Bad Wolf Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Anyone know what time it is? I hope Clyne actually gets a game this time. Bertrand and Cork could quite easily be in but I very much doubt it. Also, I'm hearing Stewart Downing has been recalled! On another note, Yoshida, Gardos, Davis and Alderweirald have been called up for their National teams. (Possibly more but those are just off the top of my head)
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Anyone know what time it is? I hope Clyne actually gets a game this time. Bertrand and Cork could quite easily be in but I very much doubt it. Also, I'm hearing Stewart Downing has been recalled! On another note, Yoshida, Gardos, Davis and Alderweirald have been called up for their National teams. (Possibly more but those are just off the top of my head) Downing has been utterly brilliant this season, so no surprise there. Be good to see Bertrand in there but he is still a few places behind.
Mowgli Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 As are Shaw, Chambers, Walcott, Ox, Lallana, Sir Rickie
Bad Wolf Posted 6 November, 2014 Author Posted 6 November, 2014 Downing has been utterly brilliant this season, so no surprise there. Be good to see Bertrand in there but he is still a few places behind. I'm not disputing that. But I was surprised but presently surprised. I see Carrick is in, assuming he's going as a CM (having played for United at CB at the weekend) then it's a joke that he's going instead of Cork
VectisSaint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 8 former or current Southampton players, 5 products of the Academy. Not a bad advert for how we do things.
Beckenham Saint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 I'm not disputing that. But I was surprised but presently surprised. I see Carrick is in, assuming he's going as a CM (having played for United at CB at the weekend) then it's a joke that he's going instead of Cork Better range of passing than Cork...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 I'm not disputing that. But I was surprised but presently surprised. I see Carrick is in, assuming he's going as a CM (having played for United at CB at the weekend) then it's a joke that he's going instead of Cork I do agree. But, if we were say Stoke/Swansea fans (for eg), how would we feel about a man that isn't even a guaranteed starter at a team like Saints getting in the squad. I love Corky, but I feel perhaps him being here and not a nailed on starter may harm his England chances. I don't want him to leave though, of course.
Saint_Ash Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Some surprising inclusions there, have Lambert, Carrick or Walcott started a game all season?
Bearsy Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Walcott call-up is mental. Make bros earn it pls!
Saint Charlie Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Carrick and Walcott havent played this season and we don't need 3 left backs - just be brave and don't pick one of them.
doddisalegend Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Clyne and Forster in. yes but Chambers is in to so I guess Clyne will get plenty of time to catch up with Rickie on the bench during the game
Bad Wolf Posted 6 November, 2014 Author Posted 6 November, 2014 I do agree. But, if we were say Stoke/Swansea fans (for eg), how would we feel about a man that isn't even a guaranteed starter at a team like Saints getting in the squad. I love Corky, but I feel perhaps him being here and not a nailed on starter may harm his England chances. I don't want him to leave though, of course. Maybe not Cork then. Maybe I am being a bit biased as a Saints fan but there are several players I'd rather see in the England squad than Carrick. My issue isn't so much that Cork isn't in, it's who IS in instead of him. Mark Noble would have been a welcome addition for me.
Baird of the land Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Was bemused by the left back thing, after initially thinking he'd dropped baines for Shaw and Gibbs. Some odd selections with Carrick, Walcott in with barely any football and Townsend/Lambert equally somehow staying in.
doddisalegend Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Downing has been utterly brilliant this season, so no surprise there. Be good to see Bertrand in there but he is still a few places behind. Surely if Roy is picking on form Ryan should be pretty much 1st choice can't think of another English LB performing as well as him right now. Shaw has hardly impressed at Man U. Of course looking at the team Roy probably isn't picking players on form.
angelman Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Why have Walcott in? Why have Lambert in? And Smalling....God help us.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Maybe not Cork then. Maybe I am being a bit biased as a Saints fan but there are several players I'd rather see in the England squad than Carrick. My issue isn't so much that Cork isn't in, it's who IS in instead of him. Mark Noble would have been a welcome addition for me. Fair points. I'm just playing devils advocate, as I said I do largely agree with you.
Doctoroncall Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Why have Walcott in? Why have Lambert in? And Smalling....God help us. Dyer has been playing well for Swansea this and last season. Makes you wonder what he has to do to get in to the squad over a guy that only just returned to fitness for his club.
