david in sweden Posted 27 November, 2014 Posted 27 November, 2014 I think this is evidence of the next move in Spurs' poaching of our structure. When will it end.... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20141127-vacancy-public-catering-assistant-2108460.aspx? ouch!.......have Spuds sacked their tea lady now ?
CB Fry Posted 27 November, 2014 Posted 27 November, 2014 in other words.........Les is someone who is loyal and likes it at the club..it's the other bar stewards who are jumping ship ....... Dont worry about loyalty, completely over rated. Mitchell wasn't loyal to MK Dons when we came knocking two years ago and Tadic, Mane, Pelle weren't loyal to their clubs, they jumped to us. We march on.
croydonsaint Posted 27 November, 2014 Posted 27 November, 2014 See Mitchell is starting his magic at Spurs with a one nil victory. Now he's left us I guess Koeman will have to start playing his part in our good start to the season.
SarniaSaint Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Is there a more odious club and chairman than the YIDS????
angelman Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino insists appointment of Paul Mitchell from Southampton had nothing to do with him http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2853442/Tottenham-manager-Mauricio-Pochettino-insists-appointment-Paul-Mitchell-Southampton-him.html Bit of a strange one this?
Yuki Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Strange club. The other day Pochettino was saying at Southampton he was a Manager and at Spurs he is a Head Coach and is focus on the first team and has less broad responsibilities. Sounds like he is distances himself from the structure there.
angelman Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Something does seem amiss, but maybe it's just lost in translation.
david in sweden Posted 29 November, 2014 Posted 29 November, 2014 Strange club. The other day Pochettino was saying at Southampton he was a Manager and at Spurs he is a Head Coach and is focus on the first team and has less broad responsibilities. Sounds like he is distances himself from the structure there. perhaps his way of saying .... " I have to work with what I've got ....I didn't buy this load of s**t, I'm just supposed to make them into a team..." (Interesting that their two best performers in recent games, Kane and Mason ..are from Spuds Academy) ...yet Levy & Co. spent £100 million + on a load of dross
Saint Charlie Posted 26 August, 2015 Posted 26 August, 2015 http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/poch-poaching-diallo-from-southampton-behind-big-tottenham-transf Could be linked? Interesting anyway in how things work on the scouting side.
Sour Mash Posted 26 August, 2015 Posted 26 August, 2015 So that's manager, first team coaching staff, last season's centre back, head of recruitment and foreign scout they've pinched off us. Ridiculous.
Pamplemousse Posted 26 August, 2015 Posted 26 August, 2015 Loic Perard had a fairly average career in France as a footballer. According to his wikipedia page, he was sporting director at Laval in 2007 and joined Valenciennes in 2012 as their scout. It'll be interesting to see if in January we make some signings from the French league.
Faz Posted 26 August, 2015 Posted 26 August, 2015 Loic Perard had a fairly average career in France as a footballer. According to his wikipedia page, he was sporting director at Laval in 2007 and joined Valenciennes in 2012 as their scout. It'll be interesting to see if in January we make some signings from the French league. Who was the last player we signed from the French League? Lovren?
david in sweden Posted 27 August, 2015 Posted 27 August, 2015 Who was the last player we signed from the French League? Lovren? panic panic .....however will we manage to survive ......without buying all those promising French players?
Saint Charlie Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Bigger loss than initially people thought? Many comments that we would replace him easily at the time. Poor summer business IMO the biggest factor in poor form. Would Spurs have gone for Alderweireld without Mitchell involved? Would we have signed anyone better than we did? Hard to know.
cellone Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 He was never ours to replace but I can't remember a single person saying that it would be easy to replace him. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk
Roger Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Bigger loss than initially people thought? Many comments that we would replace him easily at the time. Poor summer business IMO the biggest factor in poor form. Would Spurs have gone for Alderweireld without Mitchell involved? Would we have signed anyone better than we did? Hard to know. Was gutted at the time and realised this and it's been proved its a huge loss.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Bigger loss than initially people thought? Many comments that we would replace him easily at the time. Poor summer business IMO the biggest factor in poor form. Would Spurs have gone for Alderweireld without Mitchell involved? Would we have signed anyone better than we did? Hard to know. Nearly as big a loss as Eva Carneiro at Chelsea IMO. Look at what happened to them when she left!!
