later.

[Saint-Armstrong]

[angelman]

I don't get what the big deal is about this guy leaving, I really don't. He's not our academy director he's someone who oversaw a pretty average success rate of signings. Don't get how this is news, apart from Ashton having a bee in his bonnet about the Summer.

 

Replaceable...

 

Agree. People see Saints success and wonder how it was done so try and steal individual parts, when in reality, the sum of the parts is way less than the whole. It may work out for Spurs, it may not, but in reality, how many players was he responsible for signing above and beyond what we had on the radar already?

[Wopper]

How many will go with him ?

[sussexsaint]

How many will go with him ?

 

[NickG]

Who knows his personal influence?

 

How much did he lead strategy and how much he implemented others' ideas?

 

Was only here 2 years;

JayRod

Steve Davis

Clyne

Gazzinger

Mayuka

Yoshida

Forren

Ramirez

Boruc

Lovren

Osvaldo

Wanyama

Tadic

Pelle

Forster

Long

Gardos

Toby

Mane

Bertrand

Taider

[Mowgli]

I think you'll find Forren was already a done deal before Poch took over.

 

Paul Mitchell has talent undoubtedly but he had a great club to 'sell'. At the end of the day, Tadic, Mane and Pelle were actually pushed for by Ronald I beleive so not sure Paul had that much of an influence with the help of the black box. The analysis of potential targets by reference to family friends and lifestyle has actually been going on ever since Rupert Lowe's days.

 

It's yet another panic acquisition by Spuds who are slowly drowning in their own effluent.

[Wopper]

 

Brilliant

[sussexsaint]

It's yet another panic acquisition by Spuds who are slowly drowning in their own effluent.

 

Most definitely and quite flattering that they seem to turn to us for all the answers at the moment

[RedFear]

so spurs now have the combined brains that brought us, Forren, Mayuka and Osvaldo, while we have the manager that secured Tadic, Pelle and Mane?? hmmmmm, which horse to back in that race?

 

and I wonder how many spurs fans think Long for 12m was a good deal, because their new head of recruitment thought it was

(ps. i do like Long)

[Roger]

Sack your source. Looks like Neil Ashton got this one right.

 

Reported in this morning's Echo but says Saints relaxed about his departure.

 

He hadn't gone on Friday so my source wasn't wrong. You on the other hand are negative about everything so once every blue moon you're bound to be right. You seem almost excited thst he's gone .

[so22saint]

It doesn't matter who Spurs sign while Levy is in charge. The whole club is toxic from the top down and when MoPo is sacked in the next 5 games and they appoint some other hasbeen or never will be manager for the players to turn against it won't make the blindest bit of difference who is in charge of recruitment.

[Saint Charlie]

It's a hard one to call. How much input and impact has he had on our set up? Hard to know.

 

Sort of bad timing with him having quite a big role in the Staplewood opening video, coming across well and then leaving a few weeks later.

 

Also not ideal for him to leave for a club that probably has similar transfer targets to us and less than 2 months before a window.

 

Also an indepth knowledge of the contract situations of the likes of Jay, Morgan, Clyne, Toby etc.

[Give it to Ron]

Also not ideal for him to leave for a club that probably has similar transfer targets to us and less than 2 months before a window.

 

Also an indepth knowledge of the contract situations of the likes of Jay, Morgan, Clyne, Toby etc.

 

Why do Spurs have similar targets to us? Have they taken away all the sharp objects near you?

What difference does it may about contract negotiations - don't you think their agents tout them around anyway to other clubs for a better deal regardless?

Edited 17 November, 2014 by Give it to Ron

[VectisSaint]

@bigadamsport: #SAINTSFC Head of Recruitment, Paul Mitchell, has handed in his notice at St Mary's. Mitchell has been linked with a move to Spurs #THFC

Wonder what his notice period is, 3 months would be nice (for Saints). Gardening leave until its complete I would imagine, assuming his notice is accepted and Saints don't make him a counter offer that persuades him to stay.

[Sour Mash]

Also not ideal for him to leave for a club that probably has similar transfer targets to us and less than 2 months before a window.

 

Also an indepth knowledge of the contract situations of the likes of Jay, Morgan, Clyne, Toby etc.

I'm not sure if he'd have knowledge of contact details, is that really his area?

 

I'm not sure how it'd work on things like this in the football industry, is he just going to walk out from us this week and straight into Spurs set-up? Or will he have a couple of months notice which he'll be put on gardening leave for?

[Foxstone]

Levy is under a lot of pressure, so any of our so called targets are not going to cut much mustard with the North London mob...

 

They want success now and any targets they have a got to keep bums on their seats - Building a team is not in their current ethos...And their fans are perhaps the most impatient bunch I have ever known..

[DT]

I fear that this is a meltdown

[ant]

The extent to which a few notable PL teams don't get it is just incredible. Has the money in the game completely blinded them?

 

Our infrastructure and culture has more to do with recent successes than replaceable individuals. Look to the Summer for a mass of evidence for that argument.

[so22saint]

"Where's all our admin gone, where's all our admin gone, where's all our admin gone, where's all our admin gone"

[hutch]

I fear that this is a meltdown

Are you sure? What about firesale?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Also not ideal for him to leave for a club that probably has similar transfer targets to us and less than 2 months before a window.

 

Also an indepth knowledge of the contract situations of the likes of Jay, Morgan, Clyne, Toby etc.

 

More in-depth than those players agents?

[Saint Charlie]

More in-depth than those players agents?