Professor Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 The inclusion of the permanent sub, Rickie Lambert, suggests that England are short of decent strikers. Given his lack of match practice since last April, I'm afraid Rickie would seriously struggle, even against Slovenia but I imagine he's only there as a sub and he is getting plenty of practice at sitting on a bench. If Clyne doesn't play against Slovenia then surely he must get a game in the friendly against Scotland, otherwise what is the point of having him in the squad. He's arguably the best RB in the squad but Hodgson's 'Big Club Fixation' has to be overcome.
toofarnorth Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Dyer has been playing well for Swansea this and last season. Makes you wonder what he has to do to get in to the squad over a guy that only just returned to fitness for his club. Or ahead of Andros Townsend. I know we don't have a great pool of players, but Roy seems incapable of picking the best of what we have.
angelman Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 It's sad that we have got the same old **** that we have had for years. OK there is the inclusion of a youngster or two, but the manager is doing same old, same old. We need to do a Germany. Start from scratch. Accept that we are going to lose and not do well for a few years, but ultimately come out stronger.Even then, the young German team in South Africa that wasn't expected to do well, spanked us good and proper. And then they had Brazil. Roy has no balls. After the disaster of England in Brazil, he had a blank canvas. Even before going to Brazil he had a blank canvas and should have grasped that opportunity. All he did was take some youngish players, but stick to the same crap that we have endured for years and then have the gall to say that he thought the team did well at the WC. But no. We are stuck with some dinosaur. Maybe it is the right way to go in appointing a young manager, even if he has no club experience. Hell, I would rather Gary Neville manage the team than Hodgson. The results might not be great, but at least we would try and change to get better rather than the turgid crap that we have from a manager who is always trying to justify his **** selections. Can't remember the last time I really enjoyed an England game. 1-5 against Germany? 4-1 against Netherlands? Didn't see the game where Theo got his hat-trick.
norwaysaint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Dyer has been playing well for Swansea this and last season. Makes you wonder what he has to do to get in to the squad over a guy that only just returned to fitness for his club. Go and sit on the bench at a big club, that'd prove to Hodgson that he's England material. It's amazing that after such a lacklustre world cup, Hodgson actually has the (lack of) nerve to name a squad with so many players who haven't proved themselves this season.
S-Clarke Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Weird. kind of proves that if you are English and are at a big club, no matter if you're benched or returning from injury, you'll get selected for England. Lambert wouldn't be anywhere near if he was a sub for us for example.
Turkish Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 (edited) Maybe not Cork then. Maybe I am being a bit biased as a Saints fan but there are several players I'd rather see in the England squad than Carrick. My issue isn't so much that Cork isn't in, it's who IS in instead of him. Mark Noble would have been a welcome addition for me. I've been a big fan of carrick over the years, good soccerballist and one of the few we have who can retain the ball. But I agree, doesn't really make sense to me, another backward move from Roy. Edited 6 November, 2014 by Turkish
Wrensup Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Weird. kind of proves that if you are English and are at a big club, no matter if you're benched or returning from injury, you'll get selected for England. Lambert wouldn't be anywhere near if he was a sub for us for example. This. Has the media picked up on anything yet, or are thinking this is fine.
S-Clarke Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Dyer has been playing well for Swansea this and last season. Makes you wonder what he has to do to get in to the squad over a guy that only just returned to fitness for his club. Dyer is a good call, so is Routledge. Not amazing players, but surely better than an unfit Theo and a pretty poor Townsend?
S-Clarke Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 This. Has the media picked up on anything yet, or are thinking this is fine. Doubt they'll care much. Although, if Clyne doesn't get any game time in this round of games then I think people may start talking.......best English RB this season by an absolute country mile, no contest.
SuperSAINT Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Pleased to see Berahino get a call up - Really like him as a player. Lambert & Townsend still getting called up? Bizarre.
Convict Colony Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Squads like this make it easy to miss England games
BotleySaint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 The usual crazy selections from Roy. Picking some players who have played before or for top clubs ahead of those who are actually playing well and might mix things up a bit. At least he picked Berahino and Downing who have both excelled so far this season. But how can he justify Lambert and Walcott?
SaintSteve Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Squad as expected... Lambert is an obvious inclusion as he gives another dimension to sheer pace which we all know is OK if the guy has a football brain.
Saints foreva Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 It's sad that we have got the same old **** that we have had for years. OK there is the inclusion of a youngster or two, but the manager is doing same old, same old. We need to do a Germany. Start from scratch. Accept that we are going to lose and not do well for a few years, but ultimately come out stronger.Even then, the young German team in South Africa that wasn't expected to do well, spanked us good and proper. And then they had Brazil. Roy has no balls. After the disaster of England in Brazil, he had a blank canvas. Even before going to Brazil he had a blank canvas and should have grasped that opportunity. All he did was take some youngish players, but stick to the same crap that we have endured for years and then have the gall to say that he thought the team did well at the WC. But no. We are stuck with some dinosaur. Maybe it is the right way to go in appointing a young manager, even if he has no club experience. Hell, I would rather Gary Neville manage the team than Hodgson. The results might not be great, but at least we would try and change to get better rather than the turgid crap that we have from a manager who is always trying to justify his **** selections. Can't remember the last time I really enjoyed an England game. 1-5 against Germany? 4-1 against Netherlands? Didn't see the game where Theo got his hat-trick. Lambert's debut against Scotland?