melmacian_saint Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Bigger loss than initially people thought? Many comments that we would replace him easily at the time. We would have to know what is the situation around scouting right now. If Mane, Tadic and Pelle were the best we could find (I somehow doubt it), then something is wrong. If the manager decided to go for some signings over others, then something is also wrong, as it shows that there are people in the club that don't trust some of its staff.
Roger Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 He was never ours to replace but I can't remember a single person saying that it would be easy to replace him. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Believe me they did big time. No way Cortese wouldn't have tied the Toby deal up just not a chance.
Roger Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 We would have to know what is the situation around scouting right now. If Mane, Tadic and Pelle were the best we could find (I somehow doubt it), then something is wrong. If the manager decided to go for some signings over others, then something is also wrong, as it shows that there are people in the club that don't trust some of its staff. Those 3 were good signings it's the new ones who have been poor.
melmacian_saint Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Those 3 were good signings it's the new ones who have been poor. Good but with no potential to improve. I think it's safe to say we have seen the best of all of them.
cellone Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Believe me they did big time. No way Cortese wouldn't have tied the Toby deal up just not a chance. I think Reed tries to be to shrewd for our own good. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 I don't think he is a huge loss. He didn't take away any IP from Saints. The system he helped to establish is the one we have in place now. Without knowing what we have changed since he left or what he has done at Spurs that he may otherwise have done here it is hard to speculate. I was surprised we replaced him with someone from Huddersfield Town though. And who knows - maybe lots of talent was identified in the summer but we couldn't convince many of them to sign? I know Les Reed said we signed all our major targets but he'd say that no matter what.
cellone Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 He says a lot of things. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk
Miltonaggro Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Believe me they did big time. No way Cortese wouldn't have tied the Toby deal up just not a chance. And that's the critical difference, very small margins at this level. Cortese had many faults, but stubbornly making big decisions wasn't one of them, you are right Roger.
Saint Charlie Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 He was never ours to replace but I can't remember a single person saying that it would be easy to replace him. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk There were quite a few suggesting he was easily replaceable. Pochettino has publically mentioned him quite a few times at Spurs, henis obviously good at what he does, despite the thoughts of many when he left. Spurs casting desperately around for magic beans. Hilarious. We are laughing at you Pochettino. When will they have a proper plan themselves? What on earth is more attractive about the mess at Spurs right now? Absolutely laughable that a member of the back office staff is getting so much attention. That's fine. He is but a replaceable cog in our well oiled machine. I don't get what the big deal is about this guy leaving, I really don't. He's not our academy director he's someone who oversaw a pretty average success rate of signings. Don't get how this is news, apart from Ashton having a bee in his bonnet about the Summer. Replaceable... ******** to him. Just a cog in the machine which can be replaced given he was quite new in and came from MK Dons. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30082201 No idea why this is getting any kind of headline. We'll just replace him with someone better and continue to march on. Huge badge of honour really that they keep coming to us for their upgrades - be interesting to see where they are this time next year Don't know why people are so upset about this. One thing that has become incredibly obvious about the way our organisation is set up is that nobody is irreplaceable. Move on. His first job is to find someone to replace MP There's a reason most of us hadn't heard of Paul Mitchell until a couple of days ago. He's not that important in the grand scheme of things. No panic. He's a replaceable head of department. The team of scouts/analysts are still as good at their job as they were before their line manager left. Spurs thinking long-term? Not a chance!