 

Probably not to be fair, no. Maybe a bit of knowledge re the terms of our option deal for Toby?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Probably not to be fair, no. Maybe a bit of knowledge re the terms of our option deal for Toby?

 

Toby's agent will be bandying that around to all and sundry if it's true, so I wouldn't worry about that.

[Saint Charlie]

Why do Spurs have similar targets to us?

 

They may do, was thinking just based on the fact we are clubs with a similar aim, and roughly similar budget, i.e a direct competitor in the league.

 

If Mitchell was leaving for Chelsea or Utd then they probably wouldnt be interested in the same players as us, whereas Spurs are shopping in the same sort of market as us, so he will take with him a lot of knowledge that could be useful to Spurs.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Are you sure? What about firesale?

 

ASSET STRIP.

 

**** Les Reed, **** Wreck-it Ralph, screw you Katharina.

 

You could have forced him to stay here against his will. We're going to get relegated now.

 

Meltdown.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Probably not to be fair, no. Maybe a bit of knowledge re the terms of our option deal for Toby?

 

Possibly, though do we know if he is actively involved in the negotiation process? Or is his role purely to oversee the identification of targets?

 

If it's his job to manage the team that identify and analyse players and potential targets he may not be aware of all the ins and outs. I don't know which is the case, not claiming I have the slightest idea either, both seem possible.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Absolute worst case scenario is that he manages to replicate our approach to recruitment and player evaluation / analysis at Spurs. He has to do that in very different circumstances over there though, and ones which make the fruits of his labour harder to be effective.

 

I don't blame him for leaving for one second either, but now this is also a good opportunity for us to attract a high calibre of applicant and get even better.

[dellboypete]

Absolute worst case scenario is that he manages to replicate our approach to recruitment and player evaluation / analysis at Spurs. He has to do that in very different circumstances over there though' date=' and ones which make the fruits of his labour harder to be effective.......[/quote']

 

But is he likely to be able to that under Levy and Baldini - who don't seem to be the sharpest when it comes to signing players. OK that's what they want him for - but I suspect that the aforementioned duo will still pull all the strings

[CB Fry]

Wonder what his notice period is, 3 months would be nice (for Saints). Gardening leave until its complete I would imagine, assuming his notice is accepted and Saints don't make him a counter offer that persuades him to stay.

 

Definitely be at least three months. I'm on three month notice right now, and my sphere of influence/risk around my role does not quite stretch to the acquisition of multi million pound footballers.

 

(Obviously I'm a pretty big old cog in my current company. That toner doesn't replace itself, you know.)

 

I would think it could even be six months, he might not get going until next summer.

Edited 17 November, 2014 by CB Fry

[VectisSaint]

Definitely be at least three months. I'm on three month notice right now, and my sphere of influence/risk around my role does not quite stretch to the acquisition of multi million pound footballers.

 

(Obviously I'm a pretty big old cog in my current company. That toner doesn't replace itself you know.)

 

I would think it could even be six months, he might not get going until next summer.

Doubt that he will be on 6 months, especially as he has only been with us a couple of years, but I would think 3 months is quite likely, even though he probably doesn't get involved with the contract side of player purchases. 3 months is fine, takes us beyond next transfer window. Our targets come next summer likely to be somewhat different, and he will not have the same detailed knowledge as he would now. As I said though, just because he has handed his notice in doesn't automatically mean he will go, I've done the same a couple of times in my 40 years in industry and been persuaded to stay.

[angelman]

Possibly, though do we know if he is actively involved in the negotiation process? Or is his role purely to oversee the identification of targets?

 

If it's his job to manage the team that identify and analyse players and potential targets he may not be aware of all the ins and outs. I don't know which is the case, not claiming I have the slightest idea either, both seem possible.

 

Toby's agent will be bandying that around to all and sundry if it's true, so I wouldn't worry about that.

 

Come on guys, let Charlie Boy wallow in his own negativity.

[Beckenham Saint]

Paul Mitchell is likely not too involved in negotiation process, that's down to others, namely the club secretary. Read the article about her in the QPR programme (Ryan Bertrand on the cover, it's near the back) for more info on her role. She oversees the completion of transfers and that sort of thing.

[farawaysaint]

[alpine_saint]

I guessing because he is back-room he will make no statement to the press.

 

But it would be fascinating to see what he would give as his reasons for leaving Saints for Spurs, seeing as he is leaving a successful club for one up the proverbial sh*t creek...

 

I am guessing he would go on about the excitement of the bigger role. He's hardly going to say "for the money" or "I want to work for Daniel Levy", is he ?

[Coldridge]

 

Even more appropriate that these are Israelites heading to the Jewish promised land of Canaan, or White Hart Lane as it's known nowadays.

[Charlie Wayman]

I'm not sure if he'd have knowledge of contact details, is that really his area?

 

I'm not sure how it'd work on things like this in the football industry, is he just going to walk out from us this week and straight into Spurs set-up? Or will he have a couple of months notice which he'll be put on gardening leave for?

 

If he has a contract and most employees do then the club can insist on him honouring his contract or seek compensation for the loss of his services or they could just pay him and as many have hoped, send him on 'gardening leave'. That may sound more actionable that it is in reality. If a footballer is sent on gardening leave it would be easy to monitor whether he breached the agreement or not but with an employee like Mitchell how would you know? How would you stop him phoning or e-mailing his new boss or watching football matches or analysing video footage? You can't so it is probabe that 'gardening leave' makes no sense in his case.

[suewhistle]

 

"They're so merda I can only improve them."