Batman Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 one thing that I do not get. Roy never seems to really give the other keepers a chance
Batman Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Why have Walcott in? Why have Lambert in? And Smalling....God help us. smalling is utter gash. He will out of united soon enough. poor player
Jonnyboy Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Lambert's debut against Scotland? I'll never forget that. I'm still smiling when you reminded me.
Minty Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Question - given the exposure that our new facilities have had this week, especially the analyst suite, and the staff analysing all those games - do the FA have anything similar for looking at potential England players? Do they analyse all the players week in/week out, or do they just rely on scouts and staff and Woy watching games first hand? You'd think a progressive FA would look at how we do things (and other clubs to a lesser degree I'm sure) and want to introduce the best possible technology to ensure they're getting the best possible players to fit their squad and tactics etc. Or is that too much like common sense for the FA to implement? So what analysis do they do, do you think? Anyone got any insight?
VectisSaint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Walcott call-up is mental. Make bros earn it pls! Hodgson clearly following up on Arse Wenger's request on Tuesday for Walcott to get game time. Arse clearly sees England as a training ground the the Gunners.
S-Clarke Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Question - given the exposure that our new facilities have had this week, especially the analyst suite, and the staff analysing all those games - do the FA have anything similar for looking at potential England players? Do they analyse all the players week in/week out, or do they just rely on scouts and staff and Woy watching games first hand? You'd think a progressive FA would look at how we do things (and other clubs to a lesser degree I'm sure) and want to introduce the best possible technology to ensure they're getting the best possible players to fit their squad and tactics etc. Or is that too much like common sense for the FA to implement? So what analysis do they do, do you think? Anyone got any insight? I think their analysis starts and ends with Roy Hodgson and Ray Lewington going to 3pm matches in England. That's pretty much it.
Minty Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 I think their analysis starts and ends with Roy Hodgson and Ray Lewington going to 3pm matches in England. That's pretty much it. I fear you may be right, although I desperately hope not.
Convict Colony Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 23-MAN ENGLAND SQUAD BASED ON EA PLAYER PERFORMANCE INDEX Name Club Position PPI Index Fraser Forster Southampton Goalkeeper 119 Joe Hart Manchester City Goalkeeper 97 Ben Foster West Brom Goalkeeper 89 Leighton Baines Everton Full back 186 Ryan Bertrand Southampton Full back 171 Nathaniel Clyne Southampton Full back 160 Aaron Cresswell West Ham Full back 155 Gary Cahill Chelsea Centre back 149 Phil Jagielka Everton Centre back 146 Ryan Shawcross Stoke City Centre back 132 Craig Dawson West Brom Centre back 118 Jordan Henderson Liverpool Central midfield 150 Mark Noble West Ham Central midfield 144 Gareth Barry Everton Central midfield 124 Tom Huddlestone Hull City Central midfield 121 Raheem Sterling Liverpool Winger 211 Stewart Downing West Ham Winger 207 Nathan Dyer Swansea City Winger 131 Wayne Routledge Swansea City Winger 122 Saido Berahino West Brom Striker 235 Charlie Austin QPR Striker 156 Fraizer Campbell Crystal Palace Striker 137 Wayne Rooney Manchester United Striker 127
Saint_Ash Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Interesting. So based on that, our best 11 would be ----------------------Forster---------------------- Clyne--------Cahill--------Jagielka---------Baines Downing-----Henderson----Noble--------Sterling --------Berahino------------Austin----------------- Only two players not in the England squad there. Sod it, let's give it a go!
Convict Colony Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 At least we would promote consistent performance and encourage english players with country aspirations to look to play for a team regularly rather than get paid loads to sit on a bench. You don't play means you can't get in the squad.
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Why have Walcott in? Why have Lambert in? And Smalling....God help us. Roy the dullard hodgson. The guy and the whole way Engerrrrland go about things is ****ing ludicrous
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Go and sit on the bench at a big club, that'd prove to Hodgson that he's England material. It's amazing that after such a lacklustre world cup, Hodgson actually has the (lack of) nerve to name a squad with so many players who haven't proved themselves this season. The problem is not the players or the squad it's that Hodgson is way past his sell-by date as for Lewington - well words fail me. If all else fails shout louder at the players seems to be our world class strategy.
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 The problem is not the players or the squad it's that Hodgson is way past his sell-by date as for Lewington - well words fail me. If all else fails shout louder at the players seems to be our world class strategy. ? ?
Leicestersaint Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Better range of passing than Cork... I really do not agree.
davefizzy14 Posted 6 November, 2014 Posted 6 November, 2014 Good to have both called up again. Bertrand and Cork should have been called up too.
saintbenny Posted 7 November, 2014 Posted 7 November, 2014 I love rickie as much as any saints fan but I just dont get the reasons why he makes the squad. It must all be down now to the fact he plays for liverpool. Based on his performances this season, if he had been a saints player no way would he have made the squad.
OldNick Posted 7 November, 2014 Posted 7 November, 2014 Downing may look good on a few of MOTD but he is another player who nearly was. To put him in the squad now is a sad indictment of our game
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