cellone Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 ?? Point taken Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk
capitalsaint Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 I don't think he is a huge loss. He didn't take away any IP from Saints. The system he helped to establish is the one we have in place now. Without knowing what we have changed since he left or what he has done at Spurs that he may otherwise have done here it is hard to speculate. I was surprised we replaced him with someone from Huddersfield Town though. And who knows - maybe lots of talent was identified in the summer but we couldn't convince many of them to sign? I know Les Reed said we signed all our major targets but he'd say that no matter what. Wasn't Mitchell from MK Dons? Not exactly Real Madrid is it...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Wasn't Mitchell from MK Dons? Not exactly Real Madrid is it... Nope. But then again we were a Championship club at the time. Saints were a step up in terms of size of club but the market we were operating in was somewhat familiar to him. Ross Wilson went from spending club record fees on players from Bradford to completing deals for international players. I don't think that is comparable.
capitalsaint Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Nope. But then again we were a Championship club at the time. Saints were a step up in terms of size of club but the market we were operating in was somewhat familiar to him. Ross Wilson went from spending club record fees on players from Bradford to completing deals for international players. I don't think that is comparable. Fair enough, you've convinced me!
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Fair enough, you've convinced me! I should point out I don't really think Ross Wilson is a problem at Saints anyway. I am fairly sure he just manages the processes that Les Reed put in place for recruitment. Unless Ross Wilson is insulting potential signings when he meets them I don't think he has much of a say on who we're buying, but he is responsible for a lot of the recruitment process in terms of collating information on players and then doing the work in the transfer that Les Reed doesn't.
Saint Charlie Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 I should point out I don't really think Ross Wilson is a problem at Saints anyway. I am fairly sure he just manages the processes that Les Reed put in place for recruitment. Unless Ross Wilson is insulting potential signings when he meets them I don't think he has much of a say on who we're buying' date=' but he is responsible for a lot of the recruitment process in terms of collating information on players and then doing the work in the transfer that Les Reed doesn't.[/quote'] Whose role would it be to point out that Cedric, Clasie and Juanmi would physically struggle in PL football? If not Wilson, our Head of Player Recruitment, then who? It isn't an admin role...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Whose role would it be to point out that Cedric, Clasie and Juanmi would physically struggle in PL football? If not Wilson, our Head of Player Recruitment, then who? It isn't an admin role... He will collate stats on the players and make an appraisal. But he doesn't decide who to sign. He may provide a list of targets based on a set of criteria (both playing wise and non-playing). Les Reed and Ronald Koeman pull the trigger on that one. He'll likely make recommendations but I highly doubt we've signed a single player that Ross Wilson likes and Les Reed and Ronald Koeman are unsure about.
Saint Charlie Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 He will collate stats on the players and make an appraisal. But he doesn't decide who to sign. He may provide a list of targets based on a set of criteria (both playing wise and non-playing). Les Reed and Ronald Koeman pull the trigger on that one. He'll likely make recommendations but I highly doubt we've signed a single player that Ross Wilson likes and Les Reed and Ronald Koeman are unsure about. Probably not, no. But why track unsuitable players or suggest them in the first place? Maybe he is too much of a yes man. Who knows, I don't. But something has gone wrong. The summer window was very, very poor with only VVD being anything above distinctly average. More than anything so many of the players we sign seem unsuitable for the league. Not all players will come good, thats just the reality of the transfer market, but I'm not even sure they know what core attributes are non negotiable, especially on the physical side.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 January, 2016 Posted 9 January, 2016 Probably not, no. But why track unsuitable players or suggest them in the first place? Maybe he is too much of a yes man. Who knows, I don't. But something has gone wrong. The summer window was very, very poor with only VVD being anything above distinctly average. More than anything so many of the players we sign seem unsuitable for the league. Not all players will come good, thats just the reality of the transfer market, but I'm not even sure they know what core attributes are non negotiable, especially on the physical side. I won't disagree with you at all that our summer transfer business was **** poor.
corky morris Posted 10 January, 2016 Posted 10 January, 2016 All this ignores the fact that many other teams are using similar systems to scout players. Our black box is not unique, as much as SFC will tell you it is. We would also be foolish to think that it is not being enhanced at Spuds. They have deeper pockets & can certainly pay higher wages!
St_Tel49 Posted 10 January, 2016 Posted 10 January, 2016 I won't disagree with you at all that our summer transfer business was **** poor. Isn't the point in Guan's post that we recruited players who would suit the "Southampton Way" but we are no longer playing that way.
Chez Posted 10 January, 2016 Posted 10 January, 2016 Isn't the point in Guan's post that we recruited players who would suit the "Southampton Way" but we are no longer playing that way. What way? What the **** does: play the Southampton way mean?
Batman Posted 10 January, 2016 Posted 10 January, 2016 (edited) What way? What the **** does: play the Southampton way mean? obviously a certain style of football generally. Packaged as 'the southampton way' at this club we dont own that style but its what we call it here....or something like that quite clear really. Something has gone a little off script as you have ron saying a few things in the media when there is really no need. No doubt protecting his position etc. Probably a bit of tension behind the scenes...as expected really Edited 10 January, 2016 by Batman
Katalinic Posted 10 January, 2016 Posted 10 January, 2016 (edited) What way? What the **** does: play the Southampton way mean? Take **** corners, **** crossing, don't play a decent final ball or be clinical in front of goal. Edited 10 January, 2016 by Katalinic
Chez Posted 10 January, 2016 Posted 10 January, 2016 Take **** corners, **** crossing, don't play a decent final ball or be clinical in front of goal. Gotcha, in which case we are most definitely still playing the 'Southampton way' with RK at the helm.
david in sweden Posted 12 January, 2016 Posted 12 January, 2016 (edited) Probably not, no. But why track unsuitable players or suggest them in the first place? Maybe he is too much of a yes man. Who knows, I don't. But something has gone wrong. The summer window was very, very poor with only VVD being anything above distinctly average. ......have you noticed how difficult it is for many foreign players to adjust to the Prem.? Look at the money Man U. spent in the summer and tell me they are better as individuals . Wish I could say that any of them impressed me ...they don't. Watching Man.U this season...(a boring experience, it's true)....I'd say they've had a whole season's good luck already. Playing well in Italy, Spain ...Holland and then coming to the Prem. is like a wet night at Old Trafford compared to a game in Abu Dhabi.... Edited 12 January, 2016 by david in sweden
SuperSAINT Posted 9 August, 2016 Posted 9 August, 2016 Sam Cunningham @samcunningham Tottenham's head of recruitment Paul Mitchell has handed in his resignation at the club. Full story @MailSport.
saints1988 Posted 9 August, 2016 Posted 9 August, 2016 (edited) Sam Cunningham @samcunningham Tottenham's head of recruitment Paul Mitchell has handed in his resignation at the club. Full story @MailSport. Wow - That comes as a surprise. I would assume that may have something to do with a certain Mr Levy Edited 9 August, 2016 by saints1988
SuperSAINT Posted 9 August, 2016 Posted 9 August, 2016 Wow - That comes as a surprise. I would assume that may have something to do with a certain Mr Levy I guess it depends on the situation. Maybe he's had a better offer?
angelman Posted 9 August, 2016 Posted 9 August, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3731689/Tottenham-Hotspur-transfer-guru-Paul-Mitchell-hands-resignation-ahead-exit-north-London-side.html
SuperSAINT Posted 9 August, 2016 Posted 9 August, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3731689/Tottenham-Hotspur-transfer-guru-Paul-Mitchell-hands-resignation-ahead-exit-north-London-side.html Ah, thanks - I couldn't find the full article. It is understood that the reason for his resignation is not related to Spurs manager Mauricio Pochettino. Tottenham declined to comment. Based on those 2 sentences, I'm putting my money on Levy interference.
Pamplemousse Posted 9 August, 2016 Posted 9 August, 2016 I can't imagine Pochettino will be too happy with this.
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